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RE: Is the big interest in Connecticut and Kansas?
(07-26-2014 12:00 PM)brista21 Wrote:  
(07-26-2014 04:13 AM)Policiious Wrote:  No on Kansas, UConn or Oklahoma; not enough TV sets or in areas of strong football or hoops recruiting. Georgia Tech (Atlanta market, strong Georgia talent base) and Miami (their academics are improving) and getting into Florida would be huge for the B10. Miami's attendance in the ACC has been average at best but imagine how well they would draw playing in a division with Ohio State, Michigan & Penn State. Lots of B10 alums in FLorida also. Those 2 programs would be more attractive than either Kansas, Oklahome or UConn.

I see your logic on Kansas and UConn. But Oklahoma is a true powerhouse in football and a true bridge to Texas talent.

Exactly. Norman is closer to DFW than Austin is. OU has huge pull in northern Texas down to DFW. Plus, if you land OU it is a big chip to play in landing the great, white whale - Texas. See the info below for UT's estimated value.

Kansas (and UConn would be as well) is a national TV add for BB, though KU has better markets than NU has (3M vs 2M pop and KC/Wichita vs Omaha), though NU had the huge national FB brand going for it. They are an add for BB content. Match-ups to draw more eyes to B1G BB contests nationally and on the B1GN. I like this chart from Frank the Tanks blog back before NU was added. It has been highly accurate about who the B1G has added thus far. It shows KU has more value than you think, though there are schools who were not evaluated that would be higher (such as UVA, OU, and UNC).


CANDIDATES TOTAL ADDED REVENUE ESTIMATE

Texas $101,369,004
Rutgers WITH NYC $67,798,609
Nebraska $54,487,990
Maryland $50,818,889
Boston College $48,382,692
Notre Dame $47,629,255
Kansas $46,320,092
Missouri $45,901,459
Syracuse $43,504,813
Connecticut $38,080,271
Pittsburgh $34,365,175
Iowa State $31,831,077

Syracuse WITH NYC $65,874,573


(07-26-2014 07:20 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(07-26-2014 04:13 AM)Policiious Wrote:  No on Kansas, UConn or Oklahoma; not enough TV sets or in areas of strong football or hoops recruiting. Georgia Tech (Atlanta market, strong Georgia talent base) and Miami (their academics are improving) and getting into Florida would be huge for the B10. Miami's attendance in the ACC has been average at best but imagine how well they would draw playing in a division with Ohio State, Michigan & Penn State. Lots of B10 alums in FLorida also. Those 2 programs would be more attractive than either Kansas, Oklahome or UConn.

Georgia Tech wouldn't improve recruiting if it was in the Big Ten UNLESS it went along with a large contingent of southern schools to the Big Ten.

That is why I only ever hypothesized about a 20 team Big Ten when it came to anything other than Maryland joining the Big Ten from the ACC.

If Georgia Tech tried that alone, they would be seen more as traitors in the South. If anything that move would harm Georgia Tech recruiting more than it would help any northern recruiting in the South. GT would be foolish to make that move unless they were following previous moves of other ACC schools and North Carolina already made it clear they are not interested in either the Big Ten or the SEC.

Spot on. This is also the reason FSU, plus Clemson or GT, to the B12 talk back a few years back was a no go from the beginning. There was no way they wanted to be on a 2 school island far from the heart of the conference like the B12 wanted (12 schools). You need 4-6 southern ACC schools to make it worthwhile for them to make that move so they can keep their recruiting and SE ties strong. GT is a very distant second in Georgia to UGA and Clemson and the AL schools, and the other SEC/ACC schools all dip into it quite a bit for athletes. GT alone in the B1G does little to nothing for the other B1G schools recruiting there. The B1G will have to go really big (18-20) to land GT, IMO.

I think the B1G presidents would really have a hard time with Miami and their poor reputation for doing things the right way in athletics. They really don't fit the B1G mold, but they would get you into south FL recruiting and are a good academic school. They have been on a island before in the BE so they would be the most likely to accept being on an island.

Texas is the same as GT I think. To have a shot at Texas you will need to offer Kansas and Oklahoma. Then add one more Texas school (TTU preferred, but maybe Rice would work due to academics). I think Texas would only consider the B1G seriously with 3 or more B12 or TX schools included.
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(07-28-2014 03:19 AM)Policiious Wrote:  I believe not inviting Mizzou was a major mistake. A state with 2 large metro regions (St Louis & KC) the only major university in a state that is in the top 20 most populous. So adding Missouri along with Maryland and Rutgers gives the conference an uneven number of teams, it worked just fine for 20 years when PSU was added to the Big 10 to make 11.

OSU's former president Gee said not adding KU and MU in 2010 was a mistake. The B1G thought they could wait on MU (and KU as well). They were too far east for the PAC and they did not think the SEC would swoop in so fast or that MU would reciprocate the SEC interest, most likely. Some of the big donors at MU drove the move to the SEC, so it is unlikely they would ever turn around and leave for the B1G, unless they want those big donations to drive up. Plus, the B1G really hurt their feelings snubbing them in 2010 so publicly.

Note to poster: KU had 10% or more of its students from IL when I was there in the 90s. Seemed like everyone was from Chicago or its suburbs. Does that help our B1G stock? 03-2thumbsup
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RE: Is the big interest in Connecticut and Kansas?
(07-31-2014 08:08 AM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  
(07-28-2014 03:19 AM)Policiious Wrote:  I believe not inviting Mizzou was a major mistake. A state with 2 large metro regions (St Louis & KC) the only major university in a state that is in the top 20 most populous. So adding Missouri along with Maryland and Rutgers gives the conference an uneven number of teams, it worked just fine for 20 years when PSU was added to the Big 10 to make 11.

OSU's former president Gee said not adding KU and MU in 2010 was a mistake. The B1G thought they could wait on MU (and KU as well). They were too far east for the PAC and they did not think the SEC would swoop in so fast or that MU would reciprocate the SEC interest, most likely. Some of the big donors at MU drove the move to the SEC, so it is unlikely they would ever turn around and leave for the B1G, unless they want those big donations to drive up. Plus, the B1G really hurt their feelings snubbing them in 2010 so publicly.

Note to poster: KU had 10% or more of its students from IL when I was there in the 90s. Seemed like everyone was from Chicago or its suburbs. Does that help our B1G stock? 03-2thumbsup

Gee thought it was a mistake, but he was also imagining very big conferences (I feel like I've seen 20 as not out of the picture). I think the conference would have preferred Missouri still in the Big 12, but was content on them going to the SEC over inviting them. The Big Ten still could have easily come and offered Missouri when it became apparent the SEC was starting to look that way after the Texas A&M invite and there's no evidence that was even considered.
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RE: Is the big interest in Connecticut and Kansas?
KU has a great hoops and track brand, Weis needs to get the football program moving in a positive direction for the B10 to consider offering KU membership, but I can see that happening
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RE: Is the big interest in Connecticut and Kansas?
(07-31-2014 01:08 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  
(07-31-2014 08:08 AM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  
(07-28-2014 03:19 AM)Policiious Wrote:  I believe not inviting Mizzou was a major mistake. A state with 2 large metro regions (St Louis & KC) the only major university in a state that is in the top 20 most populous. So adding Missouri along with Maryland and Rutgers gives the conference an uneven number of teams, it worked just fine for 20 years when PSU was added to the Big 10 to make 11.

OSU's former president Gee said not adding KU and MU in 2010 was a mistake. The B1G thought they could wait on MU (and KU as well). They were too far east for the PAC and they did not think the SEC would swoop in so fast or that MU would reciprocate the SEC interest, most likely. Some of the big donors at MU drove the move to the SEC, so it is unlikely they would ever turn around and leave for the B1G, unless they want those big donations to drive up. Plus, the B1G really hurt their feelings snubbing them in 2010 so publicly.

Note to poster: KU had 10% or more of its students from IL when I was there in the 90s. Seemed like everyone was from Chicago or its suburbs. Does that help our B1G stock? 03-2thumbsup

Gee thought it was a mistake, but he was also imagining very big conferences (I feel like I've seen 20 as not out of the picture). I think the conference would have preferred Missouri still in the Big 12, but was content on them going to the SEC over inviting them. The Big Ten still could have easily come and offered Missouri when it became apparent the SEC was starting to look that way after the Texas A&M invite and there's no evidence that was even considered.

True. I think the B1G would like to land Texas eventually for obvious reasons. To do so, they would likely be looking at 20 schools to still land a couple more eastern targets. I think 20 is still a possibility.

The B1G thinking on MU was probably that St. Louis was already in the B1G footprint due to Illinois and they could always add Kansas later for KC and NU has a small presence there. I think offering MU in 2011 would have thrown off adding RU and UMD, who had more value to the B1G, at 13 and 14 so they passed or would have required going to 16 earlier than they wanted (2016?).

(08-01-2014 10:16 AM)Policiious Wrote:  KU has a great hoops and track brand, Weis needs to get the football program moving in a positive direction for the B10 to consider offering KU membership, but I can see that happening

Weis has at least gotten control of the ship after Gill let the inmates run the asylum. Supposedly a stadium renovation is in the works too, but is probably 3-4 years out. Memorial Stadium is the oldest stadium west of the Mississippi River and shows it's age. It needs the facelift badly. We really pissed away the momentum we had going with the 12-1 season and OB win with the Mangino scandal and Gill hire. This is the worst 4 year stretch right now in our mediocre FB history. Hopefully, this year we start turning the corner, but though Weis has done a good work laying the foundation off the field (academics, S&C, recruiting), on it he is still a big question mark.
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RE: Is the big interest in Connecticut and Kansas?
(07-31-2014 07:41 AM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  
(07-26-2014 12:00 PM)brista21 Wrote:  
(07-26-2014 04:13 AM)Policiious Wrote:  No on Kansas, UConn or Oklahoma; not enough TV sets or in areas of strong football or hoops recruiting. Georgia Tech (Atlanta market, strong Georgia talent base) and Miami (their academics are improving) and getting into Florida would be huge for the B10. Miami's attendance in the ACC has been average at best but imagine how well they would draw playing in a division with Ohio State, Michigan & Penn State. Lots of B10 alums in FLorida also. Those 2 programs would be more attractive than either Kansas, Oklahome or UConn.

I see your logic on Kansas and UConn. But Oklahoma is a true powerhouse in football and a true bridge to Texas talent.

Exactly. Norman is closer to DFW than Austin is. OU has huge pull in northern Texas down to DFW. Plus, if you land OU it is a big chip to play in landing the great, white whale - Texas. See the info below for UT's estimated value.

Kansas (and UConn would be as well) is a national TV add for BB, though KU has better markets than NU has (3M vs 2M pop and KC/Wichita vs Omaha), though NU had the huge national FB brand going for it. They are an add for BB content. Match-ups to draw more eyes to B1G BB contests nationally and on the B1GN. I like this chart from Frank the Tanks blog back before NU was added. It has been highly accurate about who the B1G has added thus far. It shows KU has more value than you think, though there are schools who were not evaluated that would be higher (such as UVA, OU, and UNC).


CANDIDATES TOTAL ADDED REVENUE ESTIMATE

Texas $101,369,004
Rutgers WITH NYC $67,798,609
Nebraska $54,487,990
Maryland $50,818,889
Boston College $48,382,692
Notre Dame $47,629,255
Kansas $46,320,092
Missouri $45,901,459
Syracuse $43,504,813
Connecticut $38,080,271
Pittsburgh $34,365,175
Iowa State $31,831,077

Syracuse WITH NYC $65,874,573


(07-26-2014 07:20 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(07-26-2014 04:13 AM)Policiious Wrote:  No on Kansas, UConn or Oklahoma; not enough TV sets or in areas of strong football or hoops recruiting. Georgia Tech (Atlanta market, strong Georgia talent base) and Miami (their academics are improving) and getting into Florida would be huge for the B10. Miami's attendance in the ACC has been average at best but imagine how well they would draw playing in a division with Ohio State, Michigan & Penn State. Lots of B10 alums in FLorida also. Those 2 programs would be more attractive than either Kansas, Oklahome or UConn.

Georgia Tech wouldn't improve recruiting if it was in the Big Ten UNLESS it went along with a large contingent of southern schools to the Big Ten.

That is why I only ever hypothesized about a 20 team Big Ten when it came to anything other than Maryland joining the Big Ten from the ACC.

If Georgia Tech tried that alone, they would be seen more as traitors in the South. If anything that move would harm Georgia Tech recruiting more than it would help any northern recruiting in the South. GT would be foolish to make that move unless they were following previous moves of other ACC schools and North Carolina already made it clear they are not interested in either the Big Ten or the SEC.

Spot on. This is also the reason FSU, plus Clemson or GT, to the B12 talk back a few years back was a no go from the beginning. There was no way they wanted to be on a 2 school island far from the heart of the conference like the B12 wanted (12 schools). You need 4-6 southern ACC schools to make it worthwhile for them to make that move so they can keep their recruiting and SE ties strong. GT is a very distant second in Georgia to UGA and Clemson and the AL schools, and the other SEC/ACC schools all dip into it quite a bit for athletes. GT alone in the B1G does little to nothing for the other B1G schools recruiting there. The B1G will have to go really big (18-20) to land GT, IMO.

I think the B1G presidents would really have a hard time with Miami and their poor reputation for doing things the right way in athletics. They really don't fit the B1G mold, but they would get you into south FL recruiting and are a good academic school. They have been on a island before in the BE so they would be the most likely to accept being on an island.

Texas is the same as GT I think. To have a shot at Texas you will need to offer Kansas and Oklahoma. Then add one more Texas school (TTU preferred, but maybe Rice would work due to academics). I think Texas would only consider the B1G seriously with 3 or more B12 or TX schools included.

Personally, I think the Big Ten has very little chance at landing Texas BUT I think that Big Ten officials and Texas officials absolutely have been and will continue to be in contact with each other in regard to working out an amiable plan to both parties in terms of future moves.

The ACC is a much better place for Texas. It has both a Southern and Northern element to it where as the Big Ten is seen purely as a northern conference and that just isn't going to fly in Texas. Texas going to the ACC with two other Texas schools likely would be enough to sell it.

I think Oklahoma would be as far south as we would go. I know folks are gonna talk academics with Oklahoma but come on, that is just a talking point. Oklahoma is a blue blood football program and Kansas is a blue blood basketball program. That would be a huge gain for the Big Ten Athletic Conference.
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RE: Is the big interest in Connecticut and Kansas?
(07-31-2014 07:41 AM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  Kansas (and UConn would be as well) is a national TV add for BB, though KU has better markets than NU has (3M vs 2M pop and KC/Wichita vs Omaha), though NU had the huge national FB brand going for it. They are an add for BB content. Match-ups to draw more eyes to B1G BB contests nationally and on the B1GN. I like this chart from Frank the Tanks blog back before NU was added. It has been highly accurate about who the B1G has added thus far. It shows KU has more value than you think, though there are schools who were not evaluated that would be higher (such as UVA, OU, and UNC).


CANDIDATES TOTAL ADDED REVENUE ESTIMATE

Texas $101,369,004
Rutgers WITH NYC $67,798,609
Nebraska $54,487,990
Maryland $50,818,889
Boston College $48,382,692
Notre Dame $47,629,255
Kansas $46,320,092
Missouri $45,901,459
Syracuse $43,504,813
Connecticut $38,080,271
Pittsburgh $34,365,175
Iowa State $31,831,077

Syracuse WITH NYC $65,874,573

Observation: the highest team on this list not named Texas and not already in the Big Ten is Boston College. BC is a small private school. UConn is just down the road from BC and is a well-funded state flagship school.

Question: Why wouldn't the Big Ten be interested in adding UConn if BC would be so valuable - wouldn't UConn provide virtually the same New England access as BC?

Seriously, I'd like to get some thoughts on this.
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RE: Is the big interest in Connecticut and Kansas?
I don't see any interest in Boston College. If they were seriously looked at, then UConn would be too. Football history is the biggest difference between the two. Even if it's not much, the conference would prefer teams to have been playing for decades. Basketball add on might be more important though.

Regardless, neither provide good recruiting ground (a strong side reason for Maryland and Rutgers) and the conference isn't interested in going beyond 14 right now.
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(08-14-2014 06:54 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-31-2014 07:41 AM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  Kansas (and UConn would be as well) is a national TV add for BB, though KU has better markets than NU has (3M vs 2M pop and KC/Wichita vs Omaha), though NU had the huge national FB brand going for it. They are an add for BB content. Match-ups to draw more eyes to B1G BB contests nationally and on the B1GN. I like this chart from Frank the Tanks blog back before NU was added. It has been highly accurate about who the B1G has added thus far. It shows KU has more value than you think, though there are schools who were not evaluated that would be higher (such as UVA, OU, and UNC).


CANDIDATES TOTAL ADDED REVENUE ESTIMATE

Texas $101,369,004
Rutgers WITH NYC $67,798,609
Nebraska $54,487,990
Maryland $50,818,889
Boston College $48,382,692
Notre Dame $47,629,255
Kansas $46,320,092
Missouri $45,901,459
Syracuse $43,504,813
Connecticut $38,080,271
Pittsburgh $34,365,175
Iowa State $31,831,077

Syracuse WITH NYC $65,874,573

Observation: the highest team on this list not named Texas and not already in the Big Ten is Boston College. BC is a small private school. UConn is just down the road from BC and is a well-funded state flagship school.

Question: Why wouldn't the Big Ten be interested in adding UConn if BC would be so valuable - wouldn't UConn provide virtually the same New England access as BC?

Seriously, I'd like to get some thoughts on this.

The difference in that projection is 2 million dollars between BC and Kansas. The other differences between the two Institutions far eclipse two millions dollars and favor Kansas.
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Totally agree - given the choice, take Kansas! (not to mention the fact that the last 2 additions were both in the East, so the teams in the B1G West might like some new blood, too).
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(08-14-2014 10:44 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Totally agree - given the choice, take Kansas! (not to mention the fact that the last 2 additions were both in the East, so the teams in the B1G West might like some new blood, too).

You actually touch upon a very heated subject in the Big Ten. People understand the value of moving into Maryland and New Jersey but they see the Big Ten as a Midwest first conference. Another move in the East may not be well received at all where as a move in the Midwest with two schools that each have a blue blood money making sports program, now that would soothe a lot of Big Ten folks.
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(07-31-2014 07:41 AM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  CANDIDATES TOTAL ADDED REVENUE ESTIMATE

Texas $101,369,004
Rutgers WITH NYC $67,798,609
Nebraska $54,487,990
Maryland $50,818,889
Boston College $48,382,692
Notre Dame $47,629,255
Kansas $46,320,092
Missouri $45,901,459
Syracuse $43,504,813
Connecticut $38,080,271
Pittsburgh $34,365,175
Iowa State $31,831,077

Syracuse WITH NYC $65,874,573
On the other hand, since the next Big Ten expansion seems likely to be a decade or more away, when that time comes it won't be based on decade-old guesstimates regarding valuation.
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(08-14-2014 07:35 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(07-31-2014 07:41 AM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  CANDIDATES TOTAL ADDED REVENUE ESTIMATE

Texas $101,369,004
Rutgers WITH NYC $67,798,609
Nebraska $54,487,990
Maryland $50,818,889
Boston College $48,382,692
Notre Dame $47,629,255
Kansas $46,320,092
Missouri $45,901,459
Syracuse $43,504,813
Connecticut $38,080,271
Pittsburgh $34,365,175
Iowa State $31,831,077

Syracuse WITH NYC $65,874,573
On the other hand, since the next Big Ten expansion seems likely to be a decade or more away, when that time comes it won't be based on decade-old guesstimates regarding valuation.

True, but it is also likely there will not likely be radical increases or decreases in the value of schools in relation to each other in only a decade. Of course since this was made in 2010, schools with more market value have been looked at due to the perceived weakness of the ACC (UVA, UNC) or possible relaxation of AAU preference (OU). If they redid this today, some schools not valued the first time would jump towards the top of the list. Wouldn't mean other schools on the list would no longer be worth adding, just that newer targets would be more valuable or perhaps fill current B1G needs better.

Mostly, I just posted to show Kansas had more estimated value to the B1G than some thought.
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(08-15-2014 12:14 PM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  True, but it is also likely there will not likely be radical increases or decreases in the value of schools in relation to each other in only a decade.
We actually cannot say that its unlikely that there will be radical changes in relative values of school, given that massive difference between the total share of media value of FB and BBall that goes to the conference, a restructure of sports governance where the value of BBall is responsible to prop up NCAA finances and FB, among other sports, is cross-subsidized by BBall could indeed result in radical changes in relative values of schools.

Indeed, under a restructure in which conferences get an equal share of media value of both FB and BBall, both Kansas and UConn would jump multiple positions in an ranking of school values.

And we cannot attach any reasonable likelihood that there will be a restructure like that in the coming decade, because much of that depends on decisions that have not yet been made. Its intrinsically uncertain, and any odds that somebody attaches to that is just their guess, without a strong foundation to it. The sane response is to wait and see what happens, and then react to it.

The other change that could quite possibly happen within a decade's time is a radical drop in the total share of media value available from the cable TV channel. Whatever would take its place is something that hasn't matured yet, and so there is no way to know in advance what changes in relative rankings would accompany that. There too, the sane response is to wait and see what happens, and then react to it.
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(08-16-2014 02:56 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  Indeed, under a restructure in which conferences get an equal share of media value of both FB and BBall, both Kansas and UConn would jump multiple positions in an ranking of school values.

This is a great point. I have been saying that this is coming sooner or later. Once the conferences have milked the football cow dry of extra dollars. They have the basketball cow sitting there barely touched, since the NCAA is the one taking almost all the milk.
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RE: Is the big interest in Connecticut and Kansas?
(08-24-2014 09:13 PM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  This is a great point. I have been saying that this is coming sooner or later. Once the conferences have milked the football cow dry of extra dollars. They have the basketball cow sitting there barely touched, since the NCAA is the one taking almost all the milk.
At present, both cows are giving a growing amount of their "green milk" per year, so even if its (roughly) 80% of the FB money and 20% of the BBall money, a lot of people don't want to upset the apple cart when its generating more money from year to year.

Which ties in with the second point, that is coming from a growing media value for live sports and a growing share of cable value from sports ... and if that gets disrupted, there might be more interest in changing the conference's share of the BBall pie.
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RE: Is the big interest in Connecticut and Kansas?
No no hell no
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RE: Is the big interest in Connecticut and Kansas?
(08-25-2014 11:26 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(08-24-2014 09:13 PM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  This is a great point. I have been saying that this is coming sooner or later. Once the conferences have milked the football cow dry of extra dollars. They have the basketball cow sitting there barely touched, since the NCAA is the one taking almost all the milk.
At present, both cows are giving a growing amount of their "green milk" per year, so even if its (roughly) 80% of the FB money and 20% of the BBall money, a lot of people don't want to upset the apple cart when its generating more money from year to year.

Which ties in with the second point, that is coming from a growing media value for live sports and a growing share of cable value from sports ... and if that gets disrupted, there might be more interest in changing the conference's share of the BBall pie.

are Kansas and uconn starting up wrestling programs I don't know about? No school without a wrestling program has ever got into the BIG
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RE: Is the big interest in Connecticut and Kansas?
Doubtful. I wish KU had a wrestling program. Kids wrestling is huge in Kansas and neither KU or KSU have a program. Not to mention OSU (32 titles), OU (7 titles) and ISU (8 titles) have great programs. Wrestling is only a club sport at KU currently.

I doubt that a lack of wrestling would be the reason KU would get passed over if the were interested in moving to the B1G. Texas doesn't have a program either, and the B1G would let Texas in tomorrow if they called and wanted to join. More likely, there is would just be a candidate that the B1G liked better that would make it more money. I know schools like UVA, VT, UNC, Texas, OU and a few others come with better markets and/or their own top FB or BB brands and would make the B1G more money if they wanted to join.
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RE: Is the big interest in Connecticut and Kansas?
(09-16-2014 12:59 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(08-25-2014 11:26 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(08-24-2014 09:13 PM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  This is a great point. I have been saying that this is coming sooner or later. Once the conferences have milked the football cow dry of extra dollars. They have the basketball cow sitting there barely touched, since the NCAA is the one taking almost all the milk.
At present, both cows are giving a growing amount of their "green milk" per year, so even if its (roughly) 80% of the FB money and 20% of the BBall money, a lot of people don't want to upset the apple cart when its generating more money from year to year.

Which ties in with the second point, that is coming from a growing media value for live sports and a growing share of cable value from sports ... and if that gets disrupted, there might be more interest in changing the conference's share of the BBall pie.

are Kansas and uconn starting up wrestling programs I don't know about? No school without a wrestling program has ever got into the BIG

No wrestling - however UCONN would bring a hockey program (both men's and women's) and expand B1G hockey into New England, where there is great recruiting and a great hockey following.

On another note...interesting how Missouri just scheduled a home and home series with UCONN football today, especially after recently announcing they would no longer be scheduling G5 opponents on the road...

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