(02-21-2014 08:15 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 08:14 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 08:11 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  Boy, these conservatives are really something, aren't they? They're all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you're born, you're on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don't want to know about you. They don't want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you're preborn, you're fine; if you're preschool, you're ******. Conservatives don't give a **** about you until you reach military age. Then they think you're just fine. Just what they've been looking for. Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. Pro-life... pro-life... These people aren't pro-life, they're killing doctors! What kind of pro-life is that? What, they'll do anything they can to save a fetus but if it grows up to be a doctor they just might have to kill it? They're not pro-life. You know what they are? They're anti-woman. Simple as it gets, anti-woman. They don't like them. They don't like women. They believe a woman's primary role is to function as a brood mare for the state.

You're a loon. You're in favor of killing babies under the code words "women's health" but once they're born you want cradle to grave Obamacare so they stay healthy and live long. And either way, the taxpayers are picking up most of the tab.

Loon.

I don't support killing babies. A fetus is not a human being.

You are becoming too predictable.

(02-21-2014 08:21 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 08:15 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 08:14 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 08:11 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  Boy, these conservatives are really something, aren't they? They're all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you're born, you're on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don't want to know about you. They don't want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you're preborn, you're fine; if you're preschool, you're ******. Conservatives don't give a **** about you until you reach military age. Then they think you're just fine. Just what they've been looking for. Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. Pro-life... pro-life... These people aren't pro-life, they're killing doctors! What kind of pro-life is that? What, they'll do anything they can to save a fetus but if it grows up to be a doctor they just might have to kill it? They're not pro-life. You know what they are? They're anti-woman. Simple as it gets, anti-woman. They don't like them. They don't like women. They believe a woman's primary role is to function as a brood mare for the state.

You're a loon. You're in favor of killing babies under the code words "women's health" but once they're born you want cradle to grave Obamacare so they stay healthy and live long. And either way, the taxpayers are picking up most of the tab.

Loon.

I don't support killing babies. A fetus is not a human being.

You are becoming too predictable.

So you believe a fetus is a human being?

"I want people to be held accountable for their actions." "I want a working mother and father raising their children together."

Those are what everyone should want, but those are just thoughts with no actions, and unfortunately nothing more than talking points.

(02-21-2014 08:23 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  "I want people to be held accountable for their actions." "I want a working mother and father raising their children together."

Those are what everyone should want, but those are just thoughts with no actions, and unfortunately nothing more than talking points.

So you condone killing unborn babies because the world isn't perfect?

(02-21-2014 08:24 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 08:23 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  "I want people to be held accountable for their actions." "I want a working mother and father raising their children together."

Those are what everyone should want, but those are just thoughts with no actions, and unfortunately nothing more than talking points.

So you condone killing unborn babies because the world isn't perfect?

Question: If fetuses are "babies", why do we not have funerals for miscarried fetuses? Why do parents say "We have 2 children and 1 expecting" instead of "We have 3 children"?

(02-21-2014 08:25 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 08:24 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 08:23 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  "I want people to be held accountable for their actions." "I want a working mother and father raising their children together."

Those are what everyone should want, but those are just thoughts with no actions, and unfortunately nothing more than talking points.

So you condone killing unborn babies because the world isn't perfect?

Question: If fetuses are "babies", why do we not have funerals for miscarried fetuses? Why do parents say "We have 2 children and 1 expecting" instead of "We have 3 children"?

You fell off the turnip truck, didn't you?

(02-21-2014 06:16 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  So I assume all of you fully support state funded contraceptives in order to prevent as many unwanted pregnancies as possible?

I wouldn't be totally against it but, let's be real here, contraceptives are f'n cheap--any town in America that has a doctor's office has multiple places that give condoms away for free and pills for real cheap. I can think of 7 places off the top of my head that give them away in my town of 16,000.

We still have the highest teen birth rate in NC.

(02-21-2014 08:30 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 08:25 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 08:24 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 08:23 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  "I want people to be held accountable for their actions." "I want a working mother and father raising their children together."

Those are what everyone should want, but those are just thoughts with no actions, and unfortunately nothing more than talking points.

So you condone killing unborn babies because the world isn't perfect?

Question: If fetuses are "babies", why do we not have funerals for miscarried fetuses? Why do parents say "We have 2 children and 1 expecting" instead of "We have 3 children"?

You fell off the turnip truck, didn't you?

Waiting on an answer.

(02-21-2014 08:31 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 08:30 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 08:25 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 08:24 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 08:23 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  "I want people to be held accountable for their actions." "I want a working mother and father raising their children together."

Those are what everyone should want, but those are just thoughts with no actions, and unfortunately nothing more than talking points.

So you condone killing unborn babies because the world isn't perfect?

Question: If fetuses are "babies", why do we not have funerals for miscarried fetuses? Why do parents say "We have 2 children and 1 expecting" instead of "We have 3 children"?

You fell off the turnip truck, didn't you?

Waiting on an answer.

Keep waiting. I don't entertain stupidity.

(02-21-2014 08:24 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 08:23 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  "I want people to be held accountable for their actions." "I want a working mother and father raising their children together."

Those are what everyone should want, but those are just thoughts with no actions, and unfortunately nothing more than talking points.

So you condone killing unborn babies because the world isn't perfect?

Where did you get that? I'm pro-life and I don't disagree with the premise of those I quoted.

(02-21-2014 08:33 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 08:24 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 08:23 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  "I want people to be held accountable for their actions." "I want a working mother and father raising their children together."

Those are what everyone should want, but those are just thoughts with no actions, and unfortunately nothing more than talking points.

So you condone killing unborn babies because the world isn't perfect?

Where did you get that? I'm pro-life and I don't disagree with their premise.

Just checking. You seemed to be arguing with him as if there wasn't a choice.

(02-21-2014 08:32 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 08:31 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 08:30 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 08:25 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 08:24 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  So you condone killing unborn babies because the world isn't perfect?

Question: If fetuses are "babies", why do we not have funerals for miscarried fetuses? Why do parents say "We have 2 children and 1 expecting" instead of "We have 3 children"?

You fell off the turnip truck, didn't you?

Waiting on an answer.

Keep waiting. I don't entertain stupidity.

I thought you didn't have an answer.

Glad to know my suspicions were confirmed.

(02-21-2014 08:35 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 08:32 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 08:31 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 08:30 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 08:25 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  Question: If fetuses are "babies", why do we not have funerals for miscarried fetuses? Why do parents say "We have 2 children and 1 expecting" instead of "We have 3 children"?

You fell off the turnip truck, didn't you?

Waiting on an answer.

Keep waiting. I don't entertain stupidity.

I thought you didn't have an answer.

Glad to know my suspicions were confirmed.

Still waiting on a valid question.

(02-21-2014 08:38 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 08:35 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 08:32 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 08:31 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 08:30 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  You fell off the turnip truck, didn't you?

Waiting on an answer.

Keep waiting. I don't entertain stupidity.

I thought you didn't have an answer.

Glad to know my suspicions were confirmed.

Still waiting on a valid question.

Run away, kiddo. I knew you wouldn't have an answer.

(02-21-2014 07:03 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 06:51 PM)blah Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 06:44 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 06:40 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 06:16 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  So I assume all of you fully support state funded contraceptives in order to prevent as many unwanted pregnancies as possible?

I want people to take care of themselves and be responsible when there are consequences.

So you'd rather support genocide than a pragmatic response?

Posted before I saw blunderbuss' response, but your argument is faulty.

Wanting people to control their animal urges is a 3rd option. I agree that it is an option few liberals understand or support.

That's like saying it shouldn't be illegal to drink and drive because responsible people don't do it. People don't always make responsible decisions, and because of that, we as a society can enact legislation to limit the damage those irresponsible people do to third parties.

State funded contraceptives would indisputably lower the amount of abortions in this nation, along with lowering the burden on the system of those children carried to term by irresponsible parents. It's a win-win, but here we are with every 'abortion is murder' advocate advocating the path which only leads to more abortions.

It makes no logical sense.

society is not doing a very good job of limiting the damage on the dead babies.

(02-21-2014 08:25 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 08:24 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 08:23 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  "I want people to be held accountable for their actions." "I want a working mother and father raising their children together."

Those are what everyone should want, but those are just thoughts with no actions, and unfortunately nothing more than talking points.

So you condone killing unborn babies because the world isn't perfect?

Question: If fetuses are "babies", why do we not have funerals for miscarried fetuses? Why do parents say "We have 2 children and 1 expecting" instead of "We have 3 children"?

People who believe in a soul at birth and that babies in utero are just as human as the born have funerals for miscarried or still born babies and mourn for the loss no differently than if that child had been born.
You obviously are not a father and certainly not a mother. No woman who has carried a child could be as calloused as you are regarding the yet to be born.

Riddle me this...when does a child in utero (fetus by your term if it makes you feel better) get the constitutional protection of life in your mind? At Birth? When it is viable?

(02-21-2014 08:33 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 08:24 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 08:23 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  "I want people to be held accountable for their actions." "I want a working mother and father raising their children together."

Those are what everyone should want, but those are just thoughts with no actions, and unfortunately nothing more than talking points.

So you condone killing unborn babies because the world isn't perfect?

Where did you get that? I'm pro-life and I don't disagree with the premise of those I quoted.

And I don't disagree with someone taking the precaution of wearing a condom or taking a birth control pill. What I don't understand is why the government needs to provide either for free? Are people so lazy or lacking in self control? Why does the government have to do everything?

Murderer.

And when faced with that, we get a bunch of bs for an answer.

(02-21-2014 08:11 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  Boy, these conservatives are really something, aren't they? They're all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you're born, you're on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don't want to know about you. They don't want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you're preborn, you're fine; if you're preschool, you're ******. Conservatives don't give a **** about you until you reach military age. Then they think you're just fine. Just what they've been looking for. Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. Pro-life... pro-life... These people aren't pro-life, they're killing doctors! What kind of pro-life is that? What, they'll do anything they can to save a fetus but if it grows up to be a doctor they just might have to kill it? They're not pro-life. You know what they are? They're anti-woman. Simple as it gets, anti-woman. They don't like them. They don't like women. They believe a woman's primary role is to function as a brood mare for the state.

None of it's true but even their best lies don't add up to:

Murderer.

(02-21-2014 10:45 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Murderer.

And when faced with that, we get a bunch of bs for an answer.

(02-21-2014 08:11 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  Boy, these conservatives are really something, aren't they? They're all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you're born, you're on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don't want to know about you. They don't want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you're preborn, you're fine; if you're preschool, you're ******. Conservatives don't give a **** about you until you reach military age. Then they think you're just fine. Just what they've been looking for. Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. Pro-life... pro-life... These people aren't pro-life, they're killing doctors! What kind of pro-life is that? What, they'll do anything they can to save a fetus but if it grows up to be a doctor they just might have to kill it? They're not pro-life. You know what they are? They're anti-woman. Simple as it gets, anti-woman. They don't like them. They don't like women. They believe a woman's primary role is to function as a brood mare for the state.

None of it's true but even their best lies don't add up to:

Murderer.

mathenis89 isn't attacking the problem of excessive abortions, unwanted pregnancies, being born into poverty, people using their extra money on everything except birth control, single mothers, deadbeat fathers, the economic drain on the tax paying society, or anything like that. He addresses those problems by attacking conservatives. He probably feels good about himself, maybe he even has a chubby, but all the issues I just mentioned are still there but it's just easier for him to deny they exist.

(02-21-2014 10:41 PM)blah Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 08:33 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 08:24 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(02-21-2014 08:23 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  "I want people to be held accountable for their actions." "I want a working mother and father raising their children together."

Those are what everyone should want, but those are just thoughts with no actions, and unfortunately nothing more than talking points.

So you condone killing unborn babies because the world isn't perfect?

Where did you get that? I'm pro-life and I don't disagree with the premise of those I quoted.

And I don't disagree with someone taking the precaution of wearing a condom or taking a birth control pill. What I don't understand is why the government needs to provide either for free? Are people so lazy or lacking in self control? Why does the government have to do everything?

Yes. I also wouldn't see it as government doing everything, I see it as cutting long-term costs of the welfare state.

In our paradigm, we're going to be paying for something through our tax dollars, no matter how much people are against it. It's just a matter of what you'd rather pay for.

But it's a crap-shoot because actually using the contraceptives, even if they're free, is far from a sure thing.