If a football school is added, I believe a bball school will be added also to maintain the 'evenness' of the league...

the question is, what bball school ?

WVU82 Wrote:If a football school is added, I believe a bball school will be added also to maintain the 'evenness' of the league...

the question is, what bball school ?

18 MEMBER OPTION WITH HOLY CROSS ADDED
Holy Cross & Providence
UConn & Syracuse
St. John's & Seton Hall
Rutgers & Notre Dame (no easier way to do it in this alignment)
Villanova & Georgetown
Pitt & West Virginia
Cincinnati & Louisville
DePaul & Marquette
South Florida & Central Florida

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18 MEMBER OPTION WITH HOLY CROSS ADDED
Providence & Notre Dame (no easier way to do it in this alignment)
UConn & Syracuse
Fordham & St. John's
Rutgers & Seton Hall
Villanova & Georgetown
Pitt & West Virginia
Cincinnati & Louisville
DePaul & Marquette
South Florida & Central Florida

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18 MEMBER OPTION WITH XAVIER ADDED
Providence & St. John's
UConn & Syracuse
Rutgers & Seton Hall
Villanova & Georgetown
Pitt & West Virginia
Cincinnati & Louisville
Xavier & Notre Dame (no easier way to do it in this alignment)
DePaul & Marquette
South Florida & Central Florida

You can forget Fordham and Xavier. Cinci will fight Xavier and St Johns will fight Fordham. I think that Holy Cross is the most likely if they add another BB only.

Shannon Panther Wrote:You can forget Fordham and Xavier. Cinci will fight Xavier and St Johns will fight Fordham. I think that Holy Cross is the most likely if they add another BB only.

I also feel that way, but I included them so people would not accuse me of promoting my personal bias favoring Holy Cross. Because of the fact that Fordham is located in the Bronx and St. John's is located in Queens, adding them could actually work out pretty well if the Red Storm weren't so jealous about keeping the New York market all for themselves.

This is the same reason that Villanova would not let Temple join the old conference in basketball and would veto sharing with St. Joseph's in the future. Xavier could work in a post-split basketball conference, but we're talking about going to 18 teams and never splitting in this topic, so no Xavier. You might want to read this Holy Cross thread if interested.

U forgot the #1 choice... buffalo...

Man, you UCFers have some short memories.

zibby Wrote:Man, you UCFers have some short memories.

lmfao lmfao

zibby Wrote:Man, you UCFers have some short memories.

It's funny because Buffalo has more wins over I-A teams than UCF does this season! rotflmao

RaliLlama Wrote:ECU, UCF or Memphis?

It would have to be one that's willing to play only in football. But where would their basketball team go? CUSA would no longer be an option. The Sun Belt? They'll probably be going for an all-sports conference if Western Kentucy moves up.

However, if the BE dumps Notre Dame and splits from the BB schools, then I feel Memphis would be the best fit. We have to stay strong in basketball.

If we remain a 16 team BB league then, ECU has great fan support and a storied tradition in football, while UCF would mean a trip to Florida every football season.

All of these scenarios would be acceptable to me.

In other news:

So far this year the SEC, a twelve team conference, has only played 7 OOC games against BCS teams while the BE has played 12.

As a matter of fact the BE has played more BCS teams OOC than any other BCS conference:

ACC (7), Big 10 (11), Big 12 (8), Pac 10 (10), SEC (7), BE (12)

This may sound crazy but I'd bet that Memphis wouldn't mind sending their basketball program to another conference for several years if we agreed to make some kind of OOC deal with them where we line up 5 or 6 games to help with their SOS. I mean come on, how much worse can it get than CUSA basketball in its current state anyway? Memphis is the only reason to even ponder that conference.

Krocker Krapp Wrote:Why was a thread like this started today and why are people wasting their time on it? This was a tremendous college football weekend. The Big East continued to make some statements even though there were a couple of disappointments.

Nonetheless, West Virginia took Maryland to the woodshed, Louisville dealt a critical blow to those traitors from Miami, Syracuse broke their losing streak with a win over Illinois, Rutgers whipped Ohio, and South Florida beat Central Florida.

There are so many exciting things going on in this conference right now that you do not need to indulge in fantasies that every Big East leader continues to say are simply not on the table at this time. When is enough of this stuff enough?

It won't be enough until there is a split. The basketball schedualing is absurd and creates an uneven playing field no matter how it is addressed.

L-yes Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:Why was a thread like this started today and why are people wasting their time on it? This was a tremendous college football weekend. The Big East continued to make some statements even though there were a couple of disappointments.

Nonetheless, West Virginia took Maryland to the woodshed, Louisville dealt a critical blow to those traitors from Miami, Syracuse broke their losing streak with a win over Illinois, Rutgers whipped Ohio, and South Florida beat Central Florida.

There are so many exciting things going on in this conference right now that you do not need to indulge in fantasies that every Big East leader continues to say are simply not on the table at this time. When is enough of this stuff enough?

It won't be enough until there is a split. The basketball schedualing is absurd and creates an uneven playing field no matter how it is addressed.

Do you think constantly discussing this stuff on an internet message board is going to make the Big East leadership decide to split up the league? I agree wholeheartedly that the scheduling in both football and basketball is absurd but everyone of consequence keeps saying that a split simply is not going to happen anytime in the near future.

This means that perhaps some more creative solutions are needed. Lolly Popp has one, expanding to 18 teams, which I endorse as a palatable alternative. It would solve the scheduling problems in both sports ... football is obvious why ... and basketball by allowing a single round robin for 17 games plus one mirror opponent for 18 games.

Speaking of other canidates....Navy crushed Stanford last week....army still needs work but they losed to Texas A+M on the last play of the game Sat night...that was a fun game go watch


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UCF, ECU, and Memphis are all fine programs that would probably explode with BCS access. No idea about how in particular it would affect the other two, but if Tommy West could look at recruits and give them that BCS acccess line, we'd probably start beating Mississippi in the Northern Mississippi/ Northern Alabama recruiting area. Right now we give them a pretty good fight, but I'd say they beat us on 75% of the recruiting we do head to head. Main reason?? Mississippi has BCS access, Memphis does not.

The more people type about a split here, the sooner it will happen, the Big East officials can't resist internet power.

From an outsiders perspective...You guys may have some scheduling problems but you dont have any problem splitting the BCS money with less teams.
The BigEast obviously won't be in danger of losing the BCS anytime soon as that is officially a non issue with WVU and UL. Enjoy your BCS money and just pay your AD more to get busy scheduling teams.
If you feel it necessary to expand you have UCF,Memphis and ECU waiting for the call so either way you have nothing to worry about.

I dont really know why these threads even keep coming up. The BE isnt going to add nor split for another 5 years... so just enjoy

goodknightfl Wrote:I dont really know why these threads even keep coming up. The BE isnt going to add nor split for another 5 years... so just enjoy

I agree with you.

By looking at records and play thus far into the season..... there are no expansion candidates.

army56mike Wrote:By looking at records and play thus far into the season..... there are no expansion candidates.

Short term, good point. Every team every mentioned (that would accept) has a losing record.

I don't think Syracuse would go along with the football schools if the BEast fractured. They were instrumental in preventing the eastern all-sports conference from happening in the '70s, which forced Penn State to look to the Big 10. They also tend to side with the basketball schools in BEast voting. It may come down to inviting 2 schools to join and the football splitting away without the Orange. I could be wrong, but look at Syracuse BEast voting history and see what you think.