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RE: OT: World Cup Thread
Good lord what a beatdown. If Spain can dig themselves out of this hole, we could see Brazil v Spain in the round of 16.
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ESP got killed WOW!
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RE: OT: World Cup Thread
The Dutch upset defending champs Spain, 5-1.

Chile is currently up on the Aussies, 2-1 at half.
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RE: OT: World Cup Thread
(06-13-2014 03:03 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(06-13-2014 01:36 PM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  Would any of you done a better job had you been on that field?


With all due respect my friend, this is a lazy and shortsighted response, one that is all too common.

Have you ever complained about a meal in a nice restaurant? Can you cook better than the chef who made that meal?

Ever criticized a movie? Could you have acted/written/directed it better?

Ever complain about a coach or player's performance? Could you do better?


Again, I can see in real time from his perspective, what prompted him to make the call and I most certainly couldn't do his job better, but that doesn'tmake me any more eexempt from critiquing him than you would be to critique an overcooked meal by a world class chef.

Trust me as a multistory official. And someone who is studying to ref soccer, that the split second call like this is far and away different than any example you just gave.

The idea that the ref decided to manufacture the outcome of the game is absurd and laughable. I stand by his decision.
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RE: OT: World Cup Thread
What a showing by the Dutch. Robbed is an amazing talent. Not an RVP fan, but he is top class.
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RE: OT: World Cup Thread
Chile tops the Aussies, 3-1. Although Australia lost, due to goal differential, they are ahead of defending champions Spain, who is in last place.

The OP is now updated.

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(06-13-2014 06:48 PM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  
(06-13-2014 03:03 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(06-13-2014 01:36 PM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  Would any of you done a better job had you been on that field?


With all due respect my friend, this is a lazy and shortsighted response, one that is all too common.

Have you ever complained about a meal in a nice restaurant? Can you cook better than the chef who made that meal?

Ever criticized a movie? Could you have acted/written/directed it better?

Ever complain about a coach or player's performance? Could you do better?


Again, I can see in real time from his perspective, what prompted him to make the call and I most certainly couldn't do his job better, but that doesn'tmake me any more eexempt from critiquing him than you would be to critique an overcooked meal by a world class chef.

Trust me as a multistory official. And someone who is studying to ref soccer, that the split second call like this is far and away different than any example you just gave.

The idea that the ref decided to manufacture the outcome of the game is absurd and laughable. I stand by his decision.

Where did I say he decided to manufacture anything? I have two points:

1) It was a blown call, even if I can see how he made it, the call was still blown

2) The ref is no more excempt from criticism than any of the players, coaches or any of the other examples I gave


You are in a distinct minority by refuting both points.
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RE: OT: World Cup Thread
(06-13-2014 06:54 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(06-13-2014 06:48 PM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  
(06-13-2014 03:03 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(06-13-2014 01:36 PM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  Would any of you done a better job had you been on that field?


With all due respect my friend, this is a lazy and shortsighted response, one that is all too common.

Have you ever complained about a meal in a nice restaurant? Can you cook better than the chef who made that meal?

Ever criticized a movie? Could you have acted/written/directed it better?

Ever complain about a coach or player's performance? Could you do better?


Again, I can see in real time from his perspective, what prompted him to make the call and I most certainly couldn't do his job better, but that doesn'tmake me any more eexempt from critiquing him than you would be to critique an overcooked meal by a world class chef.

Trust me as a multistory official. And someone who is studying to ref soccer, that the split second call like this is far and away different than any example you just gave.

The idea that the ref decided to manufacture the outcome of the game is absurd and laughable. I stand by his decision.

Where did I say he decided to manufacture anything? I have two points:

1) It was a blown call, even if I can see how he made it, the call was still blown

2) The ref is no more excempt from criticism than any of the players, coaches or any of the other examples I gave


You are in a distinct minority by refuting both points.

Somebody else made that comment, apologies.

As for Spain, as long as they win the next 2 and the Dutch go out with 9 pts, Spain still goes to knockouts.
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(06-13-2014 08:20 PM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  
(06-13-2014 06:54 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(06-13-2014 06:48 PM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  
(06-13-2014 03:03 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(06-13-2014 01:36 PM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  Would any of you done a better job had you been on that field?


With all due respect my friend, this is a lazy and shortsighted response, one that is all too common.

Have you ever complained about a meal in a nice restaurant? Can you cook better than the chef who made that meal?

Ever criticized a movie? Could you have acted/written/directed it better?

Ever complain about a coach or player's performance? Could you do better?


Again, I can see in real time from his perspective, what prompted him to make the call and I most certainly couldn't do his job better, but that doesn'tmake me any more eexempt from critiquing him than you would be to critique an overcooked meal by a world class chef.

Trust me as a multistory official. And someone who is studying to ref soccer, that the split second call like this is far and away different than any example you just gave.

The idea that the ref decided to manufacture the outcome of the game is absurd and laughable. I stand by his decision.

Where did I say he decided to manufacture anything? I have two points:

1) It was a blown call, even if I can see how he made it, the call was still blown

2) The ref is no more excempt from criticism than any of the players, coaches or any of the other examples I gave


You are in a distinct minority by refuting both points.

Somebody else made that comment, apologies.

As for Spain, as long as they win the next 2 and the Dutch go out with 9 pts, Spain still goes to knockouts.

It seems the Spain vs Chile game will be huge, it's likely Chile can draw with Spain and move on unless Spain can beat the Ausies by a huge margin. Provided Spain gets their six points they almost definitely have a date with the Brazilians in the round of 16.
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(06-13-2014 01:36 PM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  
(06-13-2014 01:35 AM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  
(06-12-2014 11:42 PM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  You people ripping the ref crack me up. He grabbed the guys shoulder on one side and his arm on the other. He went down, maybe easily, but the grab and pull was absolutely enough to draw a pk. Any Tackle in the NCAA would be called for holding if that had happened in American football. The ref got it right. Yeah it threw the momentum entirely to Brazil, but that was the right thing to do.

I don't want to disagree with you, because I understand EXACTLY what you're saying here. But I'm going to anyways. If this is a good call, then the amount of PKs the USMNT is owed will equal my student loan debt. Here's how i see it, would you have called a foul for that play if it was at midfield? Yeah he had his arm, but not nearly as bad as some other jostling plays, some of which were fairly aggressive unlike this one, that we saw throughout the game that weren't called

I must say, I do feel bad for the main ref and his crew. I think they did a very fine job; one of the best jobs I've seen in a while. Sucks that one questionable call ruins the public's perception of this crew.

The thing is that, at the time of the call, the referee saw a blatant hold while a player was trying to move toward the ball, and the attacker went down. I see that as being absolutely worthy of a penalty. I called it in real time when he went down and felt like replay showed me what I felt was enough of a pull. Did he dive a bit? Maybe, but I felt like he was fouled.

It is a physical game, and no that probably would not be called at midfield, and no it does not always get called, but I feel like the ref was justified to make his call. Would any of you done a better job had you been on that field?

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The women of Brazil are amazing. nuff said.
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RE: OT: World Cup Thread
(06-13-2014 06:48 PM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  
(06-13-2014 03:03 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(06-13-2014 01:36 PM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  Would any of you done a better job had you been on that field?


With all due respect my friend, this is a lazy and shortsighted response, one that is all too common.

Have you ever complained about a meal in a nice restaurant? Can you cook better than the chef who made that meal?

Ever criticized a movie? Could you have acted/written/directed it better?

Ever complain about a coach or player's performance? Could you do better?


Again, I can see in real time from his perspective, what prompted him to make the call and I most certainly couldn't do his job better, but that doesn'tmake me any more eexempt from critiquing him than you would be to critique an overcooked meal by a world class chef.

Trust me as a multistory official. And someone who is studying to ref soccer, that the split second call like this is far and away different than any example you just gave.

The idea that the ref decided to manufacture the outcome of the game is absurd and laughable. I stand by his decision.

obviously you have never played the game. Your lack of comprehension of the game or real time ability is why you think that call was correct. It was not the correct call and this dumb ass official will be sent home.
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I'm not saying he purposely made the call to help Brazil, or that he is a bad ref. But he missed this call. The call looked 100% justified from his angle in real time, but it was the wrong call. He's human, it happens. Same thing happened in today's Spain Netherlands game. But with the Brazil call, there's no defending the wrong call. He made a mistake that I'm sure he regrets in private. Unlike the call today, which can still be defended, although it was the wrong. There's no defense foe the Brazil PK, zero.

Besides that PK, that was a well reffed game. I hope that crew stays despite this mistake. After the Chile Australia game, Brazil Croatia had the best ref performance.
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(06-13-2014 09:20 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  
(06-13-2014 06:48 PM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  
(06-13-2014 03:03 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(06-13-2014 01:36 PM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  Would any of you done a better job had you been on that field?


With all due respect my friend, this is a lazy and shortsighted response, one that is all too common.

Have you ever complained about a meal in a nice restaurant? Can you cook better than the chef who made that meal?

Ever criticized a movie? Could you have acted/written/directed it better?

Ever complain about a coach or player's performance? Could you do better?


Again, I can see in real time from his perspective, what prompted him to make the call and I most certainly couldn't do his job better, but that doesn'tmake me any more eexempt from critiquing him than you would be to critique an overcooked meal by a world class chef.

Trust me as a multistory official. And someone who is studying to ref soccer, that the split second call like this is far and away different than any example you just gave.

The idea that the ref decided to manufacture the outcome of the game is absurd and laughable. I stand by his decision.

obviously you have never played the game. Your lack of comprehension of the game or real time ability is why you think that call was correct. It was not the correct call and this dumb ass official will be sent home.

I have long wanted American analyst to be on during soccer broadcasts in the us. Could you please call espn and let them know that you are up for that job. When it comes to this game, you are one cocky know it all sob. You should fit in with the Brits in looking down your nose at all of America. I never played soccer at a high level. Most Americans, hell most anyone hasn't. You may have been fortunate enough to receive tuition for your skill at this game, congrats if so. But you can cut the holy ground bs I for one am tired of it. I am quite knowledgeable about the sport, along with many others (some I stopped playing during Middle School).

Like I said, as an official, I see why the call was made and w/o the benefit of replay to the ref, he made the best call he could have from his position. Too bad you were not born 5 miles south of EP...
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It sure was nice watching Spain get handled by Netherlands last night.
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I have forgotten more about the game than you will ever know and I am cocky. Move along you non soccer playing official, and let the big boys play.
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(06-14-2014 12:05 AM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  
(06-13-2014 09:20 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  
(06-13-2014 06:48 PM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  
(06-13-2014 03:03 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(06-13-2014 01:36 PM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  Would any of you done a better job had you been on that field?


With all due respect my friend, this is a lazy and shortsighted response, one that is all too common.

Have you ever complained about a meal in a nice restaurant? Can you cook better than the chef who made that meal?

Ever criticized a movie? Could you have acted/written/directed it better?

Ever complain about a coach or player's performance? Could you do better?


Again, I can see in real time from his perspective, what prompted him to make the call and I most certainly couldn't do his job better, but that doesn'tmake me any more eexempt from critiquing him than you would be to critique an overcooked meal by a world class chef.

Trust me as a multistory official. And someone who is studying to ref soccer, that the split second call like this is far and away different than any example you just gave.

The idea that the ref decided to manufacture the outcome of the game is absurd and laughable. I stand by his decision.

obviously you have never played the game. Your lack of comprehension of the game or real time ability is why you think that call was correct. It was not the correct call and this dumb ass official will be sent home.



Like I said, as an official, I see why the call was made and w/o the benefit of replay to the ref, he made the best call he could have from his position.

Yes, we all agree with this already. But that doesn't make the call correct. It was a tough call to make, and he did the best he could. But we know, and he knows that he got it wrong. There's no defending it.
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ToT you'll have to forgive randaddy, El Paso is the birthplace of soccer, didn't you know?

The only thing keeping El Paso from having a MLS club is fear of the dynasty that would be born there. They would make John Wooden's dynasty seem like the blink of an eye. De La Salle high school football's 151-0 streak spanning twelve years? Mere moments compared to dynasty that the rightful rulers of the soccer world will have once the travesty against the soccer gods is righted and they are awarded their franchise.
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(06-14-2014 02:24 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  ToT you'll have to forgive randaddy, El Paso is the birthplace of soccer, didn't you know?

The only thing keeping El Paso from having a MLS club is fear of the dynasty that would be born there. They would make John Wooden's dynasty seem like the blink of an eye. De La Salle high school football's 151-0 streak spanning twelve years? Mere moments compared to dynasty that the rightful rulers of the soccer world will have once the travesty against the soccer gods is righted and they are awarded their franchise.

lmfao.....
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(06-14-2014 02:24 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  ToT you'll have to forgive randaddy, El Paso is the birthplace of soccer, didn't you know?

The only thing keeping El Paso from having a MLS club is fear of the dynasty that would be born there. They would make John Wooden's dynasty seem like the blink of an eye. De La Salle high school football's 151-0 streak spanning twelve years? Mere moments compared to dynasty that the rightful rulers of the soccer world will have once the travesty against the soccer gods is righted and they are awarded their franchise.

Does RVP face El Paso and pray 5 times a day?
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