(02-24-2014 10:10 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  No crush. Disgust.


"BC pitched a fit and cost us our rightful ACC spot"

"Forde tipped Louisville off and cost us our rightful ACC spot"


Nah, it didn't have anything to do with the fact that UCONN football is, was, and probably always will be mediocre at best. Or the fact that the CT Attorney General was the front man for the lawsuit against the ACC, several ACC members, and officials at several schools. That your university resides in a recruiting wasteland that offers no benefits for the schools in this conference that care about football. That you play in a usually half empty 40k stadium on an airfield 25 miles from campus. Nah, it was always something underhanded from some other school to deny you.

I like how you take quotes from one poster and make that your basis for an entire fan-base. You are precious.

(02-24-2014 03:33 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  While there will be whining about how the ACC destroyed the BE, why does no one ever mention how the BE destroyed CUSA by taking Louisville, Cincinnati, Marquette, South Florida and DePaul?

No. CUSA version 1.0 is unmourned because of a lack of top-level accomplishments. 2 Final Fours in ten years, one by a Louisville that was already on their way to the Big East, and no major bowl appearances don't make for a lot of nostalgia. It was a very good collection of programs, but most of those programs didn't have their best years during the first incarnation of CUSA.

And CUSA 2.0 still had Houston, Memphis, Tulane, Southern Miss, UAB and East Carolina out of the more-or-less original lineup. Trading down to UCF and Rice and Tulsa and UTEP, and then to FIU and MTSU and UTSA, makes for a less dramatic story than the wholesale pillaging of the Big EAst Football league.

And oh, this makes a Big EAst Final Four appearance this year that much sweeter, so as to stick this requiem up ESPN's Chris Berman.

(02-24-2014 10:58 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 03:33 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  While there will be whining about how the ACC destroyed the BE, why does no one ever mention how the BE destroyed CUSA by taking Louisville, Cincinnati, Marquette, South Florida and DePaul?

No. CUSA version 1.0 is unmourned because of a lack of top-level accomplishments. 2 Final Fours in ten years, one by a Louisville that was already on their way to the Big East, and no major bowl appearances don't make for a lot of nostalgia. It was a very good collection of programs, but most of those programs didn't have their best years during the first incarnation of CUSA.

And CUSA 2.0 still had Houston, Memphis, Tulane, Southern Miss, UAB and East Carolina out of the more-or-less original lineup. Trading down to UCF and Rice and Tulsa and UTEP, and then to FIU and MTSU and UTSA, makes for a less dramatic story than the wholesale pillaging of the Big EAst Football league.

And oh, this makes a Big EAst Final Four appearance this year that much sweeter, so as to stick this requiem up ESPN's Chris Berman.

The one thing that I am glad about in this whole realignment nonsense is that schools like St. John's and DePaul will no longer be able to ride the coattails of other programs.

A "requiem" usually honors the dead. Of course, the Big East conference, very much alive, is the 4th rated conference, and currently has 2 teams in the Top 10, and features this year's National Player of the Year, and will again hold our conference tourney in Madison Square Garden in two weeks, and will thru 2026. And five of their schools have Top-20 recruiting classes in 2014.

The Big East also has a majority of the original 9 schools still playing together, including all three of those 1985 Final Four schools. Tomorrow night, not on ESPN but on Fox Sports 1 (people, at least tune in for Charissa Thompson), you can watch Xavier with future NBA first-rounder Semaj Christon vs St John's with future NBA first-rounders Jakarr Sampson and others, from Madison Square Garden.

"ESPN told us what to do"... announced the night of Dave Gavitt's passing. ESPN airing this will be like a murderer trying to give the eulogy for its victim, except the "victim" is still alive.

You think Boeheim doesn't miss the Big East? He mentions it at almost every press conference... after the Pitt game... talking about Maryland getting Saturday off ("Maryland's off [Saturday], which is kinda strange... i guess they do those things down here... we didnt used to do that in the other league... i shouldnt mention that other league... i cant help myself...") ... the earlier Denny's comments... what does he have to do, tattoo it on his forehead?

Also, Calhoun is a legendary Big East coach, old school working class New England, and I hope he was asked to take part.

A requiem I remember is Jennifer Conniley with a double *****

(02-25-2014 12:22 AM)billyjack Wrote:  A "requiem" usually honors the dead. Of course, the Big East conference, very much alive, is the 4th rated conference, and currently has 2 teams in the Top 10, and features this year's National Player of the Year, and will again hold our conference tourney in Madison Square Garden in two weeks, and will thru 2026. And five of their schools have Top-20 recruiting classes in 2014.

The Big East also has a majority of the original 9 schools still playing together, including all three of those 1985 Final Four schools. Tomorrow night, not on ESPN but on Fox Sports 1 (people, at least tune in for Charissa Thompson), you can watch Xavier with future NBA first-rounder Semaj Christon vs St John's with future NBA first-rounders Jakarr Sampson and others, from Madison Square Garden.

"ESPN told us what to do"... announced the night of Dave Gavitt's passing. ESPN airing this will be like a murderer trying to give the eulogy for its victim, except the "victim" is still alive.

You think Boeheim doesn't miss the Big East? He mentions it at almost every press conference... after the Pitt game... talking about Maryland getting Saturday off ("Maryland's off [Saturday], which is kinda strange... i guess they do those things down here... we didnt used to do that in the other league... i shouldnt mention that other league... i cant help myself...") ... the earlier Denny's comments... what does he have to do, tattoo it on his forehead?

Also, Calhoun is a legendary Big East coach, old school working class New England, and I hope he was asked to take part.

no offense: but no one outside of a certain 7 schools claims the new BE is the same conference as the old BE.

the AAC is the legal successor to the big east which right off the bat kills that notion right in its tracks. The mainstream line of thought of the traditional big east conference is that it ended with the c7 split.

the 3 most powerful programs that the BE produced (i exclude ville because they were not one of the early members) belong to 3 different conferences. It is a total insult to try to claim that any 1 conference is the "successor" to the big east and/or that the big east lives on like nothing happened.

(02-24-2014 03:33 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  While there will be whining about how the ACC destroyed the BE, why does no one ever mention how the BE destroyed CUSA by taking Louisville, Cincinnati, Marquette, South Florida and DePaul?

No one ever mentions the moves on the CUSA because that was just back-filling by the Big East as a response of moves against them. The Big East didn't go on the offensive - it was just trickle down from the moves above.

(02-24-2014 09:39 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 08:20 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 03:51 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I have no desire to watch it. WVU wasted over 20 years trying to make a go of that conference, and it was a thorough waste of time.

Far be it from me to defend anything about the Big East, but I think calling it a waste of time is overly harsh. First, we had no where else to go for a long time so it was our best option. Second, we saw major success in football and basketball as members of the Big East.

We saw major success in basketball after getting rid of Gale Catlett. But WVU had major success in football as an independent, before Big East football.

IMO WVU would have been better off staying independent. Big East football never would have happened without us, since 7 wouldn't have been enough for a viable football conference. So Big East football would have died for lack of interest before getting started, and things would have worked out pretty much the same in the end.

If WV did not join for FB someone else would have and the first schools that come to mind are L'Ville, ECU, and Cinn. Cinn and L'Ville would have fit the mold perfectly with their BB backgrounds first at the time.

(02-25-2014 01:27 AM)john01992 Wrote:  the 3 most powerful programs that the BE produced (i exclude ville because they were not one of the early members) belong to 3 different conferences. It is a total insult to try to claim that any 1 conference is the "successor" to the big east and/or that the big east lives on like nothing happened.

Of course it's not the same with Georgetown, Syracuse and UConn under different tents. That doesn't mean the keepers of the flame don't want to stick ESPN's requiem in Bristol's ear.

(02-25-2014 04:08 AM)carolinaknights Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 09:39 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 08:20 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 03:51 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I have no desire to watch it. WVU wasted over 20 years trying to make a go of that conference, and it was a thorough waste of time.

Far be it from me to defend anything about the Big East, but I think calling it a waste of time is overly harsh. First, we had no where else to go for a long time so it was our best option. Second, we saw major success in football and basketball as members of the Big East.

We saw major success in basketball after getting rid of Gale Catlett. But WVU had major success in football as an independent, before Big East football.

IMO WVU would have been better off staying independent. Big East football never would have happened without us, since 7 wouldn't have been enough for a viable football conference. So Big East football would have died for lack of interest before getting started, and things would have worked out pretty much the same in the end.

If WV did not join for FB someone else would have and the first schools that come to mind are L'Ville, ECU, and Cinn. Cinn and L'Ville would have fit the mold perfectly with their BB backgrounds first at the time.

Exactly. Big East football was going to happen regardless of whether WVU joined.

(02-24-2014 10:18 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 10:10 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  No crush. Disgust.


"BC pitched a fit and cost us our rightful ACC spot"

"Forde tipped Louisville off and cost us our rightful ACC spot"


Nah, it didn't have anything to do with the fact that UCONN football is, was, and probably always will be mediocre at best. Or the fact that the CT Attorney General was the front man for the lawsuit against the ACC, several ACC members, and officials at several schools. That your university resides in a recruiting wasteland that offers no benefits for the schools in this conference that care about football. That you play in a usually half empty 40k stadium on an airfield 25 miles from campus. Nah, it was always something underhanded from some other school to deny you.

I like how you take quotes from one poster and make that your basis for an entire fan-base. You are precious.

That's a misleading statement. Not sure if you are being intentionally misleading or not though.

Go to the Boneyard and look at what UCONN fans believe. The majority of fans think exactly like this. Only a minority of fans believe that UCONN has legitimate deficiencies that need to be ironed out prior to gaining inclusion to a P5 conference. Most will blame "The Flipper", Forde, Pitt, Syracuse, BC and UL for "stealing/denying what was rightfully theirs" as opposed looking at the situation objectively.

(02-24-2014 10:10 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 09:39 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 08:20 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 03:51 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I have no desire to watch it. WVU wasted over 20 years trying to make a go of that conference, and it was a thorough waste of time.

Far be it from me to defend anything about the Big East, but I think calling it a waste of time is overly harsh. First, we had no where else to go for a long time so it was our best option. Second, we saw major success in football and basketball as members of the Big East.

We saw major success in basketball after getting rid of Gale Catlett. But WVU had major success in football as an independent, before Big East football.

IMO WVU would have been better off staying independent. Big East football never would have happened without us, since 7 wouldn't have been enough for a viable football conference. So Big East football would have died for lack of interest before getting started, and things would have worked out pretty much the same in the end.

In other words , Bit, you now wish that WVU had gone the ND route? :)

Not really. I just wish we hadn't gone the Big East route. WVU wasted over 20 years because of it.

(02-25-2014 09:12 AM)C Marlow Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 10:18 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 10:10 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  No crush. Disgust.


"BC pitched a fit and cost us our rightful ACC spot"

"Forde tipped Louisville off and cost us our rightful ACC spot"


Nah, it didn't have anything to do with the fact that UCONN football is, was, and probably always will be mediocre at best. Or the fact that the CT Attorney General was the front man for the lawsuit against the ACC, several ACC members, and officials at several schools. That your university resides in a recruiting wasteland that offers no benefits for the schools in this conference that care about football. That you play in a usually half empty 40k stadium on an airfield 25 miles from campus. Nah, it was always something underhanded from some other school to deny you.

I like how you take quotes from one poster and make that your basis for an entire fan-base. You are precious.

That's a misleading statement. Not sure if you are being intentionally misleading or not though.

Go to the Boneyard and look at what UCONN fans believe. The majority of fans think exactly like this. Only a minority of fans believe that UCONN has legitimate deficiencies that need to be ironed out prior to gaining inclusion to a P5 conference. Most will blame "The Flipper", Forde, Pitt, Syracuse, BC and UL for "stealing/denying what was rightfully theirs" as opposed looking at the situation objectively.

I am a Boneyard member so I know what you are talking about. While I agree that a lot of fans there blame certain entities (which differ person to person), most also believe there are certain issues that need to be worked out - a lot having to do with the football program's growth/university endowment/relationship building.

I'm not being misleading in my post as I was referring to the quotes he brought up. The 2 quotes were from the same UCONN fan on here, who tends to bring it up more often than other UCONN posters on this site. I've noticed that most UCONN fans here don't go off unless someone tries to throw shade our way (such as the Calhoun comments earlier in this thread). If he has an issue with UCONN fans on another site then perhaps he should bring it up on that site.

it would have been interesting had there never been a Big East football. Maybe the independents overall would have still stuck around a lot longer. Big East really ended independent football as we knew it.

As far as my Calhoun comments- I'm not saying he was very important. I'm just saying when they're advertising for the program- Boeheim, Thompson, Carnesseca, and even Pitino are known by general sports fans a whole lot more than Calhoun. You talk to general sports fans about the Big East coaches- and those 4 are mentioned by a lot more than Calhoun.

I'm not saying that Calhoun wasn't in the top 4- he is. He needs to be in the program as well, just I can understand how the programmers wouldn't have him in there.

(02-25-2014 06:43 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 01:27 AM)john01992 Wrote:  the 3 most powerful programs that the BE produced (i exclude ville because they were not one of the early members) belong to 3 different conferences. It is a total insult to try to claim that any 1 conference is the "successor" to the big east and/or that the big east lives on like nothing happened.

Of course it's not the same with Georgetown, Syracuse and UConn under different tents. That doesn't mean the keepers of the flame don't want to stick ESPN's requiem in Bristol's ear.

the way i see it the new big easts claims that they are the same conference is not valid. they are not even the legal successor to the big east.

They are the Legal Successor. They bought the naming rights and feature most original members. No Question They are the Big East. Just not the Other Big East with Football and Basketball. AKA THE BEAST!

(02-25-2014 12:56 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  They are the Legal Successor. They bought the naming rights and feature most original members. No Question They are the Big East. Just not the Other Big East with Football and Basketball. AKA THE BEAST!

they bought the naming rights, and they claim the prior BE history as their own, but the AAC is still the legal successor.

from the aac wiki page
The conference is headquartered in Providence, Rhode Island, and led by Commissioner Michael Aresco.[2][3] The American participates in the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) Division I in athletic competitions; for football, it is a part of the Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS).
The majority of the conference's member institutions are located in urban metropolitan areas. The conference is one of two successors to the all-sports Big East Conference (1979–2013). While the other successor, which does not sponsor football, kept the Big East Conference name, the American Athletic Conference inherited the old Big East's structure and is that conference's legal successor. However, both conferences claim 1979 as their founding date, and the same history up to 2013.[4][5]

status: established May 31, 1979 (as the Big East)
July 1, 2013 (reorganized as The American)

from the new big east's wiki page
In December 2012, these schools chose to split from the football playing schools in order to focus on basketball, and in March 2013 reached a settlement, whereby they formed a new conference that assumed the Big East name and logo. Butler University, Creighton University, and Xavier University also joined the conference on its July 1, 2013 launch date.[3] The football-playing members of the old Big East joined with several other schools to form the American Athletic Conference, [i]which retains the old Big East's charter and structure. However, both conferences claim 1979 as their founding date, and the same history up to 2013.[4][5]

status: established July 1, 2013[/i]

from the old big east wiki page
On July 1, 2013, as part of an ongoing realignment, the non-football playing schools (also known collectively as the Catholic 7) formed a non-football playing conference that retains the Big East Conference name. The remaining six football-playing members joined with four schools from other conferences to become the American Athletic Conference. The American Athletic Conference is the legal successor of the old Big East; it retains the old Big East's structure and inherited the league's automatic berth in the Bowl Championship Series. However, both conferences claim 1979 as their founding date, and the same history up to 2013.[4][5]

status: dissolved July 1, 2013 (reorganized as The American Athletic Conference)

Very similar to the Cleveland Browns becoming the Baltimore Ravens, and the legal entity of the Ravens being the same as the old Browns. However the new Browns, a new entity, keeps the name and all of the records, essentially making the Baltimore Ravens the expansion team and the "new" team. Even though the legal business entity goes back to the 1940's while the new Browns go back to 1999 (or when the business was officially formed) as a legal entity.

(02-25-2014 01:43 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Very similar to the Cleveland Browns becoming the Baltimore Ravens, and the legal entity of the Ravens being the same as the old Browns. However the new Browns, a new entity, keeps the name and all of the records, essentially making the Baltimore Ravens the expansion team and the "new" team. Even though the legal business entity goes back to the 1940's while the new Browns go back to 1999 (or when the business was officially formed) as a legal entity.

i disagree. with the browns you had an entire franchise leave. with the c7 split you had a conference split in half with some staying 7 some leaving. the departing members started a brand new conference but with the old name.

If anything the wac/mwc is the most comparable example. only difference is the gang of 5 didn't buy the name off them.