(03-17-2014 03:26 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:20 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:18 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 02:05 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 01:52 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Idiotic talking points my arse. You can't possibly prove what will happen in the future. My proof is that there are thousands of companies out there that aren't unionized and the employees are happy.

but the point is that the majority of the companies will not belong to that category. the tragedy of the commons/free rider problem affect the company-worker relationship just as much at it affects the union-worker relationship.

it takes incredible ignorance to assume without union protections that companies will not place more burdens on their workers. that goes against the very core principles of capitalism.

Yeah, we saw that with Volkswagen, you know, how the employees were terrified about being chained to their work station with little or no pay, so they voted in a union....NOT!

Also, the drop in union membership over the last few decades is again proof that I'm right and you're clueless.

like i said earlier you want to point to a minority of examples and act like that is how things are like for the majority.

John - do you belong to a union?

I believe the answer will be no. I believe Johnboy is in college.

(03-17-2014 03:38 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:26 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:20 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:18 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 02:05 PM)john01992 Wrote:  but the point is that the majority of the companies will not belong to that category. the tragedy of the commons/free rider problem affect the company-worker relationship just as much at it affects the union-worker relationship.

it takes incredible ignorance to assume without union protections that companies will not place more burdens on their workers. that goes against the very core principles of capitalism.

Yeah, we saw that with Volkswagen, you know, how the employees were terrified about being chained to their work station with little or no pay, so they voted in a union....NOT!

Also, the drop in union membership over the last few decades is again proof that I'm right and you're clueless.

like i said earlier you want to point to a minority of examples and act like that is how things are like for the majority.

John - do you belong to a union?

I believe the answer will be no. I believe Johnboy is in college.

Well fudge, that explains a lot.

Earlier I received a PM telling me I was getting crushed in this union debate. Unreal.

Edit: never mind, he was kidding.

(03-17-2014 03:42 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Earlier I received a PM telling me I was getting crushed in this union debate. Unreal.

Union thug?

(03-17-2014 03:42 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Earlier I received a PM telling me I was getting crushed in this union debate. Unreal.

from who?

(03-17-2014 03:30 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:21 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:20 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:18 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 02:05 PM)john01992 Wrote:  but the point is that the majority of the companies will not belong to that category. the tragedy of the commons/free rider problem affect the company-worker relationship just as much at it affects the union-worker relationship.

it takes incredible ignorance to assume without union protections that companies will not place more burdens on their workers. that goes against the very core principles of capitalism.

Yeah, we saw that with Volkswagen, you know, how the employees were terrified about being chained to their work station with little or no pay, so they voted in a union....NOT!

Also, the drop in union membership over the last few decades is again proof that I'm right and you're clueless.

like i said earlier you want to point to a minority of examples and act like that is how things are like for the majority.

The majority of companies and employees in this country are not unionized. Speaks volumes.

of the 50 states + DC.

the top 25 states by union membership, 22 of them do not have RTW. of the bottom 26 all but 5 of them are RTW states including every state in the bottom 16.

i think that speaks volumes.

(Reuters) - Labor union membership as a percentage of the U.S. work force stabilized at 11.3 percent in 2013 after several years of declines, government figures showed on Friday Link

So nearly 89% of the labor force is wrong, mistreated and abused and too afraid to say anything about it? What?

(03-17-2014 03:37 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:31 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:26 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:19 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:17 PM)Paul M Wrote:  I've lost nothing. I'm against slaughtering helpless innocent babies. I could care less about this bill, it's stated/unstated goal or intended/unintended consequences.

You're for lighting the furnaces.

Keep fighting your fight and I'll fight mine.

alright. just don't stick to troll talking points. at least bring up points that can be debated.

that way when i disagree with you politically I can actually understand where you are coming from and have at the very least a little bit of respect for you.

I'm pretty consistent on this topic. Don't know where any misunderstanding would come from. Have no idea why you keep calling peoples beliefs trolling.

if you don't understand how that was a troll talking point then that just proves how dumb you are.

Trolling is arguing a procedure that results in a 50% death rate is safe.

it is an argument that......

1. is 100% opinion

2. is not based on any medical or legal rationale

3. an argument that would not hold any weight in a research paper or in judicial/congressional testimony

so when you take something like and try to compare it to documented and researched facts it is effectively a troll argument.

(03-17-2014 03:43 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:42 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Earlier I received a PM telling me I was getting crushed in this union debate. Unreal.

Union thug?

(03-17-2014 03:44 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:42 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Earlier I received a PM telling me I was getting crushed in this union debate. Unreal.

from who?

When he saw this he told me he was kidding and told me a story about a less than worthwhile union worker.

(03-17-2014 03:47 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  (Reuters) - Labor union membership as a percentage of the U.S. work force stabilized at 11.3 percent in 2013 after several years of declines, government figures showed on Friday Link

So nearly 89% of the labor force is wrong, mistreated and abused and too afraid to say anything about it? What?

No 89% are ungrateful bstrds who live off the "hard work" done by public employee union reps...

(03-17-2014 04:18 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:47 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  (Reuters) - Labor union membership as a percentage of the U.S. work force stabilized at 11.3 percent in 2013 after several years of declines, government figures showed on Friday Link

So nearly 89% of the labor force is wrong, mistreated and abused and too afraid to say anything about it? What?

No 89% are ungrateful bstrds who live off the "hard work" done by public employee union reps...

Yeah, that's what the left is trying to have us believe.

(03-17-2014 03:50 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:37 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:31 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:26 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:19 PM)john01992 Wrote:  alright. just don't stick to troll talking points. at least bring up points that can be debated.

that way when i disagree with you politically I can actually understand where you are coming from and have at the very least a little bit of respect for you.

I'm pretty consistent on this topic. Don't know where any misunderstanding would come from. Have no idea why you keep calling peoples beliefs trolling.

if you don't understand how that was a troll talking point then that just proves how dumb you are.

Trolling is arguing a procedure that results in a 50% death rate is safe.

it is an argument that......

1. is 100% opinion

2. is not based on any medical or legal rationale

3. an argument that would not hold any weight in a research paper or in judicial/congressional testimony

so when you take something like and try to compare it to documented and researched facts it is effectively a troll argument.

John - answer the question - Do you belong to a union, have you ever belonged to a union?

(03-17-2014 05:03 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:50 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:37 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:31 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:26 PM)Paul M Wrote:  I'm pretty consistent on this topic. Don't know where any misunderstanding would come from. Have no idea why you keep calling peoples beliefs trolling.

if you don't understand how that was a troll talking point then that just proves how dumb you are.

Trolling is arguing a procedure that results in a 50% death rate is safe.

it is an argument that......

1. is 100% opinion

2. is not based on any medical or legal rationale

3. an argument that would not hold any weight in a research paper or in judicial/congressional testimony

so when you take something like and try to compare it to documented and researched facts it is effectively a troll argument.

John - answer the question - Do you belong to a union, have you ever belonged to a union?

someone else already answered it for you genius. and if you go back a couple of pages in the thread I already admitting that I am a college student.

It's always cute how leftist repeat ad nauseam "unicorns. Ah ha, I win".

(03-17-2014 05:04 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 05:03 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:50 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:37 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:31 PM)john01992 Wrote:  if you don't understand how that was a troll talking point then that just proves how dumb you are.

Trolling is arguing a procedure that results in a 50% death rate is safe.

it is an argument that......

1. is 100% opinion

2. is not based on any medical or legal rationale

3. an argument that would not hold any weight in a research paper or in judicial/congressional testimony

so when you take something like and try to compare it to documented and researched facts it is effectively a troll argument.

John - answer the question - Do you belong to a union, have you ever belonged to a union?

someone else already answered it for you genius. and if you go back a couple of pages in the thread I already admitting that I am a college student.

So - what you're saying is that you have no firsthand knowledge about how unions operate, that fair? I guess I'm a little surprised with how staunch your support of unions is without any real knowledge. You have a professor that spouts the union mantra?

(03-17-2014 08:20 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 05:04 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 05:03 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:50 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:37 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Trolling is arguing a procedure that results in a 50% death rate is safe.

it is an argument that......

1. is 100% opinion

2. is not based on any medical or legal rationale

3. an argument that would not hold any weight in a research paper or in judicial/congressional testimony

so when you take something like and try to compare it to documented and researched facts it is effectively a troll argument.

John - answer the question - Do you belong to a union, have you ever belonged to a union?

someone else already answered it for you genius. and if you go back a couple of pages in the thread I already admitting that I am a college student.

So - what you're saying is that you have no firsthand knowledge about how unions operate, that fair? I guess I'm a little surprised with how staunch your support of unions is without any real knowledge. You have a professor that spouts the union mantra?

You asked him a question that only required a one word answer and he gave you almost 30 words and still no answer. He's a little immature for a college kid, isn't he?

The lone wolf eats mice. The pack eats venison.

(03-17-2014 08:58 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The lone wolf eats mice. The pack eats venison.

If the pack had rights they could vote on what's for dinner.

(03-17-2014 08:58 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The lone wolf eats mice. The pack eats venison.

You talking about unions, the mafia, or just gangs in general?