All OOC wins in general are good, but our real measuring stick is how we do against other BCS conferences\Notre Dame.

Last season, we were a dismal 4-11 against BCS conferences\Notre Dame, with the 11 losses being by an average of 2 touchdowns.

We are much improved this year. While 9-7 this year might not sound like a dominating percentage, it

I was just thinking the same thing yesterday. This time last year it sucked to be a BEast fan. We were getting killed. What a difference a year makes. No one can make fun of us any more (with any legitimacy).

I forgot to wipe this morning.

[quote="KnightLight"][quote="CatsClaw"][quote="stevej5"][quote="CardHouse"]All OOC wins in general are good, but our real measuring stick is how we do against other BCS conferences\Notre Dame.

Last season, we were a dismal 4-11 against BCS conferences\Notre Dame, with the 11 losses being by an average of 2 touchdowns.

We are much improved this year. While 9-7 this year might not sound like a dominating percentage, it

Let's see what happens when the season ends. The bowl games will be the true test.

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I think you have to remember that since the Big East has to play FIVE non-conf games...and many BE teams have played FOUR non-conf games already...while many SEC and ACC teams already have played 2 Conf Games...and many still have 1-2 OOC games left.

KL

I pointed that out since many Conferences have already played two conference games...while most in the Big East have played FOUR non-conference games each...which means...more chances at winning non-conf games.

Example: 8 SEC Teams have played 2 Conference Games.

6 ACC Teams have played 2 Conference Games.

While the Big East has only played one conference game TOTAL so far (Pitt at Cinci).

Maybe some moderator just slipped up and didn't bother reading the post.

KnightLight Wrote:This comment was deleted?

I think you have to remember that since the Big East has to play FIVE non-conf games...and many BE teams have played FOUR non-conf games already...while many SEC and ACC teams already have played 2 Conf Games...and many still have 1-2 OOC games left.

KL

I pointed that out since many Conferences have already played two conference games...while the Big East has played FOUR Conference games each...which means...more chances at winning.

Example: 8 SEC Teams have played 2 Conference Games.

6 ACC Teams have played 2 Conference Games.

While the Big East has only played one conference game TOTAL so far (Pitt at Cinci).

Maybe some moderator just slipped up and didn't bother reading the post.

That still doesn't explain why the other so called Big Six aren't playing alleged "better" competition then the Big East or have those teams on their schedule. People are ripping the Big East's schedule, yet are cutting the other conferences slack. I guess because they can't let go of the bashing.

I think you may be missing something....

Last year (2005), the Big East was an unknown conference.

Louisville was expected to move up but were they an elite team?
West Virginia was picked to win the conference but they were not expected to be as good as Boston College, Miami, or Virginia Tech (the teams that left fot the ACC).
Rutgers did not have much success recently.
How would Connecticut compete?
Syracuse and Pitt made good hires but their success was not expected last year.
Cincinnati got a new coach.
Was South Florida for real? Could they compete?

The Big East survived last year and West Virginia's rise helped gain credibility.

This year, the media was better prepared to make a judgement on the conference.

chess Wrote:I think you may be missing something....

Last year (2005), the Big East was an unknown conference.

Louisville was expected to move up but were they an elite team?
West Virginia was picked to win the conference but they were not expected to be as good as Boston College, Miami, or Virginia Tech (the teams that left fot the ACC).
Rutgers did not have much success recently.
How would Connecticut compete?
Syracuse and Pitt made good hires but their success was not expected last year.
Cincinnati got a new coach.
Was South Florida for real? Could they compete?

The Big East survived last year and West Virginia's rise helped gain credibility.

This year, the media was better prepared to make a judgement on the conference.

Last year, 2005, WV was not picked to win the conference. They were an afterthought, maybe at best 4th place after Louisville, Pitt and maybe Syracuse. Both Louisville and Pitt were ranked preseason. WV was not. Louisville was expected to be as good as or better than BC and VT last year. The reason that noone was picking WV is because their team was made up of mostly freshmen and sophomores. They surprised everyone.

CatsClaw Wrote:

KnightLight Wrote:This comment was deleted?

I think you have to remember that since the Big East has to play FIVE non-conf games...and many BE teams have played FOUR non-conf games already...while many SEC and ACC teams already have played 2 Conf Games...and many still have 1-2 OOC games left.

KL

I pointed that out since many Conferences have already played two conference games...while the Big East has played FOUR Conference games each...which means...more chances at winning.

Example: 8 SEC Teams have played 2 Conference Games.

6 ACC Teams have played 2 Conference Games.

While the Big East has only played one conference game TOTAL so far (Pitt at Cinci).

Maybe some moderator just slipped up and didn't bother reading the post.

That still doesn't explain why the other so called Big Six aren't playing alleged "better" competition then the Big East or have those teams on their schedule. People are ripping the Big East's schedule, yet are cutting the other conferences slack. I guess because they can't let go of the bashing.

Well...I think the reason why some get a pass are:

1) Many have a non-conf BCS Rival (i.e. USC vs ND, FSU vs UF, South Carolina vs Clemson, Georgia vs Georgia Tech, etc...), while others play National non-conf BCS games (like UL did with Miami, like FSU has in many years not including UF game--FSU plays Alabama as well next year, OSU vs Texas, etc...

2) Many of the other Big 6 will have played 4, even 5 ranked opponents in their Conference...whereas till just this week, UL and WVU were the only ranked Big East Teams...and UL was the only ranked team on WVU's 12 game schedule (till Rutgers got ranked).

3) Just look at who UF has/had to play 5 out of 6 games:

At Tennessee
Home to Alabama
Home to LSU
At Auburn
Vs Georgia in Jacksonville

Currently, the Big East doesn't have that type of strength...but it might over time.

KL

KnightLight Wrote:

CatsClaw Wrote:

KnightLight Wrote:This comment was deleted?

I think you have to remember that since the Big East has to play FIVE non-conf games...and many BE teams have played FOUR non-conf games already...while many SEC and ACC teams already have played 2 Conf Games...and many still have 1-2 OOC games left.

KL

I pointed that out since many Conferences have already played two conference games...while the Big East has played FOUR Conference games each...which means...more chances at winning.

Example: 8 SEC Teams have played 2 Conference Games.

6 ACC Teams have played 2 Conference Games.

While the Big East has only played one conference game TOTAL so far (Pitt at Cinci).

Maybe some moderator just slipped up and didn't bother reading the post.

That still doesn't explain why the other so called Big Six aren't playing alleged "better" competition then the Big East or have those teams on their schedule. People are ripping the Big East's schedule, yet are cutting the other conferences slack. I guess because they can't let go of the bashing.

Well...I think the reason why some get a pass are:

1) Many have a non-conf BCS Rival (i.e. USC vs ND, FSU vs UF, South Carolina vs Clemson, Georgia vs Georgia Tech, etc...), while others play National non-conf BCS games (like UL did with Miami, like FSU has in many years not including UF game--FSU plays Alabama as well next year, OSU vs Texas, etc...

2) Many of the other Big 6 will have played 4, even 5 ranked opponents in their Conference...whereas till just this week, UL and WVU were the only ranked Big East Teams...and UL was the only ranked team on WVU's 12 game schedule (till Rutgers got ranked).

3) Just look at who UF has/had to play 5 out of 6 games:

At Tennessee
Home to Alabama
Home to LSU
At Auburn
Vs Georgia in Jacksonville

Currently, the Big East doesn't have that type of strength...but it might over time.

KL

As long as the BE stays at 8, I dont believe that our league will ever have that type of stregnth because we dont have enough teams to give it that kind of depth. At the most I see maximum 4 teams being ranked from the BE. That could happen this year if the Cards fall right.

So the BE plays more bcs teams than the other leagues to compensate for the supposed weakness of our league. The schools in our league have always had to do that because our league was so small. But take a look at the percentages of ranked teams per league and you will see that the BE is right there with the other bcs leagues, even ahead of a couple.

CatsClaw Wrote:People are ripping the Big East's schedule, yet are cutting the other conferences slack. I guess because they can't let go of the bashing.

No, it makes sense, for the same reason that it makes sense for say VT to be ranked in the top 25 for going 4-0 vs. a soft schedule while it *doesn't* make sense for Rutgers to be in the top 25 for going 4-0 vs. a soft schedule: VT has a proven track record of being a national power, so they merit the benefit of the doubt. Rutgers is a historic dormat, so they have to prove themselves by beating tough teams.

Likewise, other BCS conferences (with the arguable exception of the ACC) have proven themselves, this new Big East has not. So it doesn't merit the same respect until it wins big OOC games.

So far, the only one that even remotely qualifies is UL > Miami, but maybe not even that, depending on how Miami's season shakes out.

cuseroc Wrote:So the BE plays more bcs teams than the other leagues to compensate for the supposed weakness of our league.

Playing a "bcs" team means little if that team is indiana, kentucky, duke, etc. because every conference has its doormats.

A doormat is a doormat whether they happen to be in a "bcs league" or not.

stevej5 Wrote:

CatsClaw Wrote:People are ripping the Big East's schedule, yet are cutting the other conferences slack. I guess because they can't let go of the bashing.

No, it makes sense, for the same reason that it makes sense for say VT to be ranked in the top 25 for going 4-0 vs. a soft schedule while it *doesn't* make sense for Rutgers to be in the top 25 for going 4-0 vs. a soft schedule: VT has a proven track record of being a national power, so they merit the benefit of the doubt. Rutgers is a historic dormat, so they have to prove themselves by beating tough teams.

Likewise, other BCS conferences (with the arguable exception of the ACC) have proven themselves, this new Big East has not. So it doesn't merit the same respect until it wins big OOC games.

So far, the only one that even remotely qualifies is UL > Miami, but maybe not even that, depending on how Miami's season shakes out.

Hello Mr. Alleged South Florida fan how are you today! Rutgers is in the Top 25, sucks for you! Three Big East teams in the Top 25, HAHAHAHA! The Big East has proven themselves. I know you hate it but they have. A legit BCS conference. Just sit back and enjoy friend because nothing is going to change anytime soon! Oh, did I tell you that the Big East has THREE Top 25 teams? Wow!

stevej5 Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:So the BE plays more bcs teams than the other leagues to compensate for the supposed weakness of our league.

Playing a "bcs" team means little if that team is indiana, kentucky, duke, etc. because every conference has its doormats.

A doormat is a doormat whether they happen to be in a "bcs league" or not.

How about Kansas State, Miami, Maryland, Iowa, Virginia Tech and Ohio State? The Big East went 3-3 against those teams, and all of those teams have won conference championships at some point in the last 5 to 7 years and pretty much all of them have been to a BCS bowl.

CatsClaw Wrote:Hello Mr. Alleged South Florida fan how are you today! Rutgers is in the Top 25, sucks for you! Three Big East teams in the Top 25, HAHAHAHA! The Big East has proven themselves. I know you hate it but they have. A legit BCS conference. Just sit back and enjoy friend because nothing is going to change anytime soon! Oh, did I tell you that the Big East has THREE Top 25 teams? Wow!

How can the BE be a legit BCS conference without any track record of real success vs. other top BCS teams?

Go Bulls! Beat Rutgers!