Eagle78
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Why not UConn to the ACC/B10?
(04-02-2014 04:23 PM)UConnHusky Wrote: (04-02-2014 03:40 PM)Eagle78 Wrote: (04-02-2014 02:49 PM)UConnHusky Wrote: (04-02-2014 02:17 PM)Eagle78 Wrote: (04-02-2014 12:04 PM)UConnHusky Wrote: Eagle78, am I the fellow UConn fan that you reference? I said that BC fancies itself the equivalent of Harvard and that BC isn't that far ahead of UConn. I stand by that assertion.
You pulled out the USN&WR rankings showing:
Harvard #2
BC #31
UConn #57
Then, you referred to the distance between BC and UConn on this list as "a gulf". If you calculate the simple math, the difference is 26. Of the 2400 or so colleges in the United States on this list, you are 26 ahead of us. In reality, there really isn't a gulf between Harvard and UConn when you put it in perspective. Harvard is 55 schools "better" than UConn out of 2400 total schools? I will take it!
As my fellow UConn poster told you, BC and UConn have separate missions. UConn is a major PUBLIC research university. The admissions rate at UConn would never be allowed to be as selective as BC's due to UConn's mission as a public university. It can't be compared apples to apples.
Next time, learn how to evaluate data better. BC being 26 schools "better" than UConn doesn't actually mean that you are smarter than all UConn grads (regardless of what mommy and Father Leahy told you).
Let me ask you a question, is it possible for us to have a discussion without you being an insufferable jerk (read your last paragraph)?
In any event, let me retort:
You missed my entire point. Let me copy what I said in my earlier post:
"Well, since you brought up rankings, 2014 USN&WR comparisons:
#2: Harvard
#31: Boston College (29 places below Harvard)
#57: Uconn (26 places behind Boston College)
How is BC, only "slightly better" than Uconn, from a ratings perspective, since the gulf between BC and Uconn is almost as much as the one between Harvard and BC??
If "BC isn't exactly Harvard" as you say, then, by your logic, Uconn isn't exactly BC, no?"
I was responding to your statement that BC "isn't exactly" Harvard, yet Uconn and BC are similar from a rankings persepctive. My limited point here was that if you are going to say that BC and Uconn are similar from a rankings perspective, which you did, then isn't the same true of BC and Harvard since the "gulf" between BC and Harvard is only slightly bigger than "gulf" BC and Uconn?
You cite 2400 schools in the universe and claim that 26 or 29 spots is not that signifcant, which, of course would be true if that were the basis of the comparison. However, we are talking about the Survey of National Universities - not the regional/liberal arts schools in the other USN&WR surveys. We are also talking about only those "National Universities" with published rankings - of which there are 201 listed (there are many others that are not published). Of 201 schools, 26 and 29 spots IS significant, IMO. Is that perfect comparison? Absolutely not, IMO; but it is the only data we have in this instance.
Bottom line, you said two things: (1) "BC isn't exactly Harvard", and (2) Uconn and BC are similar from a rankings perspective. My basic question, which you seemed to have missed: If you believe the latter statement is true, then why isn't the former statement equally as true since the "gulf" is almost identical (26 and 29) in both cases?? (Keeping in mind, you were the one that brought up rankings.)
I am only being an insufferable jerk because you are being the usual pompous BC fan who thinks that your school is THAT much better than UConn when it really isn’t. I am also being a jerk since you are misquoting me.
Where did I say that “UConn and BC are similar from a ratings perspective”. Go back to that thread and reply to it here as proof. Go ahead. You can’t go back and quote it, because I never said that. I may have said something to the degree of they are “not far off”.. which is true. Although if I DID say it, it would be true, too. 26 spots on that list doesn’t mean squat.
Once again, reading comprehension master, I never said that there were “2400 schools in the universe”. I am just saying that there were dozens of pages of national university rankings. BC being 26 spots in front of UConn doesn’t mean all that much. Sorry to burst your “wannabe-Ivy-League” bubble, but it really doesn’t. So, congratulations…. I will acknowledge that BC is 26 spots better when it comes to being a great place to be a history or English major. UConn is a major research university. Anyone choosing a science background would be crazy to pick a small Catholic school over a major state research university.
Bottom line: I said : 1) BC isn’t exactly Harvard. This is TRUE. Once again, Harvard and BC have a similar missions as private schools, so I can do an "apples to apples" comparison. As I will say for at least the third time, UCONN IS A LARGE STATE UNIVERSITY THAT CATERS TO THE NEEDS OF CONNECTICUT RESIDENTS AS IT IS TAXPAYER FUNDED. Get it now?
I never said #2.
So, let’s review. Why was I an insufferable jerk in my last paragraph? First off, you called me out for something that I didn’t say. Second, you twisted my words. Third, you exude that pompous and condescending attitude that BC fans have (which is why UConn fans hate you). If you had replied to my initial post in a nicer fashion, I wouldn’t have to be an insufferable jerk. However, arrogant and condescending is the BC way.
Lighten up Francis....
I have not insulted you or Uconn in any of these exchanges, yet, you have managed to personally attack me, BC, Fr. Leahy, everyone associated with BC, and my mother of all people!
Dude, I didn't "twist your words". You DID mentioned 2400 schools. Here is what you said:
"Of the 2400 or so colleges in the United States on this list, you are 26 ahead of us." Yes, you didn't say "2400 schools in the universe", but you said pretty much the same thing.
You also said: "Academically, BC is slightly better than Uconn from a ratings perspective." You then went on to say that "26 spots doesn't mean squat". Dude, that pretty much means you do feel that BC and Uconn were similar from a ratings perspective. I certainly didn't misrepresent your views on this. If so, tell me how? I am all ears.
You think BC is only highly respected due to its "English Majors". You do know that they have highly respected business schools (both Undergrad and Grad), Sciences (Chemistry, etc, again both Undergrad and Grad), Education, Nursing, etc. All of those get factored into the Undergrad and Grad rankings.
It might surprise you to know that I have a great deal of respect for Uconn and what they have accomplished. Being a BC fan and respecting Uconn is not mutually exclusive. What I don't do is INITIATE threads touting my school by slamming or demeaning others (in this case, BC) as you have did in initiating this whole conversation.
Look, it's pretty clear that you just hate BC. All BC people, in your world, are "arrogant and condecending". ("Arrogant and condescending is the BC way." - YOUR EXACT words.) I get it. This hatred prevents us from having rationale discourse. Its unfortunate. I enjoy my exchanges with Melky and Whaler. We can disagree and still be civil. Unfortunately, that does not seem to be the case here.
A civil reply! I am impressed. Likewise, I will now be civil as I was just matching your tone. Anyway, we can agree to disagree about the gigantic academic chasm that exists between BC and UConn. I have put it behind me.
Anyway, I never attacked your mom or Father Leahy (I just joked that they made you feel special for attending BC). Sorry if that hurt your feelings. It was just a joke after all.
Anyway, Melky and Whaler are great guys on here. However, I can be more abrasive than them at times since sometimes I just cut straight to the point. I am a Bostonian through and through, so I don't mince words.
Fair enough, Uconnhusky. I understand your "mommy" comments were a joke; but you need to understand why a 57 year old might perceive that as an insult, that's all.
I also get the abrasive part. I am a Bostonian as well. But, FWIW, I think if we all lighten up on the abrasiveness and focus on understanding one another, we would all be better off. (OK, now I will get off my soapbox!)
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