Rutgers and Maryland - playing last season in old conferences before joining the toughest league in the nation

Maryland went 8-5 OOC, and are now 2-1 in the ACC.

Best win is probably against Georgia Tech



Rutgers went 6-7 OOC, and are now 1-1 in the AAC.
No notable wins to speak of

Hope that the Terps can continue to improve now that Seth Allen is back. Really missed him in the OOC portion but that is just life. Hoping for some good play but I think the Terps are more likely to be in the NIT than the big boy tourney.

Rutgers fans everywhere apologize in advance for our school's negative impact to everyone's SOS.

(01-08-2014 01:38 AM)chrisRU Wrote:  Rutgers fans everywhere apologize in advance for our school's negative impact to everyone's SOS.

I would think Rutgers should have a great program, given the location - why the mediocrity?

(01-08-2014 01:38 AM)chrisRU Wrote:  Rutgers fans everywhere apologize in advance for our school's negative impact to everyone's SOS.

Maybe it will improve your basketball being in the Big Ten?

Join us at the Big Ten forum http://big10.csnbbs.com/

The Terps don't have the right coach to get them back to being a consistent tournament team. Unfortunately, Turge has like six more years on his contract.

(01-08-2014 04:29 PM)Hitch Wrote:  The Terps don't have the right coach to get them back to being a consistent tournament team. Unfortunately, Turge has like six more years on his contract.

I hate to say it but I think you might be right. I'm not giving up yet but our mantra recently seems to be "just wait until next year!" (we do have a nice recruiting class coming in though).

(01-08-2014 02:15 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 01:38 AM)chrisRU Wrote:  Rutgers fans everywhere apologize in advance for our school's negative impact to everyone's SOS.

I would think Rutgers should have a great program, given the location - why the mediocrity?

Unfortunately it dates back to 1979. We were building a consistent winner back just 3 years off from a Final Four appearance and a 31-2 record. (I think I have the win total right.) Ironically two of the other Final Four teams were Michigan and Indiana who 35 years later would be conference-mates. In 1979 when the Big East was being formed Rutgers was initially invited over Seton Hall but Rutgers remained loyal to Penn State, Temple, WVU and the newly formed Eastern 8 (today's Atlantic 10). Some feel and I am among them that not joining the Big East and the juggernaut it quickly became started slowly drying up recruiting and coaching talent for us in the early 80s culminating in the general horrific to middling we've been since the early 90s. Then in mid 90s we joined the then toughest conference in the country which only got tougher in 2005. It became almost impossible to rise out of the bottom third after that. A few bright spots primarily 2003-2004, where we made the NIT final and once again got derailed by Michigan, made you think we were about to turn the corner. Hopefully as Eddie Jordan installs his system and his players we'll be back to the heights we were when he was a player here.

(01-08-2014 02:53 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 01:38 AM)chrisRU Wrote:  Rutgers fans everywhere apologize in advance for our school's negative impact to everyone's SOS.

Maybe it will improve your basketball being in the Big Ten?

Join us at the Big Ten forum http://big10.csnbbs.com/

Maybe the increased cashflow might eventually help. Keep in mind, we are leaving the former "greatest basketball conference ever" in the former Big East, so if that couldn't help us, then joining the B1G won't either. Bottom line is until our school's leadership truly commits to the athletic program instead of half-assing it, it'll be difficult to get over the hump. I mean hell, we can't even get them to fire Kyle Flood and hire a legit coach. Hopefully Jordan can turn it around. We've gotten some solid recruits over the years but not enough to make us win.

(01-08-2014 09:21 PM)AntiG Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 02:53 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 01:38 AM)chrisRU Wrote:  Rutgers fans everywhere apologize in advance for our school's negative impact to everyone's SOS.

Maybe it will improve your basketball being in the Big Ten?

Join us at the Big Ten forum http://big10.csnbbs.com/

Maybe the increased cashflow might eventually help. Keep in mind, we are leaving the former "greatest basketball conference ever" in the former Big East, so if that couldn't help us, then joining the B1G won't either. Bottom line is until our school's leadership truly commits to the athletic program instead of half-assing it, it'll be difficult to get over the hump. I mean hell, we can't even get them to fire Kyle Flood and hire a legit coach. Hopefully Jordan can turn it around. We've gotten some solid recruits over the years but not enough to make us win.

But you won't be facing local competition in the Big Ten, you'll be the centerpiece of the area for the conference and not losing to those teams you're battling in recruiting.

(01-09-2014 12:22 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 09:21 PM)AntiG Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 02:53 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 01:38 AM)chrisRU Wrote:  Rutgers fans everywhere apologize in advance for our school's negative impact to everyone's SOS.

Maybe it will improve your basketball being in the Big Ten?

Join us at the Big Ten forum http://big10.csnbbs.com/

Maybe the increased cashflow might eventually help. Keep in mind, we are leaving the former "greatest basketball conference ever" in the former Big East, so if that couldn't help us, then joining the B1G won't either. Bottom line is until our school's leadership truly commits to the athletic program instead of half-assing it, it'll be difficult to get over the hump. I mean hell, we can't even get them to fire Kyle Flood and hire a legit coach. Hopefully Jordan can turn it around. We've gotten some solid recruits over the years but not enough to make us win.

But you won't be facing local competition in the Big Ten, you'll be the centerpiece of the area for the conference and not losing to those teams you're battling in recruiting.

Yes, but you have to also keep in mind that in NYC and the surrounding area, when it comes to basketball its all about the Big East (new or old) and the ACC (now that Syracuse is there). The B1G name and separation from the rest of the old Big East group will help, but the conference isn't all that respected over here for basketball the way that it is in football, despite the fact that its a fantastic basketball conference. In the end, the primary issue is with our own administration.

Quick update…Maryland now sits at 11-7 overall and 3-2 in the ACC. After two disappointing road losses, each by 20 or more, the Terps notched another one in the win column. They knocked off Notre Dame in College Park yesterday 74-66. Had a sloppy first half but really came out strong in the second half. Coach Turgeon had them come out and just have fun in the 2nd half and it worked. Next up is NC State in Raleigh. As a little aside, it is rather amusing how somehow we play UNC, Duke and NC State at their place while only Wake comes to ours…oh well, that is just the way the schedule work out I guess.

(01-13-2014 04:14 PM)AntiG Wrote:  Yes, but you have to also keep in mind that in NYC and the surrounding area, when it comes to basketball its all about the Big East (new or old) and the ACC (now that Syracuse is there). The B1G name and separation from the rest of the old Big East group will help, but the conference isn't all that respected over here for basketball the way that it is in football, despite the fact that its a fantastic basketball conference. In the end, the primary issue is with our own administration.

IMO, I think the NBE will actually help Rutgers as I don't think the C7 schools will be able to draw the same amount talent as they did previously. All the Knights are going against at this point are 'Nova and 'Cuse. I think Eddie Jordan should be able to out recruit those two schools.

Quick update on Rutgers:
Now 2-2 in the American and 8-9 overall. They look better and better as they learn Eddie Jordan's system.

Now 2-4 in the American and 8-11 overall. Last two games were not good. Houston which has a very good team this year just crushed us. SMU was tighter but their superior talent won out. A horrible non-call combined with a very stupid technical late in the game kept this from being a closer game. Bottom Line: Until Eddie Jordan gets more of his own guys in there its going to be a work in progress that's up and down and more down.

(01-16-2014 04:39 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 04:14 PM)AntiG Wrote:  Yes, but you have to also keep in mind that in NYC and the surrounding area, when it comes to basketball its all about the Big East (new or old) and the ACC (now that Syracuse is there). The B1G name and separation from the rest of the old Big East group will help, but the conference isn't all that respected over here for basketball the way that it is in football, despite the fact that its a fantastic basketball conference. In the end, the primary issue is with our own administration.

IMO, I think the NBE will actually help Rutgers as I don't think the C7 schools will be able to draw the same amount talent as they did previously. All the Knights are going against at this point are 'Nova and 'Cuse. I think Eddie Jordan should be able to out recruit those two schools.

Well, the move has only helped Seton Hall. They have a top 10 recruiting class for next season.

I think Rutgers will be fine. They just have made bad coaching hired since moving from the A-10. Jordan should be solid but I can't see him out recruiting Boeheim or Jay Wright consistently. Luckily, The NY metro area is so deep that doesn't need to happen for Rutgers to be competitive.

(01-25-2014 09:05 PM)SecureDaBall Wrote:  

(01-16-2014 04:39 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 04:14 PM)AntiG Wrote:  Yes, but you have to also keep in mind that in NYC and the surrounding area, when it comes to basketball its all about the Big East (new or old) and the ACC (now that Syracuse is there). The B1G name and separation from the rest of the old Big East group will help, but the conference isn't all that respected over here for basketball the way that it is in football, despite the fact that its a fantastic basketball conference. In the end, the primary issue is with our own administration.

IMO, I think the NBE will actually help Rutgers as I don't think the C7 schools will be able to draw the same amount talent as they did previously. All the Knights are going against at this point are 'Nova and 'Cuse. I think Eddie Jordan should be able to out recruit those two schools.

Well, the move has only helped Seton Hall. They have a top 10 recruiting class for next season.

I think Rutgers will be fine. They just have made bad coaching hired since moving from the A-10. Jordan should be solid but I can't see him out recruiting Boeheim or Jay Wright consistently. Luckily, The NY metro area is so deep that doesn't need to happen for Rutgers to be competitive.

I don't see Eddie Jordan out recruiting Boeheim but I could see him out recruit Jay Wright in a couple years. We finally hired a good coach who wants to be here (this is home for him) who is installing his system and getting his players. Its going to be a rough few years, but I have faith that Fast Eddie will right the ship.

Football on the other hand...

(01-27-2014 05:40 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(01-25-2014 09:05 PM)SecureDaBall Wrote:  

(01-16-2014 04:39 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 04:14 PM)AntiG Wrote:  Yes, but you have to also keep in mind that in NYC and the surrounding area, when it comes to basketball its all about the Big East (new or old) and the ACC (now that Syracuse is there). The B1G name and separation from the rest of the old Big East group will help, but the conference isn't all that respected over here for basketball the way that it is in football, despite the fact that its a fantastic basketball conference. In the end, the primary issue is with our own administration.

IMO, I think the NBE will actually help Rutgers as I don't think the C7 schools will be able to draw the same amount talent as they did previously. All the Knights are going against at this point are 'Nova and 'Cuse. I think Eddie Jordan should be able to out recruit those two schools.

Well, the move has only helped Seton Hall. They have a top 10 recruiting class for next season.

I think Rutgers will be fine. They just have made bad coaching hired since moving from the A-10. Jordan should be solid but I can't see him out recruiting Boeheim or Jay Wright consistently. Luckily, The NY metro area is so deep that doesn't need to happen for Rutgers to be competitive.

I don't see Eddie Jordan out recruiting Boeheim but I could see him out recruit Jay Wright in a couple years. We finally hired a good coach who wants to be here (this is home for him) who is installing his system and getting his players. Its going to be a rough few years, but I have faith that Fast Eddie will right the ship.

Football on the other hand...

Is his system the Princeton offense? I recall him being an assistant at Sacramento when Pete Carrill was there too.

(01-27-2014 11:36 PM)SecureDaBall Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 05:40 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(01-25-2014 09:05 PM)SecureDaBall Wrote:  

(01-16-2014 04:39 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 04:14 PM)AntiG Wrote:  Yes, but you have to also keep in mind that in NYC and the surrounding area, when it comes to basketball its all about the Big East (new or old) and the ACC (now that Syracuse is there). The B1G name and separation from the rest of the old Big East group will help, but the conference isn't all that respected over here for basketball the way that it is in football, despite the fact that its a fantastic basketball conference. In the end, the primary issue is with our own administration.

IMO, I think the NBE will actually help Rutgers as I don't think the C7 schools will be able to draw the same amount talent as they did previously. All the Knights are going against at this point are 'Nova and 'Cuse. I think Eddie Jordan should be able to out recruit those two schools.

Well, the move has only helped Seton Hall. They have a top 10 recruiting class for next season.

I think Rutgers will be fine. They just have made bad coaching hired since moving from the A-10. Jordan should be solid but I can't see him out recruiting Boeheim or Jay Wright consistently. Luckily, The NY metro area is so deep that doesn't need to happen for Rutgers to be competitive.

I don't see Eddie Jordan out recruiting Boeheim but I could see him out recruit Jay Wright in a couple years. We finally hired a good coach who wants to be here (this is home for him) who is installing his system and getting his players. Its going to be a rough few years, but I have faith that Fast Eddie will right the ship.

Football on the other hand...

Is his system the Princeton offense? I recall him being an assistant at Sacramento when Pete Carrill was there too.

He runs kind of a custom system that take elements from the Princeton offense but fully installed is much more uptempo.

Don't know about other Terps fans but I think the Terps season is pretty much done. I was looking ahead in the schedule, we have 10 games left in the conference schedule. We are currently 12-9 and 4-4 in the ACC. With the games we have left, I see maybe 3 wins left, 4 if we are feeling good and pull off an upset. Even then, I think we only have 1 "gimmie" game, when we host VT. The only way we make the NCAA's is if we win the ACC Tourney. At this point I'm not sure about a NIT bid. Hurray pessimism!