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(08-01-2014 11:40 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Which 4 teams would ND fans like to play 5 times instead of 4? Ready...GO!

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Why should the ACC "adjust" any more for Notre Dame? They already get our bowl spots, bowl money & a place for all of their other sports. If Notre Dame wants to play Pitt than they can put them on their schedule like any of their other rivals. The ACC doesn't need to let ND leach off of them to the extent that the Big East did. I'm happy that ND is apart of the ACC but they need to get over themselves & quit expecting everyone to bend over for them.

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Lenville...ND doesn't take bowl money from the ACC. I theorize they net add money to our Bowl lineup. The 2nd and 3rd tier bowls all want Notre Dame. I would like them as a full member too...but I'd rather have them as a partial in the ACC than as a partial in the B1G.
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(08-02-2014 10:29 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Lenville...ND doesn't take bowl money from the ACC. I theorize they net add money to our Bowl lineup. The 2nd and 3rd tier bowls all want Notre Dame. I would like them as a full member too...but I'd rather have them as a partial in the ACC than as a partial in the B1G.

They do take money for bowls from the ACC. Now if you are just arguing that they add as much as they take then go right ahead. But to say they don't get money from the ACC bowl pool is incorrect.
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(08-02-2014 10:06 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Why should the ACC "adjust" any more for Notre Dame? They already get our bowl spots, bowl money & a place for all of their other sports. If Notre Dame wants to play Pitt than they can put them on their schedule like any of their other rivals. The ACC doesn't need to let ND leach off of them to the extent that the Big East did. I'm happy that ND is apart of the ACC but they need to get over themselves & quit expecting everyone to bend over for them.

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I am not advocating for any current " adjustments".

Look, I am good with not playing Pitt every year, that is one consequence of the ACC deal.

But, we have one poster here who wants to imply this is a unilateral ND decision when it is not.

The ACC is certainly a big participant in this regard.
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(08-02-2014 08:22 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(08-01-2014 11:32 PM)opossum Wrote:  
(08-01-2014 11:13 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(08-01-2014 10:48 PM)opossum Wrote:  
(08-01-2014 10:26 PM)TerryD Wrote:  ND views it as a ceiling. Who the hell ever said it was a "floor"?

Duke is in a conference with Pitt, ND is not.

If the ACC wants to help Pitt, drop the ACC requirement to four games plus Pitt every year.

So if USC, Stanford, Purdue and Navy joined the ACC tomorrow, Notre Dame would stop playing them forever unless the ACC told them to play? I don't see anything independent about that. Play who you want to play if you're really independent. You've wanted to play Pitt every year up until now, what changed?

If you don't want to play Pitt every year now just say so. The ACC has nothing to do with that.

It is a "floor" because Notre Dame agreed to play at least 5 ACC games a year (on average). If there is a provision that would prohibit Notre Dame and Pitt from playing in years that they are not scheduled by the ACC I am not aware of it. Are you?

If the ACC had added UConn (ugh) instead of Pitt in 2011, and Notre Dame had the same 5-game deal with the ACC today would you still be scheduling Pitt every year?


"Sigh". You don't get it, do you.

ND is not going to give the ACC more than five games per year, period.

Trying to sneak Pitt in as a "non-ACC" game is clever, but no sale.


To answer your last question, yes probably.

If Pitt was not in the ACC, there is a decent chance ND would play Pitt more often in the future than it will as part of the ACC agreement.

I fully "get it." Not sure you do.

It's clear from your responses that Pitt has no one to blame but Notre Dame for losing the annual series. You didn't answer my question about USC, Stanford, Purdue and Navy. Is Notre Dame independent or not?

It seems like Notre Dame fans have some adjusting to do. It will happen for most.


There is no way in hell that ND would agree to the loss of the USC, Stanford and Navy games every year, no matter what.

The ACC would have to adjust for that, just as I am suggesting they should for Pitt.

Purdue? The hell with Purdue. I hope ND never plays them again in the future.

Independent=having the ability to play schools from every P5 conference and play all over the country.

Five ACC games per year hamstrings that ability. But, so it goes, the ACC deal was a good one for both sides.

However, more than five games is not the deal and hampers independence.

It would constrict ND's ability to schedule Arizona State and Georgia, for example. No sale.

The limit is five ACC games per season. That is bad enough. Six or more is not acceptable. There is no "ND fan adjusting" required.

The ACC could make Pitt an annual ND game that counts towards the five game requirement.

Therefore, it is not strictly an ND deal regarding Pitt as you want to make it out to be.

If we have to put up with the Irish, then 5 games a year is plenty. This partial membership business is a lot better than having to deal with them on a full time basis (which unfortunately I believe will happen sometime within the next 7-10 years).
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(07-31-2014 10:51 PM)opossum Wrote:  I'm quite sure the deal with the ACC doesn't limit Notre Dame to five games a year against ACC teams. It's a floor, not a ceiling. If you like playing Pitt every year, and if you are independent and can play whomever you want then play Pitt every year. Nothing is stopping you.

a perspicacious (keen) observation on your part ...
I would expect nothing less from a dukie ...
I've come to glean that "independence" is whatever the hell they want it to mean ...
no rhyme or reason ...
just whatever serves their purpose ...
well, when this great experiment falls apart under the weight of selfish interest ...
they'll only have themselves to blame ...

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(08-01-2014 10:26 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Independent=having the ability to play schools from every P5 conference

http://www.und.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-...13aaa.html

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(08-01-2014 10:26 PM)TerryD Wrote:  The limit is five ACC games per season. That is bad enough. Six or more is not acceptable.

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(08-01-2014 03:13 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Our goal is to maintain independence. But you never say never. It’s not that we prefer to ever pursue an alternative, but you could imagine further changes down the road, as people project further consolidation of conferences. I don’t think that’s going to happen, at least not during my professional career, but that’s the only way we’d do it.
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(08-02-2014 10:49 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  
(08-02-2014 10:29 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Lenville...ND doesn't take bowl money from the ACC. I theorize they net add money to our Bowl lineup. The 2nd and 3rd tier bowls all want Notre Dame. I would like them as a full member too...but I'd rather have them as a partial in the ACC than as a partial in the B1G.

They do take money for bowls from the ACC. Now if you are just arguing that they add as much as they take then go right ahead. But to say they don't get money from the ACC bowl pool is incorrect.

They bring in more money than they take out...that was my point. Whether they grab some $$$ from a 2nd or 3rd tier bowl is secondary.
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ACC absorbs the cost of unsold bowl tickets. Guess who's bowl will probably have the least of those available. With the ACC's current bowl lineup, ND bowl games are guaranteed to be popular matchups.
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(08-02-2014 08:22 AM)TerryD Wrote:  There is no way in hell that ND would agree to the loss of the USC, Stanford and Navy games every year, no matter what.

The ACC would have to adjust for that, just as I am suggesting they should for Pitt.

Purdue? The hell with Purdue. I hope ND never plays them again in the future.

Independent=having the ability to play schools from every P5 conference and play all over the country.

Five ACC games per year hamstrings that ability. But, so it goes, the ACC deal was a good one for both sides.

However, more than five games is not the deal and hampers independence.

It would constrict ND's ability to schedule Arizona State and Georgia, for example. No sale.

The limit is five ACC games per season. That is bad enough. Six or more is not acceptable. There is no "ND fan adjusting" required.

The ACC could make Pitt an annual ND game that counts towards the five game requirement.

Therefore, it is not strictly an ND deal regarding Pitt as you want to make it out to be.

I think you misunderstand Notre Dame's end of the bargain. It is not solely for five games, it is for five games that are scheduled to rotate through the rest of the ACC on a more or less equal basis. All 14 full football schools play Notre Dame at least 4 years out of 12, two home and two away, over 12 years. Like it or not, that's the deal. No double home and away, there would have been no deal.

You're like the guy holding a gun to his head saying "stop or I'll shoot." You've played Pitt every year for what, eighty years? A hundred years? Anyway, the Pitt game has been a part of Notre Dame tradition for a very long time. Note I said Notre Dame tradition. It's also a Pitt tradition. It has only been an ACC tradition for one game, and I couldn't even tell you who won it without looking it up. I hope it was Pitt.

The ACC certainly isn't going to incur great costs (less than a double home and away for everyone in the league) to preserve a rivalry and tradition that Notre Dame itself won't even incur minimal costs (AT MOST 8 nonconference slots - but as few as four - over 12 years playing a team that up until this petulance NOTRE DAME WANTED TO PLAY EVERY YEAR) to preserve.

It's just goofy. They're your rivals. It's your responsibility to maintain the rivalries you want to maintain. Expecting others including Duke (which has absolutely no interest whatsoever in how often Pitt and Notre Dame play, I didn't even know it was a thing until Pitt got the invite) to pay a lot to preserve YOUR rivalries when you are publicly and visibly refusing to lift a finger to do so is the height of arrogance. Don't blame others for not incurring great costs to provide a benefit to you that you won't pay a mere dime for. Education in the original sense of the word is all about leading people away from that mentality, and towards a more ethical and responsible grounding.

I'm starting to think that the people who place the most importance in the concept of a "conference" are Notre Dame fans. I really at bottom don't care what conference Duke is in, or if Duke is in a conference at all. I care about what teams Duke plays. That's why TerryD's, and apparently Notre Dame's, attitude about playing Pitt is so alien and jarring (and fascinating) to me. It's the same appeal as reality tv, people behaving in completely irrational and self-destructive ways and acting like it's the most normal thing in the world. I consider this thread to be my first deep-dive introduction to Notre Dame's mindset, despite a few exchanges with TerryD and others in the past, so I say: welcome, Notre Dame; this will be fun to watch.

And don't forget that this is not the 2005-2012 Big East. Notre Dame is dealing with equals now, and you don't have any non-football schools looking out for you. Show us your education and adjust.
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(08-02-2014 10:51 PM)opossum Wrote:  
(08-02-2014 08:22 AM)TerryD Wrote:  There is no way in hell that ND would agree to the loss of the USC, Stanford and Navy games every year, no matter what.

The ACC would have to adjust for that, just as I am suggesting they should for Pitt.

Purdue? The hell with Purdue. I hope ND never plays them again in the future.

Independent=having the ability to play schools from every P5 conference and play all over the country.

Five ACC games per year hamstrings that ability. But, so it goes, the ACC deal was a good one for both sides.

However, more than five games is not the deal and hampers independence.

It would constrict ND's ability to schedule Arizona State and Georgia, for example. No sale.

The limit is five ACC games per season. That is bad enough. Six or more is not acceptable. There is no "ND fan adjusting" required.

The ACC could make Pitt an annual ND game that counts towards the five game requirement.

Therefore, it is not strictly an ND deal regarding Pitt as you want to make it out to be.

I think you misunderstand Notre Dame's end of the bargain. It is not solely for five games, it is for five games that are scheduled to rotate through the rest of the ACC on a more or less equal basis. All 14 full football schools play Notre Dame at least 4 years out of 12, two home and two away, over 12 years. Like it or not, that's the deal. No double home and away, there would have been no deal.

You're like the guy holding a gun to his head saying "stop or I'll shoot." You've played Pitt every year for what, eighty years? A hundred years? Anyway, the Pitt game has been a part of Notre Dame tradition for a very long time. Note I said Notre Dame tradition. It's also a Pitt tradition. It has only been an ACC tradition for one game, and I couldn't even tell you who won it without looking it up. I hope it was Pitt.

The ACC certainly isn't going to incur great costs (less than a double home and away for everyone in the league) to preserve a rivalry and tradition that Notre Dame itself won't even incur minimal costs (AT MOST 8 nonconference slots - but as few as four - over 12 years playing a team that up until this petulance NOTRE DAME WANTED TO PLAY EVERY YEAR) to preserve.

It's just goofy. They're your rivals. It's your responsibility to maintain the rivalries you want to maintain. Expecting others including Duke (which has absolutely no interest whatsoever in how often Pitt and Notre Dame play, I didn't even know it was a thing until Pitt got the invite) to pay a lot to preserve YOUR rivalries when you are publicly and visibly refusing to lift a finger to do so is the height of arrogance. Don't blame others for not incurring great costs to provide a benefit to you that you won't pay a dime for. Education in the original sense of the word is all about leading people away from that mentality, and towards a more ethical and responsible grounding.

I'm starting to think that the people who place the most importance in the concept of a "conference" are Notre Dame fans. I really at bottom don't care what conference Duke is in, or if Duke is in a conference at all. I care about what teams Duke plays. That's why TerryD's, and apparently Notre Dame's, attitude about playing Pitt is so alien and jarring (and fascinating) to me. It's the same appeal as reality tv, people behaving in completely irrational and self-destructive ways and acting like it's the most normal thing in the world. I consider this thread to be my first deep-dive introduction to Notre Dame's mindset, despite a few exchanges with TerryD and others in the past, so I say: welcome, Notre Dame; this will be fun to watch.

And don't forget that this is not the 2005-2012 Big East. Notre Dame is dealing with equals now, and you don't have any non-football schools looking out for you. Show us your education and adjust.

This post approaches the Gibberish Zone. Can you translate it into English for me?

I don't really care if ND plays Pitt every year. Actually, they have not played every year, historically.

Besides, that game is way more important to Pitt fans than ND fans.

You seem to not understand that. It is not that important to ND.

The Irish just jettisoned Michigan to stay independent and make the ACC deal work.

What makes you think that they care all that much about the Pitt series? ND played Michigan State and Purdue every year, now they are off the schedule.

If no annual or almost annual Pitt game, it will be a bigger loss to Pitt than ND. It is a nice, traditional game and used to be a good recruiting ground.

But that is all it is, and the Western Pennsylvania recruiting grounds have dried up fairly much in recent years.

It is way more important to Pitt because it was a guaranteed sellout at Pitt Stadium and, more importantly, at Heinz Field in recent years. Pitt historically has trouble selling out games unless ND, WVU or Penn State visit.

(I was born and raised 35 miles southeast of Pittsburgh so I know about the area and the Pitt/ND history).

Pitt is not really a "rival" in the minds of ND fans. It has been a good series recently and historically, but so it goes.

Michigan was more of a rival and they were tossed aside. The only games ND wants to keep every year are Southern Cal, Stanford and Navy.

What is important to ND fans is to NEVER join a football conference and NEVER play more than FIVE ACC games per year.

(I cannot stress this point enough).

That is the point you seem to miss. If the Pitt series is a casualty of the ACC pact, then so be it.

But, to try to argue that the end of the annual Pitt/ND game is all ND's fault is just completely incorrect.

I understand the ACC/ND deal, at least for the first three years.

I think that you are going to be surprised after that. It will likely not be an equal rotation.

I don't care either way as long as it is never more than five games per year.

As long as ND stays independent, it will always find good teams to play.

I feel bad for the Pitt fans, but the ACC deal is a huge part of this issue, not just ND.
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Can we please stop this ND/Pitt stuff. As Terry D has stated, ND isn't going beyond the 5 game limit with ACC opponents, especially since they fought so hard to get only 4 games and ACC wanted 6 games.

ND developed a good (but certainly not great) rivalry with Pitt over the years. But as Terry D has also pointed out, their new strategy seems focused in on not just national identity (which has always been there) but on playing in important recruiting areas.

At one time Western PA was one of the strongest recruiting areas in the country. But while it is still good, it's not at its once lofty peak (and probably never will be again) and so playing Pitt twice every six years was acceptable to ND to get that same exposure in Miami, Atlanta, Charlotte, etc.

Pitt should focus on renewing games with WVU and PSU to make up for the loss of ND and if that fails, they had a good rivalry developing with Cincy.

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(08-02-2014 11:17 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(08-02-2014 10:51 PM)opossum Wrote:  
(08-02-2014 08:22 AM)TerryD Wrote:  There is no way in hell that ND would agree to the loss of the USC, Stanford and Navy games every year, no matter what.

The ACC would have to adjust for that, just as I am suggesting they should for Pitt.

Purdue? The hell with Purdue. I hope ND never plays them again in the future.

Independent=having the ability to play schools from every P5 conference and play all over the country.

Five ACC games per year hamstrings that ability. But, so it goes, the ACC deal was a good one for both sides.

However, more than five games is not the deal and hampers independence.

It would constrict ND's ability to schedule Arizona State and Georgia, for example. No sale.

The limit is five ACC games per season. That is bad enough. Six or more is not acceptable. There is no "ND fan adjusting" required.

The ACC could make Pitt an annual ND game that counts towards the five game requirement.

Therefore, it is not strictly an ND deal regarding Pitt as you want to make it out to be.

I think you misunderstand Notre Dame's end of the bargain. It is not solely for five games, it is for five games that are scheduled to rotate through the rest of the ACC on a more or less equal basis. All 14 full football schools play Notre Dame at least 4 years out of 12, two home and two away, over 12 years. Like it or not, that's the deal. No double home and away, there would have been no deal.

You're like the guy holding a gun to his head saying "stop or I'll shoot." You've played Pitt every year for what, eighty years? A hundred years? Anyway, the Pitt game has been a part of Notre Dame tradition for a very long time. Note I said Notre Dame tradition. It's also a Pitt tradition. It has only been an ACC tradition for one game, and I couldn't even tell you who won it without looking it up. I hope it was Pitt.

The ACC certainly isn't going to incur great costs (less than a double home and away for everyone in the league) to preserve a rivalry and tradition that Notre Dame itself won't even incur minimal costs (AT MOST 8 nonconference slots - but as few as four - over 12 years playing a team that up until this petulance NOTRE DAME WANTED TO PLAY EVERY YEAR) to preserve.

It's just goofy. They're your rivals. It's your responsibility to maintain the rivalries you want to maintain. Expecting others including Duke (which has absolutely no interest whatsoever in how often Pitt and Notre Dame play, I didn't even know it was a thing until Pitt got the invite) to pay a lot to preserve YOUR rivalries when you are publicly and visibly refusing to lift a finger to do so is the height of arrogance. Don't blame others for not incurring great costs to provide a benefit to you that you won't pay a dime for. Education in the original sense of the word is all about leading people away from that mentality, and towards a more ethical and responsible grounding.

I'm starting to think that the people who place the most importance in the concept of a "conference" are Notre Dame fans. I really at bottom don't care what conference Duke is in, or if Duke is in a conference at all. I care about what teams Duke plays. That's why TerryD's, and apparently Notre Dame's, attitude about playing Pitt is so alien and jarring (and fascinating) to me. It's the same appeal as reality tv, people behaving in completely irrational and self-destructive ways and acting like it's the most normal thing in the world. I consider this thread to be my first deep-dive introduction to Notre Dame's mindset, despite a few exchanges with TerryD and others in the past, so I say: welcome, Notre Dame; this will be fun to watch.

And don't forget that this is not the 2005-2012 Big East. Notre Dame is dealing with equals now, and you don't have any non-football schools looking out for you. Show us your education and adjust.

This post approaches the Gibberish Zone. Can you translate it into English for me?

I don't really care if ND plays Pitt every year. Actually, they have not played every year, historically.

Besides, that game is way more important to Pitt fans than ND fans.

You seem to not understand that. It is not that important to ND.

The Irish just jettisoned Michigan to stay independent and make the ACC deal work.

What makes you think that they care all that much about the Pitt series? ND played Michigan State and Purdue every year, now they are off the schedule.

If no annual or almost annual Pitt game, it will be a bigger loss to Pitt than ND. It is a nice, traditional game and used to be a good recruiting ground.

But that is all it is, and the Western Pennsylvania recruiting grounds have dried up fairly much in recent years.

It is way more important to Pitt because it was a guaranteed sellout at Pitt Stadium and, more importantly, at Heinz Field in recent years. Pitt historically has trouble selling out games unless ND, WVU or Penn State visit.

(I was born and raised 35 miles southeast of Pittsburgh so I know about the area and the Pitt/ND history).

Pitt is not really a "rival" in the minds of ND fans. It has been a good series recently and historically, but so it goes.

Michigan was more of a rival and they were tossed aside. The only games ND wants to keep every year are Southern Cal, Stanford and Navy.

What is important to ND fans is to NEVER join a football conference and never play more than FIVE ACC games per year.

That is the point you seem to miss. If the Pitt series is a casualty of the ACC pact, then so be it.

But, to try to argue that the end of the annual Pitt/ND game is all ND's fault is just completely incorrect.

I understand the ACC/ND deal, at least for the first three years.

I think that you are going to be surprised after that. It will likely not be an equal rotation.

I don't care either way as long as it is never more than five games per year.

As long as ND stays independent, it will always find good teams to play.

I feel bad for the Pitt fans, but the ACC deal is a huge part of this issue, not just ND.

You seem to be contradicting yourself. Pitt's not a rival, and Notre Dame doesn't care about playing Pitt, but the ACC is somehow "a huge part" of keeping Notre Dame and Pitt from playing? I assure you, we're all for it, but we're not paying $100 for it when you could set it up for a nickle.

Can you acknowledge that there are absolutely no barriers to Notre Dame scheduling Pitt when the ACC doesn't schedule them other than your assertion that it is "important to ND fans to ... never play more than FIVE ACC games per year." Are you intellectually honest enough to do that? For extra intellectual honesty points, your response should take into account the fact that Notre Dame is scheduled to play SIX ACC teams in the season following this next one.

They set up the first three years of the rotation so that everyone played Notre Dame once as an intro. The next nine years won't be symmetric, but the end result will be that everyone played Notre Dame at least twice at home and twice away at the end of the twelve years. It's all out in the open.
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RE: ND/ACC finalizing future games
(08-02-2014 11:32 PM)omniorange Wrote:  Can we please stop this ND/Pitt stuff. As Terry D has stated, ND isn't going beyond the 5 game limit with ACC opponents, especially since they fought so hard to get only 4 games and ACC wanted 6 games.

ND developed a good (but certainly not great) rivalry with Pitt over the years. But as Terry D has also pointed out, their new strategy seems focused in on not just national identity (which has always been there) but on playing in important recruiting areas.

At one time Western PA was one of the strongest recruiting areas in the country. But while it is still good, it's not at its once lofty peak (and probably never will be again) and so playing Pitt twice every six years was acceptable to ND to get that same exposure in Miami, Atlanta, Charlotte, etc.

Pitt should focus on renewing games with WVU and PSU to make up for the loss of ND and if that fails, they had a good rivalry developing with Cincy.

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If Notre Dame wants to drop it's annual rivalry with Pitt, that's between Notre Dame and Pitt. If Notre Dame wants to drop it's annual rivalry with Pitt and blame the ACC, and by extension, Duke, that gets me involved.
08-02-2014 11:55 PM
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RE: ND/ACC finalizing future games
So ND fans don't give a crap about most of the ACC in terms of football. I'M SHOCKED.

Yet FSU fans are called "whiners" and "ungrateful" for stating how uninteresting the majority of the conference is.
08-03-2014 12:02 AM
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RE: ND/ACC finalizing future games
(08-03-2014 12:02 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  So ND fans don't give a crap about most of the ACC in terms of football. I'M SHOCKED.

Yet FSU fans are called "whiners" and "ungrateful" for stating how uninteresting the majority of the conference is.

We know ND fans don't have an interest in joining the ACC for football. When they come here they talk about sports and contribute to the discussion though. The difference is that FSU fans come to the ACC board only to tell fans of other ACC schools how ashamed they should be to support their team, how they obviously don't care about football, or life, and how they'd be better off not playing sports. As long as you keep telling the FANS of conferencemates how worthless their teams are, no matter the topic, they will view you as a "whiner".
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RE: ND/ACC finalizing future games
(07-30-2014 11:00 PM)brista21 Wrote:  I would imagine they are trying to get some combination of Georgia Tech, Miami, Pitt and BC matched up with ND in the 4 who play them 5 times. I mention these 4 as they are historically rivals for ND. (Well Georgia Tech truly historically and BC in recent decades, but you all know where I'm coming from here.) It seems Syracuse is the 4th team for that based on getting them twice in the first 3 year rotation.

The only question is what happens when the 12 years are up. Is ND off the hook from giving the ACC a guaranteed number of games per year? Or is it just time for renegotiation where ND might try and go to 4 games and the ACC might want 6 to allow ND to continue being a member?

I wouldn't read too much into the repeat games with Syracuse during the first rotation. Those were previously scheduled and worked in to the ACC commitment. Although the 2016 game probably could have been cancelled, I'm guessing the ACC saw these games, which are both being played at MetLife, as great opportunities to pump the ACC in NYC. I don't expect to see an extra turn in the rotation again any time soon (like the next 30 years).
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