(04-02-2014 02:49 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 02:17 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 12:04 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 05:52 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 05:23 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  Thank you for your family and extending family's opinion.

And schools shouldn't be compared, departments should. Most people would consider UVA "superior" to VaTech, but if you want to be an engineer you would be stupid to pick UVA over VaTech.

Not an unreasonable point, Whaler. However, the point that John and I have responded to was the one made by your fellow Uconn fan who was comparing BC and Uconn overall; not the departments within each.

Eagle78, am I the fellow UConn fan that you reference? I said that BC fancies itself the equivalent of Harvard and that BC isn't that far ahead of UConn. I stand by that assertion.

You pulled out the USN&WR rankings showing:
Harvard #2
BC #31
UConn #57

Then, you referred to the distance between BC and UConn on this list as "a gulf". If you calculate the simple math, the difference is 26. Of the 2400 or so colleges in the United States on this list, you are 26 ahead of us. In reality, there really isn't a gulf between Harvard and UConn when you put it in perspective. Harvard is 55 schools "better" than UConn out of 2400 total schools? I will take it!

As my fellow UConn poster told you, BC and UConn have separate missions. UConn is a major PUBLIC research university. The admissions rate at UConn would never be allowed to be as selective as BC's due to UConn's mission as a public university. It can't be compared apples to apples.

Next time, learn how to evaluate data better. BC being 26 schools "better" than UConn doesn't actually mean that you are smarter than all UConn grads (regardless of what mommy and Father Leahy told you).

Let me ask you a question, is it possible for us to have a discussion without you being an insufferable jerk (read your last paragraph)?

In any event, let me retort:

You missed my entire point. Let me copy what I said in my earlier post:

"Well, since you brought up rankings, 2014 USN&WR comparisons:
#2: Harvard
#31: Boston College (29 places below Harvard)
#57: Uconn (26 places behind Boston College)

How is BC, only "slightly better" than Uconn, from a ratings perspective, since the gulf between BC and Uconn is almost as much as the one between Harvard and BC??

If "BC isn't exactly Harvard" as you say, then, by your logic, Uconn isn't exactly BC, no?"

I was responding to your statement that BC "isn't exactly" Harvard, yet Uconn and BC are similar from a rankings persepctive. My limited point here was that if you are going to say that BC and Uconn are similar from a rankings perspective, which you did, then isn't the same true of BC and Harvard since the "gulf" between BC and Harvard is only slightly bigger than "gulf" BC and Uconn?

You cite 2400 schools in the universe and claim that 26 or 29 spots is not that signifcant, which, of course would be true if that were the basis of the comparison. However, we are talking about the Survey of National Universities - not the regional/liberal arts schools in the other USN&WR surveys. We are also talking about only those "National Universities" with published rankings - of which there are 201 listed (there are many others that are not published). Of 201 schools, 26 and 29 spots IS significant, IMO. Is that perfect comparison? Absolutely not, IMO; but it is the only data we have in this instance.

Bottom line, you said two things: (1) "BC isn't exactly Harvard", and (2) Uconn and BC are similar from a rankings perspective. My basic question, which you seemed to have missed: If you believe the latter statement is true, then why isn't the former statement equally as true since the "gulf" is almost identical (26 and 29) in both cases?? (Keeping in mind, you were the one that brought up rankings.)

I am only being an insufferable jerk because you are being the usual pompous BC fan who thinks that your school is THAT much better than UConn when it really isn’t. I am also being a jerk since you are misquoting me.

Where did I say that “UConn and BC are similar from a ratings perspective”. Go back to that thread and reply to it here as proof. Go ahead. You can’t go back and quote it, because I never said that. I may have said something to the degree of they are “not far off”.. which is true. Although if I DID say it, it would be true, too. 26 spots on that list doesn’t mean squat.

Once again, reading comprehension master, I never said that there were “2400 schools in the universe”. I am just saying that there were dozens of pages of national university rankings. BC being 26 spots in front of UConn doesn’t mean all that much. Sorry to burst your “wannabe-Ivy-League” bubble, but it really doesn’t. So, congratulations…. I will acknowledge that BC is 26 spots better when it comes to being a great place to be a history or English major. UConn is a major research university. Anyone choosing a science background would be crazy to pick a small Catholic school over a major state research university.

Bottom line: I said : 1) BC isn’t exactly Harvard. This is TRUE. Once again, Harvard and BC have a similar missions as private schools, so I can do an "apples to apples" comparison. As I will say for at least the third time, UCONN IS A LARGE STATE UNIVERSITY THAT CATERS TO THE NEEDS OF CONNECTICUT RESIDENTS AS IT IS TAXPAYER FUNDED. Get it now?

I never said #2.

So, let’s review. Why was I an insufferable jerk in my last paragraph? First off, you called me out for something that I didn’t say. Second, you twisted my words. Third, you exude that pompous and condescending attitude that BC fans have (which is why UConn fans hate you). If you had replied to my initial post in a nicer fashion, I wouldn’t have to be an insufferable jerk. However, arrogant and condescending is the BC way.

Lighten up Francis....

I have not insulted you or Uconn in any of these exchanges, yet, you have managed to personally attack me, BC, Fr. Leahy, everyone associated with BC, and my mother of all people!

Dude, I didn't "twist your words". You DID mentioned 2400 schools. Here is what you said:
"Of the 2400 or so colleges in the United States on this list, you are 26 ahead of us." Yes, you didn't say "2400 schools in the universe", but you said pretty much the same thing.

You also said: "Academically, BC is slightly better than Uconn from a ratings perspective." You then went on to say that "26 spots doesn't mean squat". Dude, that pretty much means you do feel that BC and Uconn were similar from a ratings perspective. I certainly didn't misrepresent your views on this. If so, tell me how? I am all ears.

You think BC is only highly respected due to its "English Majors". You do know that they have highly respected business schools (both Undergrad and Grad), Sciences (Chemistry, etc, again both Undergrad and Grad), Education, Nursing, etc. All of those get factored into the Undergrad and Grad rankings.

It might surprise you to know that I have a great deal of respect for Uconn and what they have accomplished. Being a BC fan and respecting Uconn is not mutually exclusive. What I don't do is INITIATE threads touting my school by slamming or demeaning others (in this case, BC) as you have did in initiating this whole conversation.

Look, it's pretty clear that you just hate BC. All BC people, in your world, are "arrogant and condecending". ("Arrogant and condescending is the BC way." - YOUR EXACT words.) I get it. This hatred prevents us from having rationale discourse. Its unfortunate. I enjoy my exchanges with Melky and Whaler. We can disagree and still be civil. Unfortunately, that does not seem to be the case here.

Yep This One has it All. Big12 vs ACC, UConn vs BC, Pitt vs WVU, UL vs UK..............Next !

(04-02-2014 11:33 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  Do Louisville folks ever stop talking about UK? Will this statement below take care of it? Feel free to quote it any time it is useful:

"The University of Kentucky is exactly like every major public university. We have a percentage that are liars, cheaters, dumb T-shirt fans, arrogant jerks, legacy kids that get their way because of family tradition and money, and some who claim to represent the school and have no idea what they are talking about."

If you want to argue the degree of any of these statements, feel free to collect objective data and present it, and then people will still respond that they don't care. I beg of you, let us go. Imagine Louisville is Kate Winslet, UK is Leo DiCaprio, and you have to let us go in order for you to save yourself and move on with your lives. Unfortunately, I feel like you will respond with the famous line "I'll never let go".

So what happened? The schools started playing each other in football? Or is it just UL internet fans? The fan bases definitely used to like and root for each other.

(04-02-2014 04:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 11:33 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  Do Louisville folks ever stop talking about UK? Will this statement below take care of it? Feel free to quote it any time it is useful:

"The University of Kentucky is exactly like every major public university. We have a percentage that are liars, cheaters, dumb T-shirt fans, arrogant jerks, legacy kids that get their way because of family tradition and money, and some who claim to represent the school and have no idea what they are talking about."

If you want to argue the degree of any of these statements, feel free to collect objective data and present it, and then people will still respond that they don't care. I beg of you, let us go. Imagine Louisville is Kate Winslet, UK is Leo DiCaprio, and you have to let us go in order for you to save yourself and move on with your lives. Unfortunately, I feel like you will respond with the famous line "I'll never let go".

So what happened? The schools started playing each other in football? Or is it just UL internet fans? The fan bases definitely used to like and root for each other.

Crazy talking heads on both sides...both fan bases now just bash each other and it is tiring...

Myself...not a Kentucky hater...rival yes but after we play on the court or field not really a concern with me...

(04-02-2014 03:40 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 02:49 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 02:17 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 12:04 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 05:52 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  Not an unreasonable point, Whaler. However, the point that John and I have responded to was the one made by your fellow Uconn fan who was comparing BC and Uconn overall; not the departments within each.

Eagle78, am I the fellow UConn fan that you reference? I said that BC fancies itself the equivalent of Harvard and that BC isn't that far ahead of UConn. I stand by that assertion.

You pulled out the USN&WR rankings showing:
Harvard #2
BC #31
UConn #57

Then, you referred to the distance between BC and UConn on this list as "a gulf". If you calculate the simple math, the difference is 26. Of the 2400 or so colleges in the United States on this list, you are 26 ahead of us. In reality, there really isn't a gulf between Harvard and UConn when you put it in perspective. Harvard is 55 schools "better" than UConn out of 2400 total schools? I will take it!

As my fellow UConn poster told you, BC and UConn have separate missions. UConn is a major PUBLIC research university. The admissions rate at UConn would never be allowed to be as selective as BC's due to UConn's mission as a public university. It can't be compared apples to apples.

Next time, learn how to evaluate data better. BC being 26 schools "better" than UConn doesn't actually mean that you are smarter than all UConn grads (regardless of what mommy and Father Leahy told you).

Let me ask you a question, is it possible for us to have a discussion without you being an insufferable jerk (read your last paragraph)?

In any event, let me retort:

You missed my entire point. Let me copy what I said in my earlier post:

"Well, since you brought up rankings, 2014 USN&WR comparisons:
#2: Harvard
#31: Boston College (29 places below Harvard)
#57: Uconn (26 places behind Boston College)

How is BC, only "slightly better" than Uconn, from a ratings perspective, since the gulf between BC and Uconn is almost as much as the one between Harvard and BC??

If "BC isn't exactly Harvard" as you say, then, by your logic, Uconn isn't exactly BC, no?"

I was responding to your statement that BC "isn't exactly" Harvard, yet Uconn and BC are similar from a rankings persepctive. My limited point here was that if you are going to say that BC and Uconn are similar from a rankings perspective, which you did, then isn't the same true of BC and Harvard since the "gulf" between BC and Harvard is only slightly bigger than "gulf" BC and Uconn?

You cite 2400 schools in the universe and claim that 26 or 29 spots is not that signifcant, which, of course would be true if that were the basis of the comparison. However, we are talking about the Survey of National Universities - not the regional/liberal arts schools in the other USN&WR surveys. We are also talking about only those "National Universities" with published rankings - of which there are 201 listed (there are many others that are not published). Of 201 schools, 26 and 29 spots IS significant, IMO. Is that perfect comparison? Absolutely not, IMO; but it is the only data we have in this instance.

Bottom line, you said two things: (1) "BC isn't exactly Harvard", and (2) Uconn and BC are similar from a rankings perspective. My basic question, which you seemed to have missed: If you believe the latter statement is true, then why isn't the former statement equally as true since the "gulf" is almost identical (26 and 29) in both cases?? (Keeping in mind, you were the one that brought up rankings.)

I am only being an insufferable jerk because you are being the usual pompous BC fan who thinks that your school is THAT much better than UConn when it really isn’t. I am also being a jerk since you are misquoting me.

Where did I say that “UConn and BC are similar from a ratings perspective”. Go back to that thread and reply to it here as proof. Go ahead. You can’t go back and quote it, because I never said that. I may have said something to the degree of they are “not far off”.. which is true. Although if I DID say it, it would be true, too. 26 spots on that list doesn’t mean squat.

Once again, reading comprehension master, I never said that there were “2400 schools in the universe”. I am just saying that there were dozens of pages of national university rankings. BC being 26 spots in front of UConn doesn’t mean all that much. Sorry to burst your “wannabe-Ivy-League” bubble, but it really doesn’t. So, congratulations…. I will acknowledge that BC is 26 spots better when it comes to being a great place to be a history or English major. UConn is a major research university. Anyone choosing a science background would be crazy to pick a small Catholic school over a major state research university.

Bottom line: I said : 1) BC isn’t exactly Harvard. This is TRUE. Once again, Harvard and BC have a similar missions as private schools, so I can do an "apples to apples" comparison. As I will say for at least the third time, UCONN IS A LARGE STATE UNIVERSITY THAT CATERS TO THE NEEDS OF CONNECTICUT RESIDENTS AS IT IS TAXPAYER FUNDED. Get it now?

I never said #2.

So, let’s review. Why was I an insufferable jerk in my last paragraph? First off, you called me out for something that I didn’t say. Second, you twisted my words. Third, you exude that pompous and condescending attitude that BC fans have (which is why UConn fans hate you). If you had replied to my initial post in a nicer fashion, I wouldn’t have to be an insufferable jerk. However, arrogant and condescending is the BC way.

Lighten up Francis....

I have not insulted you or Uconn in any of these exchanges, yet, you have managed to personally attack me, BC, Fr. Leahy, everyone associated with BC, and my mother of all people!

Dude, I didn't "twist your words". You DID mentioned 2400 schools. Here is what you said:
"Of the 2400 or so colleges in the United States on this list, you are 26 ahead of us." Yes, you didn't say "2400 schools in the universe", but you said pretty much the same thing.

You also said: "Academically, BC is slightly better than Uconn from a ratings perspective." You then went on to say that "26 spots doesn't mean squat". Dude, that pretty much means you do feel that BC and Uconn were similar from a ratings perspective. I certainly didn't misrepresent your views on this. If so, tell me how? I am all ears.

You think BC is only highly respected due to its "English Majors". You do know that they have highly respected business schools (both Undergrad and Grad), Sciences (Chemistry, etc, again both Undergrad and Grad), Education, Nursing, etc. All of those get factored into the Undergrad and Grad rankings.

It might surprise you to know that I have a great deal of respect for Uconn and what they have accomplished. Being a BC fan and respecting Uconn is not mutually exclusive. What I don't do is INITIATE threads touting my school by slamming or demeaning others (in this case, BC) as you have did in initiating this whole conversation.

Look, it's pretty clear that you just hate BC. All BC people, in your world, are "arrogant and condecending". ("Arrogant and condescending is the BC way." - YOUR EXACT words.) I get it. This hatred prevents us from having rationale discourse. Its unfortunate. I enjoy my exchanges with Melky and Whaler. We can disagree and still be civil. Unfortunately, that does not seem to be the case here.

A civil reply! I am impressed. Likewise, I will now be civil as I was just matching your tone. Anyway, we can agree to disagree about the gigantic academic chasm that exists between BC and UConn. I have put it behind me.

Anyway, I never attacked your mom or Father Leahy (I just joked that they made you feel special for attending BC). Sorry if that hurt your feelings. It was just a joke after all.

Anyway, Melky and Whaler are great guys on here. However, I can be more abrasive than them at times since sometimes I just cut straight to the point. I am a Bostonian through and through, so I don't mince words.

(04-02-2014 11:50 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 11:33 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  Do Louisville folks ever stop talking about UK? Will this statement below take care of it? Feel free to quote it any time it is useful:

"The University of Kentucky is exactly like every major public university. We have a percentage that are liars, cheaters, dumb T-shirt fans, arrogant jerks, legacy kids that get their way because of family tradition and money, and some who claim to represent the school and have no idea what they are talking about."

If you want to argue the degree of any of these statements, feel free to collect objective data and present it, and then people will still respond that they don't care. I beg of you, let us go. Imagine Louisville is Kate Winslet, UK is Leo DiCaprio, and you have to let us go in order for you to save yourself and move on with your lives. Unfortunately, I feel like you will respond with the famous line "I'll never let go".

As a Louisville fan I have to agree...many on both sides worry about the other instead of celebrating what they have done...

Exactly! By the way, I was in your fair city for the weekend and had a great time. Hillbilly Tea has become a favorite. My girlfriend and I have gone each of our last 3 visits to Louisville.

(04-02-2014 04:14 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 04:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 11:33 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  Do Louisville folks ever stop talking about UK? Will this statement below take care of it? Feel free to quote it any time it is useful:

"The University of Kentucky is exactly like every major public university. We have a percentage that are liars, cheaters, dumb T-shirt fans, arrogant jerks, legacy kids that get their way because of family tradition and money, and some who claim to represent the school and have no idea what they are talking about."

If you want to argue the degree of any of these statements, feel free to collect objective data and present it, and then people will still respond that they don't care. I beg of you, let us go. Imagine Louisville is Kate Winslet, UK is Leo DiCaprio, and you have to let us go in order for you to save yourself and move on with your lives. Unfortunately, I feel like you will respond with the famous line "I'll never let go".

So what happened? The schools started playing each other in football? Or is it just UL internet fans? The fan bases definitely used to like and root for each other.

Crazy talking heads on both sides...both fan bases now just bash each other and it is tiring...

Myself...not a Kentucky hater...rival yes but after we play on the court or field not really a concern with me...

Yes, there are absolutely insufferable people on both sides of UK and UL. To loosely quote Clay Travis in his analysis of Alabama fans, it is the 85% that are the problem. The 85% are the, shall we say, shallow end of the pool that neither attended the school they would "die" for or graduated from an equivalent (small private school or other state school without major athletics that offered a better opportunity than attending the big state school, so they default to their big school of choice for state pride's sake). The 15% are the ones who are alumni of the school or went to an equivalent (explained above), and this group is almost never the problem. The 85% are the ones that get UK 2014 Championship tattoos, a majority of their entire wardrobe is school gear or at least the exact school color, and live to bash every other school's fanbase, especially the in state rival.

I agree with Pitino that is was cruel for the selection committee to have UK and UL pitted in the Sweet 16. I pull for Louisville until they play Kentucky or another SEC school (UK > SEC > Louisville > everyone else > ad infinitum to include all future schools in all galaxies > Duke). UK and UL being on top of their game is great for the Commonwealth, so why not root for each other when we can?

(04-02-2014 04:40 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 04:14 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 04:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 11:33 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  Do Louisville folks ever stop talking about UK? Will this statement below take care of it? Feel free to quote it any time it is useful:

"The University of Kentucky is exactly like every major public university. We have a percentage that are liars, cheaters, dumb T-shirt fans, arrogant jerks, legacy kids that get their way because of family tradition and money, and some who claim to represent the school and have no idea what they are talking about."

If you want to argue the degree of any of these statements, feel free to collect objective data and present it, and then people will still respond that they don't care. I beg of you, let us go. Imagine Louisville is Kate Winslet, UK is Leo DiCaprio, and you have to let us go in order for you to save yourself and move on with your lives. Unfortunately, I feel like you will respond with the famous line "I'll never let go".

So what happened? The schools started playing each other in football? Or is it just UL internet fans? The fan bases definitely used to like and root for each other.

Crazy talking heads on both sides...both fan bases now just bash each other and it is tiring...

Myself...not a Kentucky hater...rival yes but after we play on the court or field not really a concern with me...

Yes, there are absolutely insufferable people on both sides of UK and UL. To loosely quote Clay Travis in his analysis of Alabama fans, it is the 85% that are the problem. The 85% are the, shall we say, shallow end of the pool that neither attended the school they would "die" for or graduated from an equivalent (small private school or other state school without major athletics that offered a better opportunity than attending the big state school, so they default to their big school of choice for state pride's sake). The 15% are the ones who are alumni of the school or went to an equivalent (explained above), and this group is almost never the problem. The 85% are the ones that get UK 2014 Championship tattoos, a majority of their entire wardrobe is school gear or at least the exact school color, and live to bash every other school's fanbase, especially the in state rival.

I agree with Pitino that is was cruel for the selection committee to have UK and UL pitted in the Sweet 16. I pull for Louisville until they play Kentucky or another SEC school (UK > SEC > Louisville > everyone else > ad infinitum to include all future schools in all galaxies > Duke). UK and UL being on top of their game is great for the Commonwealth, so why not root for each other when we can?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This!!!!....stated in a Facebook post....the past 4 years either UofL/UK or both have been in the Final Four...both programs are at a Elite Level in regards to the NCAA Tournament with the number of National Titles/Final Four Appearances.

But both fan bases and many others have the "Walmart Alums"...it is what it is...

(04-02-2014 04:40 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 04:14 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 04:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 11:33 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  Do Louisville folks ever stop talking about UK? Will this statement below take care of it? Feel free to quote it any time it is useful:

"The University of Kentucky is exactly like every major public university. We have a percentage that are liars, cheaters, dumb T-shirt fans, arrogant jerks, legacy kids that get their way because of family tradition and money, and some who claim to represent the school and have no idea what they are talking about."

If you want to argue the degree of any of these statements, feel free to collect objective data and present it, and then people will still respond that they don't care. I beg of you, let us go. Imagine Louisville is Kate Winslet, UK is Leo DiCaprio, and you have to let us go in order for you to save yourself and move on with your lives. Unfortunately, I feel like you will respond with the famous line "I'll never let go".

So what happened? The schools started playing each other in football? Or is it just UL internet fans? The fan bases definitely used to like and root for each other.

Crazy talking heads on both sides...both fan bases now just bash each other and it is tiring...

Myself...not a Kentucky hater...rival yes but after we play on the court or field not really a concern with me...

Yes, there are absolutely insufferable people on both sides of UK and UL. To loosely quote Clay Travis in his analysis of Alabama fans, it is the 85% that are the problem. The 85% are the, shall we say, shallow end of the pool that neither attended the school they would "die" for or graduated from an equivalent (small private school or other state school without major athletics that offered a better opportunity than attending the big state school, so they default to their big school of choice for state pride's sake). The 15% are the ones who are alumni of the school or went to an equivalent (explained above), and this group is almost never the problem. The 85% are the ones that get UK 2014 Championship tattoos, a majority of their entire wardrobe is school gear or at least the exact school color, and live to bash every other school's fanbase, especially the in state rival.

I agree with Pitino that is was cruel for the selection committee to have UK and UL pitted in the Sweet 16. I pull for Louisville until they play Kentucky or another SEC school (UK > SEC > Louisville > everyone else > ad infinitum to include all future schools in all galaxies > Duke). UK and UL being on top of their game is great for the Commonwealth, so why not root for each other when we can?

I remember in 75 the whole state was excited that they might meet in the title game until Wooden messed it up. The UK fans were pretty much rooting for UL after losing in the 80s in that NCAA tourney game.

(04-02-2014 10:26 AM)Tbringer Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 10:14 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 08:31 AM)Tbringer Wrote:  Link to Pitt being contacted by the Big 12 before West Virginia was please. This appears to fall under myth as most stories from ACC fans do. Again, Link?

Has been linked multiple times on this board.

You lack knowledge, facts and common sense, as all dude disciple kooks do.

I don't lack anything, but you obviously do.
Of the links you provided, the first- says for the first time the BIG 12 expansion committee mentioned Pitt--no mention of an invitation there.

The second link says Pitt has become the latest name to possibly be considered, and follows up with"There also have been reports the Big 12 might return to 12 teams by adding some combination of Notre Dame, Pitt, West Virginia and BYU."
http://www.tulsaworld.com/archives/dave-...6be01.html

The third link talks about names being heard about as expansion candidates.

No offers. No mention of offer before, during or after West Virginia. No refusal of offer. Still waiting for your evidence-which of course doesn't exist.

You may need to gain some reading comprehension before you blabber about who lacks what or who knows what.

You said contacted, not a formal invitation, which never occurs publicly before parties agree on acceptance.

I can assure you of the fact Pitt was targeted before WVU. Pitt tried to get WVU into a package deal with them to go to the B12 before the ACC invite. Heck, Pitt actually recommended WVU and Rutgers as potential partners to the ACC.

I'd call you stupid, but it is self evident.

(04-02-2014 04:23 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 03:40 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 02:49 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 02:17 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 12:04 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  Eagle78, am I the fellow UConn fan that you reference? I said that BC fancies itself the equivalent of Harvard and that BC isn't that far ahead of UConn. I stand by that assertion.

You pulled out the USN&WR rankings showing:
Harvard #2
BC #31
UConn #57

Then, you referred to the distance between BC and UConn on this list as "a gulf". If you calculate the simple math, the difference is 26. Of the 2400 or so colleges in the United States on this list, you are 26 ahead of us. In reality, there really isn't a gulf between Harvard and UConn when you put it in perspective. Harvard is 55 schools "better" than UConn out of 2400 total schools? I will take it!

As my fellow UConn poster told you, BC and UConn have separate missions. UConn is a major PUBLIC research university. The admissions rate at UConn would never be allowed to be as selective as BC's due to UConn's mission as a public university. It can't be compared apples to apples.

Next time, learn how to evaluate data better. BC being 26 schools "better" than UConn doesn't actually mean that you are smarter than all UConn grads (regardless of what mommy and Father Leahy told you).

Let me ask you a question, is it possible for us to have a discussion without you being an insufferable jerk (read your last paragraph)?

In any event, let me retort:

You missed my entire point. Let me copy what I said in my earlier post:

"Well, since you brought up rankings, 2014 USN&WR comparisons:
#2: Harvard
#31: Boston College (29 places below Harvard)
#57: Uconn (26 places behind Boston College)

How is BC, only "slightly better" than Uconn, from a ratings perspective, since the gulf between BC and Uconn is almost as much as the one between Harvard and BC??

If "BC isn't exactly Harvard" as you say, then, by your logic, Uconn isn't exactly BC, no?"

I was responding to your statement that BC "isn't exactly" Harvard, yet Uconn and BC are similar from a rankings persepctive. My limited point here was that if you are going to say that BC and Uconn are similar from a rankings perspective, which you did, then isn't the same true of BC and Harvard since the "gulf" between BC and Harvard is only slightly bigger than "gulf" BC and Uconn?

You cite 2400 schools in the universe and claim that 26 or 29 spots is not that signifcant, which, of course would be true if that were the basis of the comparison. However, we are talking about the Survey of National Universities - not the regional/liberal arts schools in the other USN&WR surveys. We are also talking about only those "National Universities" with published rankings - of which there are 201 listed (there are many others that are not published). Of 201 schools, 26 and 29 spots IS significant, IMO. Is that perfect comparison? Absolutely not, IMO; but it is the only data we have in this instance.

Bottom line, you said two things: (1) "BC isn't exactly Harvard", and (2) Uconn and BC are similar from a rankings perspective. My basic question, which you seemed to have missed: If you believe the latter statement is true, then why isn't the former statement equally as true since the "gulf" is almost identical (26 and 29) in both cases?? (Keeping in mind, you were the one that brought up rankings.)

I am only being an insufferable jerk because you are being the usual pompous BC fan who thinks that your school is THAT much better than UConn when it really isn’t. I am also being a jerk since you are misquoting me.

Where did I say that “UConn and BC are similar from a ratings perspective”. Go back to that thread and reply to it here as proof. Go ahead. You can’t go back and quote it, because I never said that. I may have said something to the degree of they are “not far off”.. which is true. Although if I DID say it, it would be true, too. 26 spots on that list doesn’t mean squat.

Once again, reading comprehension master, I never said that there were “2400 schools in the universe”. I am just saying that there were dozens of pages of national university rankings. BC being 26 spots in front of UConn doesn’t mean all that much. Sorry to burst your “wannabe-Ivy-League” bubble, but it really doesn’t. So, congratulations…. I will acknowledge that BC is 26 spots better when it comes to being a great place to be a history or English major. UConn is a major research university. Anyone choosing a science background would be crazy to pick a small Catholic school over a major state research university.

Bottom line: I said : 1) BC isn’t exactly Harvard. This is TRUE. Once again, Harvard and BC have a similar missions as private schools, so I can do an "apples to apples" comparison. As I will say for at least the third time, UCONN IS A LARGE STATE UNIVERSITY THAT CATERS TO THE NEEDS OF CONNECTICUT RESIDENTS AS IT IS TAXPAYER FUNDED. Get it now?

I never said #2.

So, let’s review. Why was I an insufferable jerk in my last paragraph? First off, you called me out for something that I didn’t say. Second, you twisted my words. Third, you exude that pompous and condescending attitude that BC fans have (which is why UConn fans hate you). If you had replied to my initial post in a nicer fashion, I wouldn’t have to be an insufferable jerk. However, arrogant and condescending is the BC way.

Lighten up Francis....

I have not insulted you or Uconn in any of these exchanges, yet, you have managed to personally attack me, BC, Fr. Leahy, everyone associated with BC, and my mother of all people!

Dude, I didn't "twist your words". You DID mentioned 2400 schools. Here is what you said:
"Of the 2400 or so colleges in the United States on this list, you are 26 ahead of us." Yes, you didn't say "2400 schools in the universe", but you said pretty much the same thing.

You also said: "Academically, BC is slightly better than Uconn from a ratings perspective." You then went on to say that "26 spots doesn't mean squat". Dude, that pretty much means you do feel that BC and Uconn were similar from a ratings perspective. I certainly didn't misrepresent your views on this. If so, tell me how? I am all ears.

You think BC is only highly respected due to its "English Majors". You do know that they have highly respected business schools (both Undergrad and Grad), Sciences (Chemistry, etc, again both Undergrad and Grad), Education, Nursing, etc. All of those get factored into the Undergrad and Grad rankings.

It might surprise you to know that I have a great deal of respect for Uconn and what they have accomplished. Being a BC fan and respecting Uconn is not mutually exclusive. What I don't do is INITIATE threads touting my school by slamming or demeaning others (in this case, BC) as you have did in initiating this whole conversation.

Look, it's pretty clear that you just hate BC. All BC people, in your world, are "arrogant and condecending". ("Arrogant and condescending is the BC way." - YOUR EXACT words.) I get it. This hatred prevents us from having rationale discourse. Its unfortunate. I enjoy my exchanges with Melky and Whaler. We can disagree and still be civil. Unfortunately, that does not seem to be the case here.

A civil reply! I am impressed. Likewise, I will now be civil as I was just matching your tone. Anyway, we can agree to disagree about the gigantic academic chasm that exists between BC and UConn. I have put it behind me.

Anyway, I never attacked your mom or Father Leahy (I just joked that they made you feel special for attending BC). Sorry if that hurt your feelings. It was just a joke after all.

Anyway, Melky and Whaler are great guys on here. However, I can be more abrasive than them at times since sometimes I just cut straight to the point. I am a Bostonian through and through, so I don't mince words.

Fair enough, Uconnhusky. I understand your "mommy" comments were a joke; but you need to understand why a 57 year old might perceive that as an insult, that's all.

I also get the abrasive part. I am a Bostonian as well. But, FWIW, I think if we all lighten up on the abrasiveness and focus on understanding one another, we would all be better off. (OK, now I will get off my soapbox!)

(04-02-2014 03:58 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Yep This One has it All. Big12 vs ACC, UConn vs BC, Pitt vs WVU, UL vs UK..............Next !

All it is missing is an argument about it being Saint Johns or St. Johns followed by some Texas Tech vs Houston action to be complete.

(04-02-2014 07:42 PM)WNCOrange Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 03:58 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Yep This One has it All. Big12 vs ACC, UConn vs BC, Pitt vs WVU, UL vs UK..............Next !

All it is missing is an argument about it being Saint Johns or St. Johns followed by some Texas Tech vs Houston action to be complete.

You also forget ACC to MSG & the BIG EAST getting kicked out of their MSG Contract.

(04-02-2014 07:42 PM)WNCOrange Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 03:58 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Yep This One has it All. Big12 vs ACC, UConn vs BC, Pitt vs WVU, UL vs UK..............Next !

All it is missing is an argument about it being Saint Johns or St. Johns followed by some Texas Tech vs Houston action to be complete.

Don't forget Texas Tech vs. Cincinnati.

No hate for UK, just tire of some of the local fans that rehash the same age old garbage .

(03-31-2014 09:51 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  It seems as if folks believe that realignment has settled, why? UConn's brand fits perfectly with the ACC and adds value (see below) that the league needs. What am I missing? Why does it matter if they add another school? How can people keep saying it is BC keeping them out, why can't BC just be overruled? WHo cares that schools can;t leave the ACC, UConn adds value and would not be another mouth to feed.

IMO, the latest round just came at the worst time for UConn because FBall was sputtering a bit and BBall was in the midst of post-season ban and instability as they were losing the guy who built the program from next to nothing.

The have:

-Solid and improving academics
-A top10 Bball brand
-Dedication and the $ to right he ship in FBall, plus comparatively fine assets, though I still don;t like the idea of not being on campus.
-Most importantly, as we say this weekend, THEY BRING NYC something that has to entice the ACC
-For the cherry, they have the best women's Bball in the nation

The run to the final four just might be the catalyst to entice the ACC. It sucks for the AAC as the success of UConn (IMO) is both a blessing and a curse.

That ain't no cherry. That's like having a fork when you're trying to eat your ice cream with a spoon.

(04-02-2014 09:01 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 07:42 PM)WNCOrange Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 03:58 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Yep This One has it All. Big12 vs ACC, UConn vs BC, Pitt vs WVU, UL vs UK..............Next !

All it is missing is an argument about it being Saint Johns or St. Johns followed by some Texas Tech vs Houston action to be complete.

Don't forget Texas Tech vs. Cincinnati.

Still waiting for Savacool to stop in with his opinion on UL-L.

(04-02-2014 02:45 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 12:29 PM)Tbringer Wrote:  No, I'm not in the ACC, but then again I'm not a school or a state. If you are referring to West Virginia, you can ask them but they seem pretty content with the Big 12 as far as their school leaders.

Pitt is in the ACC because certain powers were trying to harm the Big East and Pitt has had moderately successful basketball, not because Pitt is some great renowned institution.

Oh, we're still pretending that you are not yet another West Virginia wacko? Okay, I'll play along (wink-wink).

My bad. I meant to say their poor academic reputation combined with their lack of a media market - not to mention their t-shirt rich fans' notoriously nasty behavior towards visiting fans - combined with the fact that there were other schools out there with more attractive profiles, conspired to exile them out to the Great Plains states rather than in their natural footprint along the East Coast.

I'm sure that privately they are just as pleased as punch that they are playing all of their league games hundreds of miles away and in the Central Time Zone while literally all of their rivals play each other and in their own time zone. That must be a real thrill for their fans and admins to behold, especially knowing that this is a PERMANENT exile and not something that will likely be short-lived. They probably have to pinch themselves before they go to bed at night at all of their good fortune.

I'm sure that their t-shirt sales must be through the roof at this point.

I just pray for their sake that this move doesn't ultimately destroy their entire athletic department like their own men's basketball coach Bob Huggins openly feared it might.

It couldn't happen to a nicer fan base.



Geographically speaking, one of these leagues is not like the others...

Except for the time zone thing, is West Virginia any worse off in the Big XII than Colorado in the PAC-12?

(04-02-2014 10:12 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 09:51 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  It seems as if folks believe that realignment has settled, why? UConn's brand fits perfectly with the ACC and adds value (see below) that the league needs. What am I missing? Why does it matter if they add another school? How can people keep saying it is BC keeping them out, why can't BC just be overruled? WHo cares that schools can;t leave the ACC, UConn adds value and would not be another mouth to feed.

IMO, the latest round just came at the worst time for UConn because FBall was sputtering a bit and BBall was in the midst of post-season ban and instability as they were losing the guy who built the program from next to nothing.

The have:

-Solid and improving academics
-A top10 Bball brand
-Dedication and the $ to right he ship in FBall, plus comparatively fine assets, though I still don;t like the idea of not being on campus.
-Most importantly, as we say this weekend, THEY BRING NYC something that has to entice the ACC
-For the cherry, they have the best women's Bball in the nation

The run to the final four just might be the catalyst to entice the ACC. It sucks for the AAC as the success of UConn (IMO) is both a blessing and a curse.

That ain't no cherry. That's like having a fork when you're trying to eat your ice cream with a spoon.

Except that UCONN women's basketball is a revenue sport and makes more $$$ than many men's basketball programs.

And I'm closing this one out as well. If you guys want to civilly discuss UConn to the ACC or Big Ten, please by all means start another thread.