(03-27-2014 11:03 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I hate to derail the riveting Dayton discussion, but more tweets from the OP's source went up today.

MHver3 ‏@MHver3 · 3h
Hearing that any talks of conference mergers are not necessarily about $$ but more about survival. Major upheaval coming

MHver3 ‏@MHver3 · 3h
I also heard that the number of schools discussed was 36. Not sure who that leaves out or why.

MHver3 ‏@MHver3 · 3h
6 pods of 6 teams under one conference umbrella and shared TV revenue with the same governing body for all.

I don't think that leaves anyone out. I think it adds 7 more slots.

The SEC has 14. The ACC has 11 Southern schools. The Big 12 has 6 between Texas and Oklahoma and West Virginia to make 7. That's 32 schools right there.

The Big 10 has 14. The PAC has 12. Boston College, Pitt, and Syracuse plus Kansas, Kansas State and Iowa State make the Big 10 a 32 team conference. Depending upon where Notre Dame tosses their little green cap that makes 33. Seven schools that are not in already would be included. Connecticut, B.Y.U., Cincinnati in addition to N.D. gives the Big 10 36 schools.

Depending upon what they want down South E.C.U., U.S.F., Central Florida, Houston, are the largest public schools not already included. If privates are in the mix then Tulane and Rice are AAU.

But I think something like that would be your starting point. Maybe a few privates drop out. Maybe Kansas and Kansas State stay with Oklahoma and Texas. But by moving to two conferences of 36 the Big 10 and SEC essentially keep one another from being a monopoly especially if one is predominantly under FOX and the other under ESPN direction. Moving outside the NCAA gives them the flexibility they will need to navigate the current player's rights court cases and the new Union aspects arising from Northwestern. Outside of the NCAA they are free to maximize profits for basketball and baseball as well.

Should players become "employees" of the university in a for profit sport it could even impact Title 9 since you cannot compel an entity into a losing business venture. It will be interesting to see.

As to 6 divisions of 6 you would simply have an 8 team playoff for the conference championship. Six divisional champions and the two best at large would play it off with the champion playing the Big 10 champ for the title. All playoff revenue stays in house. No polls, no computers, no committees, just football being decided on the field. The break down of teams is not as important as the format. It will be interesting to see what happens.

(03-27-2014 11:10 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(03-27-2014 11:03 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I hate to derail the riveting Dayton discussion, but more tweets from the OP's source went up today.

MHver3 ‏@MHver3 · 3h
Hearing that any talks of conference mergers are not necessarily about $$ but more about survival. Major upheaval coming

MHver3 ‏@MHver3 · 3h
I also heard that the number of schools discussed was 36. Not sure who that leaves out or why.

MHver3 ‏@MHver3 · 3h
6 pods of 6 teams under one conference umbrella and shared TV revenue with the same governing body for all.

Interesting that 36 is the number. The PAC and Big 12 would have to be involved if that is the number...

ACC - 14 plus partial ND
SEC - 14
Big 12 - 10
PAC - 12
B1G - 14

The tweeter probably read my insightful analysis before he posted that 36 was the number.

(03-27-2014 11:08 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-27-2014 03:39 AM)john01992 Wrote:  Southern Conference:
merger of b12, acc, & sec

East:
wvu, uva, vtech, duke, wake forest, ncsu, unc, vandy, clemson, Scar.

Central:
Miami, FSU, florida, georgia, gtech, kentucky, louisville, tennessee, alabama, auburn

West: Ole Miss, Miss St. LSU, Arkansas, Texas, texas A&M, Ttech, OU, Okie St. Kansas st.

you can rename the divisions southwest, southeast, & atlantic coast as a tribute to their past history. personally I think it breaks down extremely well and wouldn't piss off a whole lot of schools with this setup.

it is 3 divisions of 10 which pretty much means that unless they want to go to 10 games....this setup is really 3 separate conferences who have their champions play each other.

conference playoffs 3 "division" winners + an at large

FYI: I don't see the SEC expanding like this without the b10 poaching mizz hence the reason I didn't include them. but if you did want to include them swap em for KSU.

That's a good start, but there are some major flaws with this plan. The biggest one is with the Big 12. Their tv deal includes "shared custody" of football between ESPN and Fox. You have also cut out 8 schools, who are likely to keep that tied up in court for a long time.

A solution to that would be to get the Big 12 to legally dissolve (I'm assuming that such an action would void their current contract). I believe that would take 8 votes. If you got all the state schools, you have the votes, and if Baylor and TCU are the only casualties you can stand the political fallout better than if somebody like K State didn't make the cut.

That takes you to 36 schools, which I would divide into four nine team divisions. Here is where I would make an unconventional alignment choice. Instead of making sure that natural in-state rivals are in the same division, I would make sure they aren't. That sounds suicidal, but hear me out. These are my four divisions:

Texas, OU, WVU, Texas Tech, Kansas, Miss St, Missouri, Auburn, LSU

Pitt, Louisville, UVa, UNC, Duke, BC, Miami, Clemson, Vanderbilt

NC State, Wake, Ga Tech, FSU, S Carolina, Tennessee, VT, KY, Syracuse

Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Ole Miss, Arkansas, OK St, A&M, K State, Iowa St

Everybody plays a balanced four home, four away division schedule, which is completed by the week before Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving weekend is set aside for the in-state rivalry games, giving ESPN three days of blockbuster regional programming. You have your Iron Bowl, Texas - TAMU, Florida-FSU, UNC-NCSU, Pitt-West Virginia, Clemson-South Carolina, etc, etc. All 36 schools are paired off this way, and the games would not affect division standings.

The following week, the four divisional champions host the four highest ranked non-champs without regard to division. Since these champs have been decided the week before Thanksgiving, they have two weeks to prepare to host. It would be very rare but possible that a team not ranked among the top 8 would make this conference playoff field.

The next week, two of the four winners play in the Orange Bowl and the other two in the Cotton Bowl. The two finalists meet on New Year's Day in the Sugar Bowl, with the winner to play the Rose Bowl winner between the B1G and PAC 12 for the undisputed national championship.

With this configuration of schools, almost all long-standing rivals would play each other every year in the 8 game division schedule plus the T'giving weekend game, and you still have three games available to schedule however you want. You could even schedule a second team from one of the other divisions as an OOC game if you want. Pitt-Syracuse and UNC-Wake Forest would be options here.

Competitively, you have put both the B1G and the PAC 12 on separate islands. You have the B1G virtually surrounded, and make it very hard for them to compete for recruits in the talent-rich area of Florida, Texas and Louisiana.

As for getting around current NCAA rules about conference configurations and championship games, this mega conference can tell the NCAA what the rules are, not the other way around. Nobody has to leave the NCAA and its lucrative basketball tournament to make it work.

I'm not sure where this leaves ND, championship-wise, but then I'm not sure I care about that very much. Maybe the B1G and PAC would give them a chance to participate in a playoff scenario of their own.

Why do you have Baylor as one of the left out schools? Baylor just won the Big 12 in football and have both Men's and Women's basketball teams in the Sweet 16. TCU I understand, but Baylor is one of the better programs in the Big 12 and has been for the last 4-5 years.

Guys. Talking about anything from MHVer is a waste of time. Spending your time looking for aliens would be of better use.

Can't believe people are actually taking MHVer seriously. Newsflash: he's full of ****.

(03-27-2014 01:34 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(03-27-2014 11:08 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-27-2014 03:39 AM)john01992 Wrote:  Southern Conference:
merger of b12, acc, & sec

East:
wvu, uva, vtech, duke, wake forest, ncsu, unc, vandy, clemson, Scar.

Central:
Miami, FSU, florida, georgia, gtech, kentucky, louisville, tennessee, alabama, auburn

West: Ole Miss, Miss St. LSU, Arkansas, Texas, texas A&M, Ttech, OU, Okie St. Kansas st.

you can rename the divisions southwest, southeast, & atlantic coast as a tribute to their past history. personally I think it breaks down extremely well and wouldn't piss off a whole lot of schools with this setup.

it is 3 divisions of 10 which pretty much means that unless they want to go to 10 games....this setup is really 3 separate conferences who have their champions play each other.

conference playoffs 3 "division" winners + an at large

FYI: I don't see the SEC expanding like this without the b10 poaching mizz hence the reason I didn't include them. but if you did want to include them swap em for KSU.

That's a good start, but there are some major flaws with this plan. The biggest one is with the Big 12. Their tv deal includes "shared custody" of football between ESPN and Fox. You have also cut out 8 schools, who are likely to keep that tied up in court for a long time.

A solution to that would be to get the Big 12 to legally dissolve (I'm assuming that such an action would void their current contract). I believe that would take 8 votes. If you got all the state schools, you have the votes, and if Baylor and TCU are the only casualties you can stand the political fallout better than if somebody like K State didn't make the cut.

That takes you to 36 schools, which I would divide into four nine team divisions. Here is where I would make an unconventional alignment choice. Instead of making sure that natural in-state rivals are in the same division, I would make sure they aren't. That sounds suicidal, but hear me out. These are my four divisions:

Texas, OU, WVU, Texas Tech, Kansas, Miss St, Missouri, Auburn, LSU

Pitt, Louisville, UVa, UNC, Duke, BC, Miami, Clemson, Vanderbilt

NC State, Wake, Ga Tech, FSU, S Carolina, Tennessee, VT, KY, Syracuse

Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Ole Miss, Arkansas, OK St, A&M, K State, Iowa St

Everybody plays a balanced four home, four away division schedule, which is completed by the week before Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving weekend is set aside for the in-state rivalry games, giving ESPN three days of blockbuster regional programming. You have your Iron Bowl, Texas - TAMU, Florida-FSU, UNC-NCSU, Pitt-West Virginia, Clemson-South Carolina, etc, etc. All 36 schools are paired off this way, and the games would not affect division standings.

The following week, the four divisional champions host the four highest ranked non-champs without regard to division. Since these champs have been decided the week before Thanksgiving, they have two weeks to prepare to host. It would be very rare but possible that a team not ranked among the top 8 would make this conference playoff field.

The next week, two of the four winners play in the Orange Bowl and the other two in the Cotton Bowl. The two finalists meet on New Year's Day in the Sugar Bowl, with the winner to play the Rose Bowl winner between the B1G and PAC 12 for the undisputed national championship.

With this configuration of schools, almost all long-standing rivals would play each other every year in the 8 game division schedule plus the T'giving weekend game, and you still have three games available to schedule however you want. You could even schedule a second team from one of the other divisions as an OOC game if you want. Pitt-Syracuse and UNC-Wake Forest would be options here.

Competitively, you have put both the B1G and the PAC 12 on separate islands. You have the B1G virtually surrounded, and make it very hard for them to compete for recruits in the talent-rich area of Florida, Texas and Louisiana.

As for getting around current NCAA rules about conference configurations and championship games, this mega conference can tell the NCAA what the rules are, not the other way around. Nobody has to leave the NCAA and its lucrative basketball tournament to make it work.

I'm not sure where this leaves ND, championship-wise, but then I'm not sure I care about that very much. Maybe the B1G and PAC would give them a chance to participate in a playoff scenario of their own.

Why do you have Baylor as one of the left out schools? Baylor just won the Big 12 in football and have both Men's and Women's basketball teams in the Sweet 16. TCU I understand, but Baylor is one of the better programs in the Big 12 and has been for the last 4-5 years.

Only because I don't think they would have as many other schools protecting their interests. If you go by athletic relevance, there is no question that Wake Forest would (and should) probably be the first to get cut. But Wake would have powerful protectors who wouldn't (IMO) let that happen. Which of the Big 12 schools, if they thought the 36 team concept was a good idea for them, would be willing to scuttle the deal to protect Baylor?

(03-27-2014 01:55 PM)ken d Wrote:  Only because I don't think they would have as many other schools protecting their interests. If you go by athletic relevance, there is no question that Wake Forest would (and should) probably be the first to get cut. But Wake would have powerful protectors who wouldn't (IMO) let that happen. Which of the Big 12 schools, if they thought the 36 team concept was a good idea for them, would be willing to scuttle the deal to protect Baylor?

None. UT, Tech, and A&M attempted to leave Baylor behind twice in the past 4 years...and on both occasions the Texas legislature agreed to stay out of the way.

(03-27-2014 03:51 PM)FreshPrinceOfDarkness Wrote:  

(03-27-2014 01:55 PM)ken d Wrote:  Only because I don't think they would have as many other schools protecting their interests. If you go by athletic relevance, there is no question that Wake Forest would (and should) probably be the first to get cut. But Wake would have powerful protectors who wouldn't (IMO) let that happen. Which of the Big 12 schools, if they thought the 36 team concept was a good idea for them, would be willing to scuttle the deal to protect Baylor?

None. UT, Tech, and A&M attempted to leave Baylor behind twice in the past 4 years...and on both occasions the Texas legislature agreed to stay out of the way.

The man speaks the truth.

If tomorrow morning UT and Tech announced that they were accepting bids to a new conference, not a thing would be done to stop them just because Baylor (and TCU) was getting left behind.

I think this guy just busy trying to build his tweeter following, acting like he knows something.

Guys...will say it again although I know it wont do any good. Guys like mhver are the misinformation agents of other individuals....at best.

I know everyone is on edge for the calm before the storm to end. Something IS happening but I guarantee you this, mhver wont be the one to break the news to you.

Folks just want to ramp up discussion across the net so that tidbits get back to certain individuals. That is all.

(03-29-2014 09:43 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

Guys...will say it again although I know it wont do any good. Guys like mhver are the misinformation agents of other individuals....at best.

I know everyone is on edge for the calm before the storm to end. Something IS happening but I guarantee you this, mhver wont be the one to break the news to you.

Folks just want to ramp up discussion across the net so that tidbits get back to certain individuals. That is all.

I think he likes to throw stuff out there periodically just to get people talking. I'll bite even though I think there is a better chance of UMass joining the Big 10 in the next 2 years than any of this happening.

Let's say you have 2 groups of 36. There are 65 P5 schools now. Who gets added if they are working together?
Locks
BYU
UConn
Strong probable
Cincinnati (only 1 school in Ohio now)
New Mexico (good bb support, no school in state)
UNLV (good bb support no school in state
Most likely
Houston (Houston, Cincy, Temple and UConn were class A in the BE
TV contract)
Temple

ECU, UCF and USF get left out because of numbers already in their state. SDSU and Hawaii don't fit geographically as Pac 12 will mostly stay together. Boise is too much of a newbie. Military academies can't compete at the very top level. Memphis and Tulane just miss the cut.

(03-29-2014 10:19 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-29-2014 09:43 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

Guys...will say it again although I know it wont do any good. Guys like mhver are the misinformation agents of other individuals....at best.

I know everyone is on edge for the calm before the storm to end. Something IS happening but I guarantee you this, mhver wont be the one to break the news to you.

Folks just want to ramp up discussion across the net so that tidbits get back to certain individuals. That is all.

I think he likes to throw stuff out there periodically just to get people talking. I'll bite even though I think there is a better chance of UMass joining the Big 10 in the next 2 years than any of this happening.

Let's say you have 2 groups of 36. There are 65 P5 schools now. Who gets added if they are working together?
Locks
BYU
UConn
Strong probable
Cincinnati (only 1 school in Ohio now)
New Mexico (good bb support, no school in state)
UNLV (good bb support no school in state
Most likely
Houston (Houston, Cincy, Temple and UConn were class A in the BE
TV contract)
Temple

ECU, UCF and USF get left out because of numbers already in their state. SDSU and Hawaii don't fit geographically as Pac 12 will mostly stay together. Boise is too much of a newbie. Military academies can't compete at the very top level. Memphis and Tulane just miss the cut.

I don't see the two groups of 36 happening. I see the talk of that happening as a scare tactic for those that are stalling the current process that is actually happening.

So the north group would include:
Pac 12 as is
Big 10-adds Iowa St., loses PSU, Maryland, Rutgers to "Northeast"
Northeast-PSU, Maryland, Rutgers, West Virginia, BC, SU, Notre Dame, Louisville, Pitt, UConn, Cincinnati, Temple

South group
SEC minus SC and Vandy who join ACC
ACC adds SC & Vandy, gives up BC,SU,UL,Pitt
Big 12 adds UNLV, BYU, UNM, Houston, gives up ISU and WVU

Again-this is a thought exercise, not anything I believe has any chance of happening.

(03-29-2014 10:20 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-29-2014 10:19 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-29-2014 09:43 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

Guys...will say it again although I know it wont do any good. Guys like mhver are the misinformation agents of other individuals....at best.

I know everyone is on edge for the calm before the storm to end. Something IS happening but I guarantee you this, mhver wont be the one to break the news to you.

Folks just want to ramp up discussion across the net so that tidbits get back to certain individuals. That is all.

I think he likes to throw stuff out there periodically just to get people talking. I'll bite even though I think there is a better chance of UMass joining the Big 10 in the next 2 years than any of this happening.

Let's say you have 2 groups of 36. There are 65 P5 schools now. Who gets added if they are working together?
Locks
BYU
UConn
Strong probable
Cincinnati (only 1 school in Ohio now)
New Mexico (good bb support, no school in state)
UNLV (good bb support no school in state
Most likely
Houston (Houston, Cincy, Temple and UConn were class A in the BE
TV contract)
Temple

ECU, UCF and USF get left out because of numbers already in their state. SDSU and Hawaii don't fit geographically as Pac 12 will mostly stay together. Boise is too much of a newbie. Military academies can't compete at the very top level. Memphis and Tulane just miss the cut.

I don't see the two groups of 36 happening. I see the talk of that happening as a scare tactic for those that are stalling the current process that is actually happening.

Who do you think is stalling and what are they stalling? NCAA restructure? I don't think the G5 are the holdup.

(03-29-2014 10:35 AM)bullet Wrote:  So the north group would include:
Pac 12 as is
Big 10-adds Iowa St., loses PSU, Maryland, Rutgers to "Northeast"
Northeast-PSU, Maryland, Rutgers, West Virginia, BC, SU, Notre Dame, Louisville, Pitt, UConn, Cincinnati, Temple

South group
SEC minus SC and Vandy who join ACC
ACC adds SC & Vandy, gives up BC,SU,UL,Pitt
Big 12 adds UNLV, BYU, UNM, Houston, gives up ISU and WVU

Again-this is a thought exercise, not anything I believe has any chance of happening.

No need to add or subtract anyone, because there's no need to have two groups of identical size.

Pac-12 and Big Ten would be in one group. SEC and ACC would be in the other. Big 12 could go into either one, or be divided between the two groups. Maybe others are added, maybe not.

But given that the current SEC and Big Ten won't want to share money equally with others in their group, it might be that each "group" would be a loose affiliation of existing conferences so that each conference can keep its own TV and sponsorship deals.

Or maybe it would be the beginning of an inevitable "thinning the herd" process in which the biggest of the big boys decide they don't want to cut equal slices, maybe not any slices, for those in their own leagues with less TV value.

The best idea is for the big 10 to just expand to 60 or 70 with 6 or 7 divisions of 10, case closed that one body runs everything even staying within the ncaa. You got a network, governance and an 8 team football playoff among division winners. Of course, that isn't really politically or culturally likely. However, i could see it get to two organizations a big 10 and an sec split among fox and espn each with a network. Having such a rivalry might work better for the football playoff when the eventually champ of the big 10 meets the sec champ. The trick is how the big 10 and sec carve up the acc, pac 12, and big 12. The pac 12 is easy to carve up, just put all the original pac 10 members in 10 team division under the big 10 banner. The hard part to carve up is texas, ND and the crown jewels of the acc, unc and ova….i'd put texas and Florida state in the big 10 with UVA and UNC going to sec. ND would need to join the big 10 or be on the outside.

(03-29-2014 12:03 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(03-29-2014 10:35 AM)bullet Wrote:  So the north group would include:
Pac 12 as is
Big 10-adds Iowa St., loses PSU, Maryland, Rutgers to "Northeast"
Northeast-PSU, Maryland, Rutgers, West Virginia, BC, SU, Notre Dame, Louisville, Pitt, UConn, Cincinnati, Temple

South group
SEC minus SC and Vandy who join ACC
ACC adds SC & Vandy, gives up BC,SU,UL,Pitt
Big 12 adds UNLV, BYU, UNM, Houston, gives up ISU and WVU

Again-this is a thought exercise, not anything I believe has any chance of happening.

No need to add or subtract anyone, because there's no need to have two groups of identical size.

Pac-12 and Big Ten would be in one group. SEC and ACC would be in the other. Big 12 could go into either one, or be divided between the two groups. Maybe others are added, maybe not.

But given that the current SEC and Big Ten won't want to share money equally with others in their group, it might be that each "group" would be a loose affiliation of existing conferences so that each conference can keep its own TV and sponsorship deals.

Or maybe it would be the beginning of an inevitable "thinning the herd" process in which the biggest of the big boys decide they don't want to cut equal slices, maybe not any slices, for those in their own leagues with less TV value.

There is a simpler more logical explanation for the rumor. ESPN's lawyers and those of the ACC realize that the information subpoenaed by Maryland will eventually lead to a reduction of exit fees and or the erosion of the efficacy of the GOR. ESPN then supersedes the conference's interest in that ESPN desires to hold onto property that it has acquired through legal contract and chooses not to lose to FOX or the Big 10. Therefore the second most secure of ESPN's holdings are in the SEC. A merger with the SEC would keep the ACC schools that want one another's company together, would open back up the contracts that ESPN has with all of its properties and permit them to make adjustments that make FOX overtures less attractive. The Big 12 gets inserted into the rumor because of ESPN's special interest in Kansas and Texas and the need to include 8 Big 12 schools to be able to dissolve that conference.

The move to 36 or whatever (I'm not sure there would be a set number in this case) would be simply an ESPN consolidation of property and it would vastly reduce their overhead in terms of having the LHN, SECN, and a proposed ACCN while increasing their content value and their stranglehold over the largest market footprint in combination with two of the most rabid fan bases in the nation (Big 12 and SEC). As long as all of the schools make more than they would have in just their own conference it's a win win win and nobody gets their panties in a wad about it.

To make the move and dissolve two conferences 12 schools from the ACC would have to be involved and at least 8 from the Big 12. That would make for 34 schools. That leaves two spots to resolve differences.

If Baylor, Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State and West Virginia came aboard from the Big 12 that's 9. If Louisville, Virginia, Virginia Tech, N.C. State, North Carolina, Duke, Wake Forest, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami, Florida State, and Pittsburgh come on board from the ACC that leaves 1 open slot. If Notre Dame takes it fine. If Syracuse wants it fine. But if the first two would prefer the Big 10 then it's open for T.C.U. If Pitt opts out then a school like Rice or Tulane could pick it up.

The issue here is that as far as national markets go in a divided environment in which FOX becomes aggressive ESPN maintains control over Football, and Baseball, and gains more than equal share of basketball by making such a move. A new single contract then binds that region for the next 20 years. That's long enough to get the Mouse past whatever changes are coming in the football world via O'Bannon, NW and the unions, concussions, or whatever changes may come elsewhere in the cable industry.

Believe me if such a move came to fruition it would have absolutely nothing to do with conferences, or Mike Slive, making a power move. The SEC would simply be the beneficiary of being the most legally stable and defensible destination in which to house network properties and it's as simple as that.

The surfacing of this rumor sounds like the kind of thing that gets leaked when contingencies for dealing with the ACC lawsuit are being worked out. You can't sue a conference that no longer exists, you can't blame the SEC as a neighboring conference for expanding in its own interests, Maryland gets out for nothing, the Big 10 likely picks up B.C., Syracuse, Pitt, and possibly Notre Dame and then maybe FOX loosens the major bucks to encourage a Big 10 union with the PAC.

The upside of this is that it might better position college football for a playoff structure free of political interference by polls, computers, and committees, position the top 64 to 72 schools for a breakaway and new governance with a more flexible structure for dealing with the changing environment than the NCAA, and allow a structure more conducive to consensus for governance.

And while all these law suits, requests for alternate division/CCG permutations, and cloak and dagger antics are playing out, Texas is AGAIN really playing everyone as UT takes its intact Longhorn network and 7 of its BigXii friends over to the PAC where Larry Scott curses the day he didn't just accept UT's demands in the original Texahoma 4 negotiations. Stoned Colorado students see their school in the BigXII again and think they've invented time travel. When Utah is moved to the BigXII division, BYU redeclares independence just to make sure nobody forgets about them.

(03-29-2014 02:42 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  And while all these law suits, requests for alternate division/CCG permutations, and cloak and dagger antics are playing out, Texas is AGAIN really playing everyone as UT takes its intact Longhorn network and 7 of its BigXii friends over to the PAC where Larry Scott curses the day he didn't just accept UT's demands in the original Texahoma 4 negotiations. Stoned Colorado students see their school in the BigXII again and think they've invented time travel. When Utah is moved to the BigXII division, BYU redeclares independence just to make sure nobody forgets about them.

Yeah, too bad Bevo has a 15 million dollar a year leash around his neck that stays on until June 30th of 2031.

If the B1G, PAC and B12 all merge, thats 36 teams in 3x12 leagues largely intact (Hey UMD and Rutgers, guess where you're actually going now! Hint: WVU is finally off the island and Ames is lovely this time of year!)