Quote:Brett McMurphy @McMurphyESPN
@bomani_jones some schools want to play other ACC schools more than once every 10 yrs. so they add “nonconference” game vs. other ACC team

Quote:Brett McMurphy @McMurphyESPN
@McLong_Shlong yes. allowable under ACC by-laws & would also count as power 5 non-conference requirement

(05-14-2014 12:44 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

Quote:Brett McMurphy @McMurphyESPN
@bomani_jones some schools want to play other ACC schools more than once every 10 yrs. so they add “nonconference” game vs. other ACC team

Quote:Brett McMurphy @McMurphyESPN
@McLong_Shlong yes. allowable under ACC by-laws & would also count as power 5 non-conference requirement

If any teams use this it will be the 4 in NC (IMO).

(05-14-2014 08:50 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  very respectfully disagree. have them at a neutral site so both teams get the revenue of a homegame, keep money in the acc, and market them as a grudge match or some other catchy name. have one on labor day (prime time, only college game on tv), one in october in honor of breast cancer awareness month (attracts attention, $ponsors, etc.) and one on veteran's day. if the acc does those things, it would be a fun thing to watch.

(05-14-2014 08:13 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 07:58 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  Ok, everyone thought this was stupid yesterday when I suggested it. So I'm not any dumber than the ADs


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It still is stupid. It makes little sense to have a conference matchup that doesnt count in the standings. It would only need to be done because this stupid conference has such ass backwards divisions.

EDIT: Put it this way. If teams want this, why wouldnt they just go to 9 conference games and make it 2 guaranteed crossovers? Same thing except it would count in the standings.

That is why it makes little sense to fight for 8 and then turn around and schedule a conference opponent OOC a lot.

I have been told by someone in the AD that both times we played in the Chick-fil-a game we left money on the table for taking away a home game.

I believe this will be used minimally and only strategically. Most P5 schools will be willing to schedule each other in OOC games going forward to increase SOS for playoff purposes. If it comes down to a last minute scheduling snafu or if its one of these hardly played rivalry games such as FSU/GTECH or possibly UL/VTech. I really doubt this happens much at all, just having it available is all this is about.

ESPN column by McMurphy and Adelson...

Quote:NC State and Duke are located about 35 miles apart. They played annually from 1924 to 2003 but have met only three times since the ACC expanded in 2004. The Wolfpack and Blue Devils are scheduled to play only once (in 2020) in the next 11 years.

"I think the eight-game schedule does give us some unique flexibility for scheduling out of conference," Doeren said. "Right now there are teams in our league we won't face for seven years that are a bus ride from our campus.

"It just makes sense for us, in years that we're not playing Notre Dame, to consider scheduling one of those teams as a nonconference game. It would be great from the perspective of student-athlete experience and welfare, minimizing travel, and to have games in closer geographic proximity for our fans."

So, it sounds like for some schools (not all of them) this is a good way to fulfill the "power 5 game" requirement.

Interesting. It could be a home and home. Example: in a six year cycle, clemson's 2nd out of conference p5 opponents (other than the chickens) would be ND twice, auburn or uga twice and vt or Miami twice. Not too bad, IMO.

(05-14-2014 12:56 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 08:50 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  very respectfully disagree. have them at a neutral site so both teams get the revenue of a homegame, keep money in the acc, and market them as a grudge match or some other catchy name. have one on labor day (prime time, only college game on tv), one in october in honor of breast cancer awareness month (attracts attention, $ponsors, etc.) and one on veteran's day. if the acc does those things, it would be a fun thing to watch.

(05-14-2014 08:13 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 07:58 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  Ok, everyone thought this was stupid yesterday when I suggested it. So I'm not any dumber than the ADs


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It still is stupid. It makes little sense to have a conference matchup that doesnt count in the standings. It would only need to be done because this stupid conference has such ass backwards divisions.

EDIT: Put it this way. If teams want this, why wouldnt they just go to 9 conference games and make it 2 guaranteed crossovers? Same thing except it would count in the standings.

That is why it makes little sense to fight for 8 and then turn around and schedule a conference opponent OOC a lot.

I have been told by someone in the AD that both times we played in the Chick-fil-a game we left money on the table for taking away a home game.

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Apparently the Big Ten (Penn St) is also considering this.

Dr. Saturday (Yahoo Sports) weighs in on this subject - LINK

Quote:No. No. No. No. No.

^ The good Dr. doesn't realize that this idea, while making its rounds in the public forum this week, has likely been discussed for a good while. All that's missing is the rubber stamp of approval.

(05-14-2014 01:40 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  Interesting. It could be a home and home. Example: in a six year cycle, clemson's 2nd out of conference p5 opponents (other than the chickens) would be ND twice, auburn or uga twice and vt or Miami twice. Not too bad, IMO.

(05-14-2014 12:56 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 08:50 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  very respectfully disagree. have them at a neutral site so both teams get the revenue of a homegame, keep money in the acc, and market them as a grudge match or some other catchy name. have one on labor day (prime time, only college game on tv), one in october in honor of breast cancer awareness month (attracts attention, $ponsors, etc.) and one on veteran's day. if the acc does those things, it would be a fun thing to watch.

(05-14-2014 08:13 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 07:58 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  Ok, everyone thought this was stupid yesterday when I suggested it. So I'm not any dumber than the ADs


Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

It still is stupid. It makes little sense to have a conference matchup that doesnt count in the standings. It would only need to be done because this stupid conference has such ass backwards divisions.

EDIT: Put it this way. If teams want this, why wouldnt they just go to 9 conference games and make it 2 guaranteed crossovers? Same thing except it would count in the standings.

That is why it makes little sense to fight for 8 and then turn around and schedule a conference opponent OOC a lot.

I have been told by someone in the AD that both times we played in the Chick-fil-a game we left money on the table for taking away a home game.

Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

Wish the SEC had the stones to play Florida State like they play Clemson.

(05-14-2014 11:01 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:53 AM)CollegeCard Wrote:  My first thought is negative. Why are we potentially pinning a guaranteed loss on an ACC team?

Good point. I'd hate to see Va Tech knock FSU out of the playoffs...

Especially when VT won't be representing the ACC in the playoffs.

(05-14-2014 07:38 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  https://twitter.com/McMurphyESPN/status/...4780904449

So to fix scheduling/possible rivalry issues that fans are pleading for this could be the solution.

UL vs VTech
FSU vs GTECH
Clemson vs Miami
and so on, more often

No. No it couldn't.

(05-14-2014 07:58 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  Ok, everyone thought this was stupid yesterday when I suggested it. So I'm not any dumber than the ADs

Good for your self-esteem. Bad for the ACC.

And it's still stupid.

(05-14-2014 08:22 AM)DXcuse Wrote:  If ACC teams are going to schedule each other OCC why not just play 9 conference games with 2 rivalry crossovers and 1 rotating?

This would allow for FSU-GT and other current rivalry gaps caused by divisions. I don't think schools need anymore than 2 rivalry crossovers to fix any issues.

That's why it's very unlikely this is going to happen, yo. At least not with schools that matter.

(05-14-2014 08:59 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 08:55 AM)Ragu Wrote:  A neutral site game is still not going to generate as much as a home game in these matchups. Plus neutral site games with teams in the same conference has to be one of the dumber ideas that I have ever heard.

The Worlds Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party says hello from Jacksonville....

Georgia and Florida do it every year.

It's a conference game, not an OOC. This has since been mentioned, but that's a crucial difference.

I also tweeted McMurphy to ask if he thought this was a trial balloon by the ACC and Big 10 to see what the public reaction would be first before voting on it....He said No...for whatever that's worth.

The closest P5 teams to VT not in our division would be Wake, NCSU, Tenn, WVU, UMD, Clemson, Penn State, USC, UGA, FSU, Auburn, Alabama, Vanderbilt, OSU, Syracuse, Florida, Kentucky, Louisville, and Rutgers.

Go ahead and take Clemson, USC, UGA, FSU, and Florida off the list for having rivalry games to fulfill. Penn State has finally agreed to play us for the first time ever, they are also playing Pitt and WVU more often so I wouldn't count on this one being available often. Tennessee won't give us a home/home, the best we can hope for is some neutral site games with them. We are playing a home and home with OSU and that probably wont' happen again for a long time. WVU is already on the upcoming schedule, they might make it semi-frequently. I'm not sure how long before VT will be willing to play UMD. Auburn and Alabama won't do home/homes with VT. The last Auburn series was canceled by them. I'm not sure why Kentucky stopped scheduling us but they have Louisville yearly already.

So who does that leave as options?
WVU, Vanderbilt, and Rutgers
from the ACC: Wake, NCSU, Louisville, and Syracuse

I could see us playing Wake and NCSU more. We used to play them more often before we were in the ACC. Outside of WVU, there aren't many good ooc P5 options that are nearby.

The closest P5 teams (+ Cincinnati) to Va Tech:

inner circle = 200 miles (approx)
outer circle = 300 miles (approx)

I wouldn't mind playing Maryland more often (good for recruiting plus usually a VT win - except last year - yeesh!)

Tennessee are a bunch of sissies for avoiding VT!

As a VT fan, how interested are you in using that OOC slot on a current ACC team (Wake, Cuse, UL, NC State) as opposed to a more national brand like the ones you've played recently, and will play in the future?

Whomever said it was a good way for the NC schools to face each other more often might have it right.

(05-14-2014 05:08 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  As a VT fan, how interested are you in using that OOC slot on a current ACC team (Wake, Cuse, UL, NC State) as opposed to a more national brand like the ones you've played recently, and will play in the future?

Whomever said it was a good way for the NC schools to face each other more often might have it right.

Most of the comments on the VT boards are disappointed we didn't go to 9 games.

I'm not sure how popular scheduling an ACC opponent as "ooc" would be. I'm sure somehow it'll be spun as a cop-out or small-time by our rivals. If they sell it right most people would be in favor of it. We used to play Clemson, Wake, and NCSU more before we joined the ACC.

ACC OOC games make sense under specific circumstances, but not for all programs all of the time.

(05-14-2014 05:02 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The closest P5 teams (+ Cincinnati) to Va Tech:

inner circle = 200 miles (approx)
outer circle = 300 miles (approx)

I wouldn't mind playing Maryland more often (good for recruiting plus usually a VT win - except last year - yeesh!)

Tennessee are a bunch of sissies for avoiding VT!

Looking at your map the only logical move for the ACC would be to add West Virginia and South Carolina as long as Notre Dame is going to stay semi-independent.

(05-14-2014 06:45 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 05:08 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  As a VT fan, how interested are you in using that OOC slot on a current ACC team (Wake, Cuse, UL, NC State) as opposed to a more national brand like the ones you've played recently, and will play in the future?

Whomever said it was a good way for the NC schools to face each other more often might have it right.

Most of the comments on the VT boards are disappointed we didn't go to 9 games.

I'm not sure how popular scheduling an ACC opponent as "ooc" would be. I'm sure somehow it'll be spun as a cop-out or small-time by our rivals. If they sell it right most people would be in favor of it. We used to play Clemson, Wake, and NCSU more before we joined the ACC.

I would be in favor of going to 11 conference games.

(05-14-2014 07:51 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 05:02 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The closest P5 teams (+ Cincinnati) to Va Tech:

inner circle = 200 miles (approx)
outer circle = 300 miles (approx)

I wouldn't mind playing Maryland more often (good for recruiting plus usually a VT win - except last year - yeesh!)

Tennessee are a bunch of sissies for avoiding VT!

Looking at your map the only logical move for the ACC would be to add West Virginia and South Carolina as long as Notre Dame is going to stay semi-independent.

You have a very, very strange fascination with SoCar.