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RE: SEC to make decision on 9 game schedule (will remain at 8 games)
(05-05-2014 06:18 PM)Marge Schott Wrote: (05-05-2014 02:44 PM)Lou_C Wrote: (05-05-2014 12:04 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: (05-05-2014 09:55 AM)Lou_C Wrote: Please....I'm no ACC fan boy, far from it. But you can forget about the ACC having 5 teams capable of winning a national title in football. Only the SEC has that, and the ACC, nor any other conference, is going to be the SEC.
We do need 2-3 though, with other teams at least in the discussion. That's acheivable, and would be a big step forward to being on the same level or better than anyone besides the SEC.
But there's no reason to set some untouchable bar of 5 national title contenders, when no other conference sniffs that either. What, four PAC and B1G teams combined have won national championships in the last 30 years?
The ACC needs 2-3 teams capable of competing for the playoffs on a mostly year in, year out basis, and another couple capable of making an occasional run to consideration when everything lines up just right. That's as much or more than what any conference not the SEC has.
How's this:
Florida State, Miami, Clemson and maybe Va Tech and Louisville - expected to contend for playoffs and, failing that, for an at-large bid.
UNC, Ga Tech, Pitt, Syracuse, Boston College and the rest at least some years - expected to win at least 50% of P5 OOC games and >50% of all bowls (since some of their bowls will be gimmees)
Definitely. We are almost there with FSU and Clemson. Clemson needs at least a run at the playoffs. Two schools, like USC, Oregon, Texas, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame that start MOST years in the discussion and have a reasonable chance to make a run unless they are in some coaching-transition-related funk. If the Miami also gets back in that level, that's gravy.
But then they need schools that when some of the magic comes together (seniors, better than expected class, last seasons of a special coach about to get a better offer, all time program great player, etc) are able to make a temporary run. Schools like Stanford, UCLA, Washington, Oklahoma State, Baylor, Wisconsin, etc. Teams that are some too-smart-for-his-own-good analyst's pick for the national title.
The ACC just hasn't produced those on a regular basis. I'd say Virginia Tech has held down this level pretty well, but the conference could use 3-4 programs in this space.
A school with the resources of UNC should absolutely play in this space. Louisville will be here if they can transfer their performance to the ACC. GT should be in this space but isn't right now. Syracuse was in this space not terribly long ago, if they can recapture it. I think NC State has always aspired to this but not really gotten there.
There are programs that can fill this conference out football wise if they can pull it together.
Sounds marvelous. People have been saying this for YEARS. I'll believe it when I see it.
Agree with both of you.
I think there are MANY schools in the ACC that have the potential to be big time that aren't now: UNC, UVA, Duke, Ga Tech for example.
But since FSU joined the conference we have waited for something to happen........they haven't.
All those schools have money, resources, awesome brand, even some history.......what they lack is an admin and a fan base that gives a damn about football. At least to the level needed to compete at the higher levels.
The ACC has schools with BILLION dollar endowments sitting on the sidelines while schools with little resources by comparison trying to carry the weight. And the way payouts are designed.....these rich schools that sit on the sidelines get bigger checks than the ones going out and earning it. Just a bad setup.
The ACC could be a great conference....but not until it stops being satisfied with itself and starts focusing on football like is needed to compete at the highest levels financially.
Start making changes. I fear the GOR just gave the ACC the excuse to slow down changes needed to put football, and thus revenue, at the level it needs to be.
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