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RE: More Big Ten games coming to Yankee Stadium?
On another note folks can we try and all get along here. Some of us have been in the Big Ten for all of 10 minutes and we're already fighting.

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(08-07-2014 06:14 AM)brista21 Wrote:  On another note folks can we try and all get along here. Some of us have been in the Big Ten for all of 10 minutes and we're already fighting.

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Nobody really hates Rutgers. Its just that the big ten has been making a lot moves ever since it become a tv network that are not popular with the midwest fan base.

The leaders and legends fiasco, that stupid B1G abbreviation. Using A conference name that makes no sense anymore. Playing the basketball tourney in DC and maybe NYC. Creating a trophy for the Iowa-Nebraska game called the Heroes game. Expanding to the east coast instead of picking quality schools that are closer like Pitt and Missouri. They all have the same thing in common. Making decisions based on marketing and branding and tv sets instead of making decisions that would actually be popular with the core fans. Delaney and company are acting like tv executives instead of acting like sports fans. People are like, look how much money they are making. Who cares.

This whole thread about playing in yankee stadium has lots of midwest fans annoyed because we would rather had added a team that was closer like Missouri and then maybe we would be talking about playing in St. Louis, a place we can actually drive to.

I apologize for us making it personal, its just I never had any interest in the conference expanding to DC or NYC. 2 places that I have no desire to travel to just to watch a ball game.
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I did not know the core fan base was clamoring for Pitt. I do agree that they missed the boat on Mizzou. I also think that adding RU and UMD had at least something to do with shoring up the Eastern side of the conference, especially around Penn State ( who I doubt is looking to do Pitt any favors).

As an Eastern football guy, I would've preferred life pre-2004, but it is what it is. You can't blame the B1G for trying to secure it's long term interests.
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(08-07-2014 07:20 PM)goofus Wrote:  
(08-07-2014 06:14 AM)brista21 Wrote:  On another note folks can we try and all get along here. Some of us have been in the Big Ten for all of 10 minutes and we're already fighting.

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Nobody really hates Rutgers. Its just that the big ten has been making a lot moves ever since it become a tv network that are not popular with the midwest fan base.

The leaders and legends fiasco, that stupid B1G abbreviation. Using A conference name that makes no sense anymore. Playing the basketball tourney in DC and maybe NYC. Creating a trophy for the Iowa-Nebraska game called the Heroes game. Expanding to the east coast instead of picking quality schools that are closer like Pitt and Missouri. They all have the same thing in common. Making decisions based on marketing and branding and tv sets instead of making decisions that would actually be popular with the core fans. Delaney and company are acting like tv executives instead of acting like sports fans. People are like, look how much money they are making. Who cares.

This whole thread about playing in yankee stadium has lots of midwest fans annoyed because we would rather had added a team that was closer like Missouri and then maybe we would be talking about playing in St. Louis, a place we can actually drive to.

I apologize for us making it personal, its just I never had any interest in the conference expanding to DC or NYC. 2 places that I have no desire to travel to just to watch a ball game.

Trust me I'm sympathetic to the midwest/East Coast divide that long time Big Ten fans have. Penn State which is somewhat similar culturally and as a football juggernaut were a fit it seems most Big Ten fans took to quickly. Nebraska besides the forced trophy with Iowa (granted I feel like a solid rivalry would develop over time anyway) again was a natural fit and a hundred years ago Nebraska tried to join anyway. Rutgers and Maryland while institutionally are clear and natural fits, they are areas culturally very different from everyone outside of perhaps Northwestern and Penn State.

I'm with you on the B1G abbreviation. Its fine as a logo, in fact I really like it as a logo, but when writing I much prefer to use Big Ten.

I don't think any of the fans like the Yankee Stadium idea. College football outside of the bowls or a very occasional neutral site game should be played on campus where it belongs. To me the notable exceptions would be Florida-Georgia which has traditionally been played in Jacksonville and Arkansas's annual game(s) in Little Rock which are a tradition for them.
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I am game for any Big 10 team that wants to take a crack at Army in Yankee Stadium. Hopefully, Army and Rutgers can put a series together in Yankee Stadium.
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Well it wasn't like Rutgers fans were clamoring for more games at YS, either. It's the naive sports writers and elites who keep bringing this issue up.
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(08-11-2014 07:12 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  I am game for any Big 10 team that wants to take a crack at Army in Yankee Stadium. Hopefully, Army and Rutgers can put a series together in Yankee Stadium.

I would prefer to move our series back on campus beyond 2015. I'd also like to see some sort of announcement that we've added additional games onto the series. I like playing Army and Navy with regularity and consider both schools rivals in football. I think Army and Rutgers are interested in extending their series, but I'm not sure that Navy is interested in extending the series with Rutgers at the moment.
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(08-07-2014 07:20 PM)goofus Wrote:  
(08-07-2014 06:14 AM)brista21 Wrote:  On another note folks can we try and all get along here. Some of us have been in the Big Ten for all of 10 minutes and we're already fighting.

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Nobody really hates Rutgers. Its just that the big ten has been making a lot moves ever since it become a tv network that are not popular with the midwest fan base.

(1) The leaders and legends fiasco, (2) that stupid B1G abbreviation. (3) Using A conference name that makes no sense anymore. Playing the basketball tourney in DC and maybe NYC. Creating a trophy for the Iowa-Nebraska game called the Heroes game. (4) Expanding to the east coast instead of picking quality schools that are closer like Pitt and Missouri. They all have the same thing in common. Making decisions based on marketing and branding and tv sets instead of making decisions that would actually be popular with the core fans. Delaney and company are acting like tv executives instead of acting like sports fans. People are like, look how much money they are making. Who cares.

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(1) Yeah, even when observing from a distance as an ACC fan, the Legends/Leaders division names were cringe worthy. Not sure how the powers that be thought for a second these would be acceptable to the media or the public. The Maryland and Rutgers additions helped banish these abominations to the waste bin of history by allowing for geographic based divisions. Sure it could have been done without them, but their arrival certainly made it easier to push through.

(2) I'm not the biggest fan of this either, but have sort of gotten used to it at this point.

(3) This one I am more torn on. There is a lot of branding to the "Big Ten" name that I think is lost if it became Big 11, then Big 12 (well they could not have done that) and then Big 14. I am ok with the name even if the numeric part of it no longer makes sense. Part of the charm of college athletic conferences imo.

(4) Agree with another poster above, do not recall the Big Ten ever being that high on Pitt. Mizzou was a miss for sure, but do not think Pitt brings any more to the conference than Maryland or Rutgers overall.

I think the Big Ten was also looking further ahead than just TV markets. The population in the midwest overall is stagnant and while some northeastern states are also exporting people, it remains a very densely populous and prosperous part of the country. Delaney and the Big Ten presidents knew they needed to diversify out of the midwest to not survive, but thrive, and I think their judgment is sound.

Another thing to consider it to what extent these schools were added to appease Penn State, which until then was an eastern appendage in a midwest conference. Personally as a Maryland alum from New Jersey I am fine with the switch in association from a predominantly southern conference dominated by NC schools to one with roots in what I consider more similar northern states.

(08-12-2014 12:01 PM)brista21 Wrote:  
(08-11-2014 07:12 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  I am game for any Big 10 team that wants to take a crack at Army in Yankee Stadium. Hopefully, Army and Rutgers can put a series together in Yankee Stadium.

I would prefer to move our series back on campus beyond 2015. I'd also like to see some sort of announcement that we've added additional games onto the series. I like playing Army and Navy with regularity and consider both schools rivals in football. I think Army and Rutgers are interested in extending their series, but I'm not sure that Navy is interested in extending the series with Rutgers at the moment.

Maryland and Navy have been off and on trying to renew their series. For whatever reasons the schools are not the most interested in doing it regularly but there is a lot of demand within Maryland to see the two in-state schools square off. Just as it is logical for Rutgers to play nearby Army, makes more sense for Maryland to play locally against Navy.
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(08-14-2014 10:25 AM)Brick City Wrote:  Maryland and Navy have been off and on trying to renew their series. For whatever reasons the schools are not the most interested in doing it regularly but there is a lot of demand within Maryland to see the two in-state schools square off. Just as it is logical for Rutgers to play nearby Army, makes more sense for Maryland to play locally against Navy.

Agreed. We need some more Crab Bowls already.
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(08-07-2014 09:53 PM)chrisRU Wrote:  I did not know the core fan base was clamoring for Pitt. I do agree that they missed the boat on Mizzou.
I wouldn't have minded Mizzou, but Nebraska was a bigger school to add, and after Nebraska there was no real #13 available for Mizzou to pair up as #14 until after Mizzou had already gone to the SEC.
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1. On the name, never switch from Big Ten unless you are going back to The Western Conference (original nickname). Too much history there.

2. Navy's schedule is tied with the move to the American. They have 8 conference games, Army, Notre Dame, and Air Force every year. That's one free spot.

3. Agree to not loving the B1G abbreviation (to the extent I abbreviate at all I use B10), but I don't hate the logo and that abbreviation was going to happen after the logo was introduced. As long as people don't start calling it B-1-G I guess I'll be OK.

4. Midwestern expansion schools would have made the vast majority of Big Ten fans happier (including me), but honestly so would no expansion at all after Nebraska. I didn't care for the move, but think it was the smart one none-the-less. Penn State had to be secured from their perspective and you added two schools with the best remaining recruiting grounds and good markets.
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(08-15-2014 10:43 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  1. On the name, never switch from Big Ten unless you are going back to The Western Conference (original nickname). Too much history there.

2. Navy's schedule is tied with the move to the American. They have 8 conference games, Army, Notre Dame, and Air Force every year. That's one free spot.

3. Agree to not loving the B1G abbreviation (to the extent I abbreviate at all I use B10), but I don't hate the logo and that abbreviation was going to happen after the logo was introduced. As long as people don't start calling it B-1-G I guess I'll be OK.

4. Midwestern expansion schools would have made the vast majority of Big Ten fans happier (including me), but honestly so would no expansion at all after Nebraska. I didn't care for the move, but think it was the smart one none-the-less. Penn State had to be secured from their perspective and you added two schools with the best remaining recruiting grounds and good markets.

The bolded is a completely fair statement. Might not be what everyone wanted (including Maryland fans who were/are very loyal to the ACC) but it was the right long term play.
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Frank the Tank makes the point that before expansion there were only two strong football recruiting states outside of the Sunbelt (defined broadly) that were not in the Big Ten footprint already.

New Jersey, and Maryland.

There's an odd coincidence, for those who think that its all about chasing media dollars via carriage fees and not at all about chasing media dollars via the quality of the football played in the conference. Regular games in New Jersey and Maryland is surely going to improve the Big Ten's share of the recruits coming out of those states.
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(08-16-2014 03:27 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  Frank the Tank makes the point that before expansion there were only two strong football recruiting states outside of the Sunbelt (defined broadly) that were not in the Big Ten footprint already.

New Jersey, and Maryland.

There's an odd coincidence, for those who think that its all about chasing media dollars via carriage fees and not at all about chasing media dollars via the quality of the football played in the conference. Regular games in New Jersey and Maryland is surely going to improve the Big Ten's share of the recruits coming out of those states.

I think heat maps I've come across for 2014 CFB rosters of B1G and ACC also agree. It looks like the recruiting pie in those areas will have a lot of competition for slices.

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I've also found heat maps for PAC 12 & Big 12 CFB 2014 Rosters recruits home states which also show from Northeast Corridor.

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Nice maps. While I don't think Maryland and Rutgers were chosen with recruiting being THE reason, I think recruiting is a much bigger factor for the Big Ten than everyone else. Too much is made of the population shift as the Midwest is still highly populated and will be more so than other regions for a long time. With the recruiting grounds though, we have seen football recruiting, move more and more south and it's difficult for a lot of schools that are used to a fair amount of success to keep up with that changing dynamic. The Big Ten has plenty of traditional names and mid-range teams, but with so much top and mid recruiting now in the Sunbelt states, the Big Ten is now left as the only major conference without a strong presence in one of those big states and it's very much felt.
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New member to this forum and my first post.

As a Penn State fan and alum I would love to see PSU play a game in Yankee Stadium. As others have stated I don't imagine Penn State would give up a home game to play in Yankee Stadium but it could be the return game in a home and home series just as the Ireland game is the "away" game in a home and home series with UCF. It could also serve as a stand alone neutral sight game. Perhaps UConn for a home and home or single game? As for a BiG game at YS the only match up that would make any sense would be Rutgers and PSU as a Rutgers home game and I don't know how Rutgers would feel about giving up a home game against a team that stands to be one of their main rivals in the BiG. I can't imagine ANY other BiG school that would want to give up a home game to play at Yankee Stadium. Just my perspective as PSU fan.
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Welcome scobe!
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(07-28-2014 05:27 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  Maybe the B10 could get the ACC to agree to an early season football challenge. It would feature the Northern ACC schools vs the second tier B10 schools. They all could use raising their profiles in the New York market and a 50,000 seat stadium would be perfect size for say UVa vs Purdue.

Maybe the eastern time zone Big Ten teams might be interested in an ACC north challenge. I am guessing the Central time zone teams would be in interested more in a Big 12 challenge.
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