(01-31-2014 07:47 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(01-30-2014 02:15 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  So in a nutshell he's saying the Sun Belt isn't that best conference and he's not happy to be in it. I wonder how the other schools and commissioner took to that remark?

The Commissioner doesn't think much about it. He knows where the sunbelt stands in the pecking order. Just like everyone in the AAC would like to move up to p5, and almost everyone in CUSA would take and invite to AAC, everyone in Belt would move to CUSA.

That is an interesting thought. I've wondered how many C-USA fans would jump at an invitation to the AAC? I know the AAC has an edge in media dollars and conference strength, but for me as a North Texas fan, playing in a conference against known regional rivals is more important. Being in the same division as Rice, UTEP, LA Tech, Southern Miss, and even UTSA, although they are too new to be a prominent program, they are regional, competitive, and improving. The AAC is just too spread out. I'm not saying most or even many North Texas fans feel like I do, but I really have no interest in the AAC. I believe the new line-up in C-USA can grow stronger and challenge the AAC and MWC for the top spot in the G5. Just my opinion.

(01-31-2014 09:07 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 07:47 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(01-30-2014 02:15 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  So in a nutshell he's saying the Sun Belt isn't that best conference and he's not happy to be in it. I wonder how the other schools and commissioner took to that remark?

The Commissioner doesn't think much about it. He knows where the sunbelt stands in the pecking order. Just like everyone in the AAC would like to move up to p5, and almost everyone in CUSA would take and invite to AAC, everyone in Belt would move to CUSA.

That is an interesting thought. I've wondered how many C-USA fans would jump at an invitation to the AAC? I know the AAC has an edge in media dollars and conference strength, but for me as a North Texas fan, playing in a conference against known regional rivals is more important. Being in the same division as Rice, UTEP, LA Tech, Southern Miss, and even UTSA, although they are too new to be a prominent program, they are regional, competitive, and improving. The AAC is just too spread out. I'm not saying most or even many North Texas fans feel like I do, but I really have no interest in the AAC. I believe the new line-up in C-USA can grow stronger and challenge the AAC and MWC for the top spot in the G5. Just my opinion.

I agree that the west division is great for regional rivalries but I would imagine that your admin would be happy to be in AAC playing SMU and Houston too. Some additional income, more exposure, those are good things that would attract most C-USA schools. Not nearly the difference that was once there between C-USA and the Big East though. If C-USA can stay together for a number of years, build these rivalries, become better in the major sports, grow strong teams in Charlotte and ODU, this can be a very good conference. But it will take some patience and schools generally don't exhibit patience when presented with a choice of waiting it out or moving up, even if it's not a huge leap up.

The East is also set up for regional rivalries as well, almost all of the drives between WKU, MT, Marshall, ODU, and Charlotte are under 7 hours. I also think that if this conference is given time, it can emerge into a force. Rivalries are what make college football special, and while these schools (with the exception of WK and MT) aren't fierce rivals yet....in a very short time they will be :).

This is one area that I think the new CUSA got it right....creating a regional conference.

I would assume every team in the conference would jump to the AAC the second the offer was put on the table.

(01-31-2014 10:58 AM)chidave Wrote:  The East is also set up for regional rivalries as well, almost all of the drives between WKU, MT, Marshall, ODU, and Charlotte are under 7 hours. I also think that if this conference is given time, it can emerge into a force. Rivalries are what make college football special, and while these schools (with the exception of WK and MT) aren't fierce rivals yet....in a very short time they will be :).

This is one area that I think the new CUSA got it right....creating a regional conference.

I agree with those words. At the end of the day we are all (GO5) competing for the same spot. The only difference I can see with the American vs CUSA is a stronger basketball conference and slightly better TV money that would likely be offset anyway with all the travelign involved. I like what CUSA has become. Hopefully this conferene will be flourish into something better than it was before.

(01-31-2014 11:07 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  I would assume every team in the conference would jump to the AAC the second the offer was put on the table.

I disagree with that.

(01-31-2014 11:07 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  I would assume every team in the conference would jump to the AAC the second the offer was put on the table.

Yes, the pecking order remains. P5>AAC/MWC>CUSA/MAC>SBC.

In the distant past, C-USA could get teams out of the MAC but not the old MAC schools.

Would be interesting to see if MAC/C-USA could take from each other but I don't know if either wants one from the other right now. More likely we might see a tug of war between the 2 over someone down the road.

I don't see any reason for C-USA to add ULL right now. . . . But I think that they would have been just as good an addition to C-USA as any of the other teams that were recently added, and better than most. And to a slightly lesser extent, I would say the same about Arkansas State.

(01-30-2014 03:43 PM)Eagleholic Wrote:  I expect Georgia State to be the next team added. Remember, this is all about markets, and they bring Atlanta, as well as getting the conference into Georgia.

Have you seen the attendance numbers at their games? Pitiful. Just like their football team.

(01-31-2014 11:54 AM)El Runner Wrote:  

(01-30-2014 03:43 PM)Eagleholic Wrote:  I expect Georgia State to be the next team added. Remember, this is all about markets, and they bring Atlanta, as well as getting the conference into Georgia.

Have you seen the attendance numbers at their games? Pitiful. Just like their football team.

That can & will be corrected as they grow.Speaking about attendance.........how's your basketball ?

(01-31-2014 09:07 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 07:47 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  The Commissioner doesn't think much about it. He knows where the sunbelt stands in the pecking order. Just like everyone in the AAC would like to move up to p5, and almost everyone in CUSA would take and invite to AAC, everyone in Belt would move to CUSA.

That is an interesting thought. I've wondered how many C-USA fans would jump at an invitation to the AAC? I know the AAC has an edge in media dollars and conference strength, but for me as a North Texas fan, playing in a conference against known regional rivals is more important. Being in the same division as Rice, UTEP, LA Tech, Southern Miss, and even UTSA, although they are too new to be a prominent program, they are regional, competitive, and improving. The AAC is just too spread out. I'm not saying most or even many North Texas fans feel like I do, but I really have no interest in the AAC. I believe the new line-up in C-USA can grow stronger and challenge the AAC and MWC for the top spot in the G5. Just my opinion.

At this moment, I would agree for Rice. Still too many moving parts to make an investment in the AAC at this moment. Rice (plus UTEP, USM, UAB and Marshall) have a floor on our television revenues guaranteed by contract from Houston, SMU, Memphis, UCF, et al. We can work feverishly to improve our product within C-USA while watching developments in the player stipends and media markets.

Personally, I think it works out better in the Big Picture when Houston and Rice do not share the same G5 conference, provided we are out of conference opponents. I also think the traveling fan bases of North Texas, Louisiana Tech, and UTSA are a big step up from what Tulsa, Tulane and SMU brought to Rice. I can say that because I know it is true that larger, public Houston also travels much better than small, private Rice.

This is all out the window if the AAC looks to gain P5 status, or the MWC comes calling for a package of UTEP, UTSA, Rice and North Texas.

(01-31-2014 12:19 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 11:54 AM)El Runner Wrote:  

(01-30-2014 03:43 PM)Eagleholic Wrote:  I expect Georgia State to be the next team added. Remember, this is all about markets, and they bring Atlanta, as well as getting the conference into Georgia.

Have you seen the attendance numbers at their games? Pitiful. Just like their football team.

That can & will be corrected as they grow.Speaking about attendance.........how's your basketball ?

It sucks. But we all know what brings in the cash and media and it ain't basketball. You still averaging 19k? Maybe you should be the next commish as you pretend to know what's on the horizon for the conference.

(01-31-2014 01:30 PM)El Runner Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 12:19 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 11:54 AM)El Runner Wrote:  

(01-30-2014 03:43 PM)Eagleholic Wrote:  I expect Georgia State to be the next team added. Remember, this is all about markets, and they bring Atlanta, as well as getting the conference into Georgia.

Have you seen the attendance numbers at their games? Pitiful. Just like their football team.

That can & will be corrected as they grow.Speaking about attendance.........how's your basketball ?

It sucks. But we all know what brings in the cash and media and it ain't basketball. You still averaging 19k? Maybe you should be the next commish as you pretend to know what's on the horizon for the conference.

You'd be surprised what good basketball can do for a conference. Do a little research.

(01-31-2014 01:35 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 01:30 PM)El Runner Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 12:19 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 11:54 AM)El Runner Wrote:  

(01-30-2014 03:43 PM)Eagleholic Wrote:  I expect Georgia State to be the next team added. Remember, this is all about markets, and they bring Atlanta, as well as getting the conference into Georgia.

Have you seen the attendance numbers at their games? Pitiful. Just like their football team.

That can & will be corrected as they grow.Speaking about attendance.........how's your basketball ?

It sucks. But we all know what brings in the cash and media and it ain't basketball. You still averaging 19k? Maybe you should be the next commish as you pretend to know what's on the horizon for the conference.

You'd be surprised what good basketball can do for a conference. Do a little research.

Do you have any idea how much college football brings in terms of revenue? Basketball always is an afterthought unless your school only plays basketball or is a member of of an elite basketball conference. FYI GSU is neither.

(01-31-2014 02:36 PM)El Runner Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 01:35 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 01:30 PM)El Runner Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 12:19 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 11:54 AM)El Runner Wrote:  Have you seen the attendance numbers at their games? Pitiful. Just like their football team.

That can & will be corrected as they grow.Speaking about attendance.........how's your basketball ?

It sucks. But we all know what brings in the cash and media and it ain't basketball. You still averaging 19k? Maybe you should be the next commish as you pretend to know what's on the horizon for the conference.

You'd be surprised what good basketball can do for a conference. Do a little research.

Do you have any idea how much college football brings in terms of revenue? Basketball always is an afterthought unless your school only plays basketball or is a member of of an elite basketball conference. FYI GSU is neither.

Not totally true. The money a conference can receive thru the ncaa tournament credits is substantial. That's one very good reason to push the entire league to schedule right and to develop their basketball programs. One appearance in the big dance earns approx 2 million for the conference to be divided over 6 years. This is why we want multiple teams in the ncaa tournament and a few wins as well. 3 teams in with 1 win each = 6 appearances or 12 million dollars. Do that or something close to it year in and year out and you are talking about substantial dollars for the entire conference. More than the bowl games we are all hoping for, with the exception of the access bowl.

(01-31-2014 02:36 PM)El Runner Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 01:35 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 01:30 PM)El Runner Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 12:19 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 11:54 AM)El Runner Wrote:  Have you seen the attendance numbers at their games? Pitiful. Just like their football team.

That can & will be corrected as they grow.Speaking about attendance.........how's your basketball ?

It sucks. But we all know what brings in the cash and media and it ain't basketball. You still averaging 19k? Maybe you should be the next commish as you pretend to know what's on the horizon for the conference.

You'd be surprised what good basketball can do for a conference. Do a little research.

Do you have any idea how much college football brings in terms of revenue? Basketball always is an afterthought unless your school only plays basketball or is a member of of an elite basketball conference. FYI GSU is neither.

In the G5 world, football brings in revenue from attendance. Basketball brings in revenue from the NCAA tournament.

(01-31-2014 02:58 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 02:36 PM)El Runner Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 01:35 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 01:30 PM)El Runner Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 12:19 PM)MG61 Wrote:  That can & will be corrected as they grow.Speaking about attendance.........how's your basketball ?

It sucks. But we all know what brings in the cash and media and it ain't basketball. You still averaging 19k? Maybe you should be the next commish as you pretend to know what's on the horizon for the conference.

You'd be surprised what good basketball can do for a conference. Do a little research.

Do you have any idea how much college football brings in terms of revenue? Basketball always is an afterthought unless your school only plays basketball or is a member of of an elite basketball conference. FYI GSU is neither.

In the G5 world, football brings in revenue from attendance. Basketball brings in revenue from the NCAA tournament.

Attendance is only one component of a revenue stream. TV contracts alone bring in more than attendance if its a good contract like the P5's have.

(01-31-2014 03:48 PM)El Runner Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 02:58 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 02:36 PM)El Runner Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 01:35 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 01:30 PM)El Runner Wrote:  It sucks. But we all know what brings in the cash and media and it ain't basketball. You still averaging 19k? Maybe you should be the next commish as you pretend to know what's on the horizon for the conference.

You'd be surprised what good basketball can do for a conference. Do a little research.

Do you have any idea how much college football brings in terms of revenue? Basketball always is an afterthought unless your school only plays basketball or is a member of of an elite basketball conference. FYI GSU is neither.

In the G5 world, football brings in revenue from attendance. Basketball brings in revenue from the NCAA tournament.

Attendance is only one component of a revenue stream. TV contracts alone bring in more than attendance if its a good contract like the P5's have.

Thus the reason I said G5 world. G5 conferences don't bring in the TV revenue like P5 conferences do.

I once heard it described like this.. Football pays the mortgage, basketball pays the electric bill.

(01-31-2014 02:58 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 02:36 PM)El Runner Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 01:35 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 01:30 PM)El Runner Wrote:  

(01-31-2014 12:19 PM)MG61 Wrote:  That can & will be corrected as they grow.Speaking about attendance.........how's your basketball ?

It sucks. But we all know what brings in the cash and media and it ain't basketball. You still averaging 19k? Maybe you should be the next commish as you pretend to know what's on the horizon for the conference.

You'd be surprised what good basketball can do for a conference. Do a little research.

Do you have any idea how much college football brings in terms of revenue? Basketball always is an afterthought unless your school only plays basketball or is a member of of an elite basketball conference. FYI GSU is neither.

In the G5 world, football brings in revenue from attendance. Basketball brings in revenue from the NCAA tournament.

BINGO......... CUSA has realized excellent of income from the tourney. Hoping that continues without Memphis.