No Aresco is being smart like the other p5 and waiting for that prissy girl named texas to change her mind so the feeding frenzy to start. They along with the AAC stand to gain some very key programs after this last realignment dance. So no let the mwc do mid major expansions that really wont help or change anything. If we lose out to leftover big12 teams we can always merge with certain mwcschools and have the same result.

Lol. Forgot about bruce pearl. Wow him at houston would be akin to LB at smu. Houston already has the talent and I think he would jump at the chance

(02-26-2014 01:15 PM)Tigersmoke Wrote:  The only additions we should make now should be houston going after witchita's coach with a vengence and a fistfull of money and ucf or usf doing the same for skaka smart. Think like a p5 and you cant go wrong. They rarely add lower teams when they can take your coaches and not splint any more conference dollars.

This

Tiggersmoke is right, the mw option will always be there if it comes to that. I pray it doesn't.

(02-26-2014 09:51 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  The Potential MWC Realignment Dilemma Part 1: Olympic Sports
By Terrance Dickens  @tdickens13


Jeff Bottari
The Mountain West Conference has 12 football schools and 11 Olympic sport schools, there could be a need to expand soon to bring the Olympic sports to an even 12.

The Mountain West Conference has an even number of schools in football because Hawaii is a football only member. The problem is that leaves only 11 schools to play the Olympic sports. The schools play 18 conference games in basketball but its no longer a round robin. The biggest problem is that it sets up for an uneven basketball tournament field because the top five teams will receive byes while the remaining six will play for three spots in the quarterfinals. This is reminiscent of the Big Ten conference prior to them adding Nebraska in 2011 bringing the conference to an even 12 schools. Over the next couple months a lot of realignment rumors will emerge, but the MWC could potentially have a major dilemma on their hands if they stay at 11 for full member schools.

If the conference decides to add just a non football school here are my suggestions:

Gonzaga - The Zags will be a huge fit because of their basketball pedigree. They're a mid major powerhouse in basketball who was recently a number one seed in the 2013 NCAA Tournament. They also have an exceptional women's basketball program that could help boost the conference profile for women's basketball.  The Kennel would add to the list of tough places to play in the Mountain West Conference.

Wichita State - The Shockers are currently ranked 4th in the nation in men's basketball. Their women's team is making a push towards the top 25. Another benefit to adding the shockers is their volleyball program is a school that could be a major boost to the MWC along with being a major threat to Colorado State. Which I believe is what the conference needs for volleyball. Just think how huge would a San Diego State vs Wichita State men's basketball game be for the conference. Major networks would be all over it.

Hawaii - This would make the Rainbow Warriors a full member of the conference. Their basketball programs are decent but my reason for adding this school would be the home and home volleyball series they would have against Colorado State. That would be must see TV because the Rainbow Wahine are a top 10 program and the Rams are another top program. They also sell out their volleyball matches on a consistent basis and would bring a major boost to volleyball.

These schools would all be great additions in their own unique ways. I believe that the MWC needs to get to 12 members in all sports to prevent unbalanced tournaments and make it an even more exciting conference schedule. Plus twelve sounds a lot better than eleven.

(02-26-2014 01:21 PM)Tigersmoke Wrote:  No Aresco is being smart like the other p5 and waiting for that prissy girl named texas to change her mind so the feeding frenzy to start. They along with the AAC stand to gain some very key programs after this last realignment dance. So no let the mwc do mid major expansions that really wont help or change anything. If we lose out to leftover big12 teams we can always merge with certain mwcschools and have the same result.

I personally believe that if the Big 12 were to break up, the remaining teams and some cherry picked others would all come together. They wouldn't be joining the AAC or MWC.

It would definitely make things more interesting in basketball if the MW were to invite both Gonzaga and Wichita.
FlossY out...

Well, I doubt Gonzaga is leaving the WCC. The best add for the MWC would be Denver. Right in MWC territory, in their major market, the school has a lot of potential if it could get the conference situation sorted out...makes sense. I don't see them getting any of the schools on his list.

(02-26-2014 03:16 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  Well, I doubt Gonzaga is leaving the WCC. The best add for the MWC would be Denver. Right in MWC territory, in their major market, the school has a lot of potential if it could get the conference situation sorted out...makes sense. I don't see them getting any of the schools on his list.

That would be three schools in the state. I don't think that's what they need.

I believe they will want Gonzaga. The AAC just gave the MWC heartburn with 5 likely teams making the tourney. We need to step up the heat and invite 3 more basketball schools.

Option 1 - Take VCU, WSU, and St Louis

Option 2 -Add just WSU

Option 3 (2 all sports teams and 1 hoops) - add 2 of these in all sports Georgetown,
Umass, Charlotte, and ODU. Then take WSU or VCU

Option 4 - Add Army FB, VCU and WSU hoops, and an all sports member like umass, Georgetown, ODU, or Charlotte.

(02-26-2014 01:13 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  We'll see going forward...most folks have said that BE basketball was overpaid and American was underpaid. Its just a 5 year deal.

Most folks that have said that were on this board, and fans of AAC programs. That is not the general consensus

(02-26-2014 01:13 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  But, as been discussed at length when dealing with the ACC TV deal, their Commish admitted that football was 75-80% of the revenue generated in that contract.

Funny how people recognize grandstanding when they want to, but don't pay attention other times. This is not a shot at you, just an observation. Remember he said this at a time when there was no way anyone could find out the real split, AND when the ACC was being questioned about the strength and value of its football, and questions about being too much of a basketball conference. There is a self-serving reason for such a statement. Meanwhile what is factually known is that the primary reason for the ACC's increase in TV revenue when they signed their new deal the first time (the one that set off the sports bubble) was that ESPN gaining the nationwide rights of ACC basketball, something it did not have previously, was the primary reason the contract doubled. If we see the ACC only give Notre Dame $4 million a year in TV money, then the 80/20 would be the case. But by and large, that is not really holding water. Especially when their most recent increased have been the result of moves they actually made for basketball.

Now all fo that said, as I have mentioned many a times, TV money makes up somewhere between 10-25% of a school's revenue in most cases. Basing future decisions on the worst case scenario of that income being reduced by less than 1% is the most short sighted decision anyone could ever make (if you assume even that it is 50/50 on FB and BB, splitting the BB portion from 11 teams to 13, and keeping the football the same results in a team going from getting 9% of the gross TV revenue to getting 8.391% of the TV revenue). From that end, when you add the benefits of additional teams, in terms of expanding markets, expanding the pool of potential NCAA teams, the potential gains on future TV contracts, expanding the conference reach, and increasing other revenues, with the worst case scenario of losing 1% of TV revenue (that assumes the TV contract does not increase) I don't really know what to say.

TV contract payouts (the difference with adding 1-2 teams) are vastly overrated by many here, and in the Big XII (to be fair the B12 ahs other serious consideration to look at). Especially at the expense of growing the brand.



FB drives the bus in TV....and will moreso going forward overall with the new playoff money. The BE won't be seeing any of that money...which was generated via TV.

(02-26-2014 01:13 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  And footprint? Indiana, Nebraska, Wisconsin, and Illinois? I wasn't aware of the American sharing that footprint....is the BE in Texas, Tennesee, Louisiana, Florida and North Carolina now? Where exactly is the footprint shared....Philly and who else?

So did I miss the American moving out of Pennsylvania, Ohio, the NYC area, New England, and the mid Atlantic area? IS that not the same footprint? Further, the old Big East did have one geographical region to itself, or mostly to itself. The American does not. Cincinnati and Temple have BE members located in their city, and UConn is surrounded by them. And they are the closest to have their own markets. That was my point.

The MWC is not going to take a member for Olympics only.

We just added Colorado College as an affiliate for women's soccer from CUSA. They are D3 except for women's soccer and men's hockey. Apparently, it'll help with scheduling adding 11 conference games. No divisions per the MW asst. commissioner.
Basketball worked out just fine playing 8 teams in round robin and the other 2 teams once. With an 18 game conference schedule having 12 mean you'll play 4 teams only once with 7 round robin.

Who out there in the candidate pool will ADD VALUE to the AAC? Why tack on partials? Honestly, if hadn't taken on Navy as a football only member our expansion scenarios would be better overall.

That said, who would add value to the MWC? Even CUSA in its current state will get a better tv deal still than the MWC.

I just don't see the all-sport members out there that have the "it" factor to be considered by the AAC.

Now, if somehow some of those call ups to CUSA like Charlotte and/or ODU really get going.... and depending on expansion needs....who knows...But as for NOW and probably 4 years from NOW, I don't see anyone on the radar that is worth it.

The coast to coast conference was already tried once... it crashed and burned, it was the subject of much ridicule. People complained the entire time. I doubt seriously if it will ever be attempted again. Let there be both western and eastern conferences at the same relative 'level'. Heck, many already grouse about the AACs footprint. I think going Texas eastward is just fine.

The old BE, with a much bigger carrot to dangle, could not get BYU or AFA to seriously consider joining.

(02-26-2014 10:51 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:11 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  If we expand it shouldn't be for basketball. We should go big and be the first 16 or 18 school conference.

16
EAST: UConn, Temple, Navy, UC, ECU, UCF, USF, Memphis
WEST: Tulane, Tulsa, Houston, SMU, Colorado State, UNLV, New Mexico, Air Force (FB only)

18
EAST: UConn, Temple, Navy, UC, ECU, UCF, USF, Memphis, Tulane
WEST: Houston, SMU, Tulsa, New Mexico, Colorado State, UNLV, SDSU, Fresno, Air Force (FB only)

Cut the head of the MWC.

This.

ummmm, dejavu? ..... haven't we already tried this westward thing? Hasn't SDSU already had an invite and then backed out? Haven't we contacted Fresno and Air Force?

(02-26-2014 11:28 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 11:25 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:55 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:51 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:11 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  If we expand it shouldn't be for basketball. We should go big and be the first 16 or 18 school conference.

16
EAST: UConn, Temple, Navy, UC, ECU, UCF, USF, Memphis
WEST: Tulane, Tulsa, Houston, SMU, Colorado State, UNLV, New Mexico, Air Force (FB only)

18
EAST: UConn, Temple, Navy, UC, ECU, UCF, USF, Memphis, Tulane
WEST: Houston, SMU, Tulsa, New Mexico, Colorado State, UNLV, SDSU, Fresno, Air Force (FB only)

Cut the head of the MWC.

This.

Go with the 16 option...

We just took their bottom feeders. They still have

Boise St
Fresno St
SD St
SJSU
USU
Nevada
Wyoming
Hawaii

They would just add Idaho, NMSU and convince NDSU & Montana to move up. We need to stab them in the heart.

Then go for 18. But screw Boise. Let them rot.

^^^^This^^^^

(02-26-2014 10:02 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:00 AM)PirateJP Wrote:  I may be in the minority, but I think we would be better off trying to make Navy a full time member. We are a football conference first, and the second we start making decisions based on basketball is the second we start heading down the same road that doomed the Big East.

Navy's olympics add ZERO value

Hey, ECU used to be in a basketball conference in the 80s with the Naval Academy when they had the Admiral David Robinson.

IMO, it would make more sense for the MWC to just go ahead and make Hawaii a full time member again

If we're going to add anyone, it would have to be an all sport member, IMO... Someone who will help in basketball or football emedietly and invest in their facilities with out having to harp about it in public... Or a football only member with some history and current success.

Easy answer we should hold on to the little money we are getting right now and do absolutely nothing.