(07-03-2014 01:47 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 01:37 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 01:35 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 01:33 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 01:23 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  The circumstances of adding ECU and Tulane?

ECU and TULANE re light years ahead of most MWC schools. The MWC is an academic cesspool and many of the MWC schools can't afford the upcoming measures to help the athletes. Tulane and ECU are all in.

ECU and TULANE are committed partners. TULANE just built a new stadium and both universities just made great coaching hires.

Seriously, the MWC WISHES they had a full set of institutions with their clout and commitment.

Is that why there were so many MWC teams like BSU and SDSU wanting to join up with them? Oh wait.

Not sure how that addresses the issues of being poor and academically challenged...

Not sure what that has to do with football......

Conferences are about a lot more than football. And, in the future, if you can't pay, you'll be playing 2nd tier.
Your buddies in the MWC aren't united in staying at that absolute top tier of competition.

(07-03-2014 01:45 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 01:17 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 01:15 PM)ElectricCoogaloo Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 01:09 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 01:08 PM)ElectricCoogaloo Wrote:  Until the rest of your conference leaves for the AAC and your TV deal gets imploded

Like many have said before. Why leave for the same (or less if you count putting Oly's in the BW) $? With Tulane/Tulsa/SMU/HOU as your "western division" LOL. That ship has sailed my friend.

Maybe you should ask your SDSU colleagues... they come over here and talk about leaving quite a bit.

I think they should go indy myself. They would have stayed if you could have found anyone else who would go. But ya couldnt.

Actually the AAC found someone better but weren't from the west... ECU sound familiar!?!

ECU and Tulane are a better fit for you guys than BSU and SDSU. That is why BSU and SDSU backed out.

(07-03-2014 01:51 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  

Congrats on the Hawaii bowl. BSU does terrible in those. I will take it with the BCS wins though.

Just tell yourself whatever you need to to feel good about your program.

MWC just isn't as strong as the AAC. Even when SMU was a 6-6 CUSA team in 2012 they destroyed MWC Co-Champion Fresno State in the Hawaii Bowl.

(07-03-2014 01:54 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 01:45 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 01:17 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 01:15 PM)ElectricCoogaloo Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 01:09 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  Like many have said before. Why leave for the same (or less if you count putting Oly's in the BW) $? With Tulane/Tulsa/SMU/HOU as your "western division" LOL. That ship has sailed my friend.

Maybe you should ask your SDSU colleagues... they come over here and talk about leaving quite a bit.

I think they should go indy myself. They would have stayed if you could have found anyone else who would go. But ya couldnt.

Actually the AAC found someone better but weren't from the west... ECU sound familiar!?!

ECU and Tulane are a better fit for you guys than BSU and SDSU. That is why BSU and SDSU backed out.

We appreciated the gesture. UCF's win proved to be quite lucrative, and on top of that, we share that exit check.

imo, Boise's strategy of playing with scrubs worked a few years ago; And I can't blame you for trying to rekindle what you've lost in recent years.

This conference obviously wouldn't allow Boise to be Boise...

And, as long as you sign the check, I am very fine with our membership.

(07-03-2014 01:54 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 01:47 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 01:37 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 01:35 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 01:33 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  ECU and TULANE re light years ahead of most MWC schools. The MWC is an academic cesspool and many of the MWC schools can't afford the upcoming measures to help the athletes. Tulane and ECU are all in.

ECU and TULANE are committed partners. TULANE just built a new stadium and both universities just made great coaching hires.

Seriously, the MWC WISHES they had a full set of institutions with their clout and commitment.

Is that why there were so many MWC teams like BSU and SDSU wanting to join up with them? Oh wait.

Not sure how that addresses the issues of being poor and academically challenged...

Not sure what that has to do with football......

Conferences are about a lot more than football. And, in the future, if you can't pay, you'll be playing 2nd tier.
Your buddies in the MWC aren't united in staying at that absolute top tier of competition.

How much does TV pay for that? And your saying if BSU and Tulane were in the same conf that BSU's academics would magically improve?

(07-03-2014 01:26 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 01:24 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 01:09 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 01:08 PM)ElectricCoogaloo Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 01:06 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  Coach Pete is like Jesus to you guys LOL. I'm sure BSU will be just fine. I can always find them on TV.

Until the rest of your conference leaves for the AAC and your TV deal gets imploded

Like many have said before. Why leave for the same (or less if you count putting Oly's in the BW) $? With Tulane/Tulsa/SMU/HOU as your "western division" LOL. That ship has sailed my friend.

The MWC won national championships in men's and women's Bball? You guys have all your FBall and Bball games on ESPN?

I wonder if there will be more Tulane or BSU games on ESPN this year.

Frankly it might be close, amazing considering we have sucked for a decade.

If I'm Aresco....I'm going to continue to say that The American is not looking to expand...and for those focused on the academies, Air Force has continually said they are not on board. All the while BYU will become more and more available, because of the likelihood of the American getting more in its next TV deal and BYU wanting the G5 access and playoff revenue.

As someone said, if BYU is in play...it's a game changer. A BYU + 3 scenario is most likely. SDSU would be one of those...and IMO, Boise and UNLV would be the others. I think its a waiting game until closer to the TV contract expiration...and obviously is contingent on BYU.

The MWC would backfill with UTEP, Rice, and either North Texas or Idaho (lost Boise) or both to get more of a Texas presence.

I think the 16 scenario would work fairly well with the 8 team divisions...and the long term outlook may be 18, with 9 team divisions, which allows for divisional play only.

(07-03-2014 02:22 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  As someone said, if BYU is in play...it's a game changer. A BYU + 3 scenario is most likely. SDSU would be one of those...and IMO, Boise and UNLV would be the others. I think its a waiting game until closer to the TV contract expiration...and obviously is contingent on BYU.

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I think the 16 scenario would work fairly well with the 8 team divisions...and the long term outlook may be 18, with 9 team divisions, which allows for divisional play only.

In 2-3 years, Boise St.'s glory days may easily wear off, at which point the Bronco's would settle into the same level as Fresno St.,...but in a much weaker market. So, I'm not so certain that Boise St. would be included in any BYU-plus-three scenario for the American.

If the new 60K-seat Las Vegas stadium actually happens, then UNLV is a no-brainer...if a western expansion makes sense. The western expansion could include BYU, UNLV, SDSU, and Air Force for all sports. BYU-Air Force and UNLV-SDSU for Olympic sports travel partners. That gets 4 new top-40 media markets, the Nay-Air Force military connection, and likely new bowl games in San Diego and Las Vegas.

If any conference goes to 16 teams, they should stay away from the two 8-team division scenarios. That is what destroyed the WAC. If you're in the same conference, you need to play each other. A better football structure is four 4-team pods. You play the 3 in your pod each year and then 2 of each of the other 3 pods. 9 game conference schedule - you play each team every other year and road trip to each team at least once every four years.

The conference championship participants are the two best pods winners, with various tie-breakers (see the current lobbying by the Big 12 and ACC re: championship game).

(07-03-2014 03:12 PM)YNot Wrote:  In 2-3 years, Boise St.'s glory days may easily wear off, at which point the Bronco's would settle into the same level as Fresno St.,...but in a much weaker market. So, I'm not so certain that Boise St. would be included in any BYU-plus-three scenario for the American.

If the new 60K-seat Las Vegas stadium actually happens, then UNLV is a no-brainer...if a western expansion makes sense. The western expansion could include BYU, UNLV, SDSU, and Air Force for all sports. BYU-Air Force and UNLV-SDSU for Olympic sports travel partners. That gets 4 new top-40 media markets, the Nay-Air Force military connection, and likely new bowl games in San Diego and Las Vegas.

If any conference goes to 16 teams, they should stay away from the two 8-team division scenarios. That is what destroyed the WAC. If you're in the same conference, you need to play each other. A better football structure is four 4-team pods. You play the 3 in your pod each year and then 2 of each of the other 3 pods. 9 game conference schedule - you play each team every other year and road trip to each team at least once every four years.

The conference championship participants are the two best pods winners, with various tie-breakers (see the current lobbying by the Big 12 and ACC re: championship game).

I've stated all of this multiple times previously. I believe the teams that would be included are;

BYU (Obviously as it would not occure without them)
AFA (If AFA is not on board then they are replaced with Fresno St.)
SDSU (Will be included in almost any scenario do to their willingness to stay last time.)
UNLV (Specificly as a travel bridge for SDSU and for the Bowl Game/Travel Destination)

So BYU, SDSU, UNLV and either AFA or Fresno St.

(07-03-2014 02:01 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  MWC just isn't as strong as the AAC. Even when SMU was a 6-6 CUSA team in 2012 they destroyed MWC Co-Champion Fresno State in the Hawaii Bowl.

It's much closer. National perception:

Former C-USA = Former WAC, with a slight edge to the former Big East schools because more than one participated in a BCS game.

But, Boise St.'s national perception still trumps anything American. 2014 will be a huge year - for Boise St. to prove that it hasn't lost its step and for the American to prove the UCF-Baylor wasn't a fluke.

(07-03-2014 03:21 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 03:12 PM)YNot Wrote:  In 2-3 years, Boise St.'s glory days may easily wear off, at which point the Bronco's would settle into the same level as Fresno St.,...but in a much weaker market. So, I'm not so certain that Boise St. would be included in any BYU-plus-three scenario for the American.

If the new 60K-seat Las Vegas stadium actually happens, then UNLV is a no-brainer...if a western expansion makes sense. The western expansion could include BYU, UNLV, SDSU, and Air Force for all sports. BYU-Air Force and UNLV-SDSU for Olympic sports travel partners. That gets 4 new top-40 media markets, the Nay-Air Force military connection, and likely new bowl games in San Diego and Las Vegas.

If any conference goes to 16 teams, they should stay away from the two 8-team division scenarios. That is what destroyed the WAC. If you're in the same conference, you need to play each other. A better football structure is four 4-team pods. You play the 3 in your pod each year and then 2 of each of the other 3 pods. 9 game conference schedule - you play each team every other year and road trip to each team at least once every four years.

The conference championship participants are the two best pods winners, with various tie-breakers (see the current lobbying by the Big 12 and ACC re: championship game).

I've stated all of this multiple times previously. I believe the teams that would be included are;

BYU (Obviously as it would not occure without them)
AFA (If AFA is not on board then they are replaced with Fresno St.)
SDSU (Will be included in almost any scenario do to their willingness to stay last time.)
UNLV (Specificly as a travel bridge for SDSU and for the Bowl Game/Travel Destination)

So BYU, SDSU, UNLV and either AFA or Fresno St.

While you're at it, why not just throw in UCLA and Arizona State as well?

(07-03-2014 03:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 03:21 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 03:12 PM)YNot Wrote:  In 2-3 years, Boise St.'s glory days may easily wear off, at which point the Bronco's would settle into the same level as Fresno St.,...but in a much weaker market. So, I'm not so certain that Boise St. would be included in any BYU-plus-three scenario for the American.

If the new 60K-seat Las Vegas stadium actually happens, then UNLV is a no-brainer...if a western expansion makes sense. The western expansion could include BYU, UNLV, SDSU, and Air Force for all sports. BYU-Air Force and UNLV-SDSU for Olympic sports travel partners. That gets 4 new top-40 media markets, the Nay-Air Force military connection, and likely new bowl games in San Diego and Las Vegas.

If any conference goes to 16 teams, they should stay away from the two 8-team division scenarios. That is what destroyed the WAC. If you're in the same conference, you need to play each other. A better football structure is four 4-team pods. You play the 3 in your pod each year and then 2 of each of the other 3 pods. 9 game conference schedule - you play each team every other year and road trip to each team at least once every four years.

The conference championship participants are the two best pods winners, with various tie-breakers (see the current lobbying by the Big 12 and ACC re: championship game).

I've stated all of this multiple times previously. I believe the teams that would be included are;

BYU (Obviously as it would not occure without them)
AFA (If AFA is not on board then they are replaced with Fresno St.)
SDSU (Will be included in almost any scenario do to their willingness to stay last time.)
UNLV (Specificly as a travel bridge for SDSU and for the Bowl Game/Travel Destination)

So BYU, SDSU, UNLV and either AFA or Fresno St.

While you're at it, why not just throw in UCLA and Arizona State as well?

While the previous post did have merit...your's "quo" is a waste of space. Not hating on you, but just calling a spade a spade. Hell, at least, you could have come up with a better smart arse answer.

(07-03-2014 11:30 AM)ECBrad Wrote:  I don't doubt that there are several scenarios in which it is possible to add MW schools. I just don't know that it is desirable.

We might need members like SDSU, Air Force, NM, etc.... to give us additional markets when we renew our TV contract.....

(07-03-2014 04:09 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 03:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  While you're at it, why not just throw in UCLA and Arizona State as well?

While the previous post did have merit...your's "quo" is a waste of space. Not hating on you, but just calling a spade a spade. Hell, at least, you could have come up with a better smart arse answer.

He's a tool and is just pissed because I have him on ignore. Besides, it's not like he's a true USF fan.

(07-03-2014 04:20 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 11:30 AM)ECBrad Wrote:  I don't doubt that there are several scenarios in which it is possible to add MW schools. I just don't know that it is desirable.

We might need members like SDSU, Air Force, NM, etc.... to give us additional markets when we renew our TV contract.....

Or...maybe we add SMU, Houston and UTSA for our TV contract.

(07-03-2014 01:09 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 01:08 PM)ElectricCoogaloo Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 01:06 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 01:05 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 01:00 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  I guess beating the big 12 champs in a BCS bowl is a big deal if you have never done it before. Congrats on the B ball though that was really neat.

All in the same year.. BCS, MBB, WBB..

Know your role, son. Boise's BCS feats are WAC lore, and were done under coach Pete. Irrelevant to the current MWC.

Coach Pete is like Jesus to you guys LOL. I'm sure BSU will be just fine. I can always find them on TV.

Until the rest of your conference leaves for the AAC and your TV deal gets imploded

Like many have said before. Why leave for the same (or less if you count putting Oly's in the BW) $? With Tulane/Tulsa/SMU/HOU as your "western division" LOL. That ship has sailed my friend.

I think that's the key. Any offer has to include 4 MW teams and be all-sports invites. No Big West crap. When you calculated in the cost of Boise having to pay nearly 1 million in Big West travel subsidies, the decision to stay in the MW was easy.

(07-03-2014 04:23 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Or...maybe we add SMU, Houston and UTSA for our TV contract.

I honestly don't think SMU would make that jump. But UTSA would in a heart beat. Houston?

The biggest problem with the current MWC is that there are too many bottom dwellers...and you have teams in Laramie and Logan. And, you don't need 4 teams in the I-25 corridor. OK. That's three biggest problems. And Fresno St. is in Fresno, not San Jose.