The Big East had a very good shot at landing two teams in the BCS until LSU upset Arkansas. LSU would have been out of the picture with 3 losses and then it would have come down to a 1 loss Big East runner-up or a 2 loss SEC runner-up.

If the choice had been 1 loss West Virginia, if they had beaten South Florida, or 1 loss Louisville, if Rutgers had subsequently beaten the Mountaineers, the Big East team would have had the rankings to back up their claim for an at-large bid.

Now it is water under the bridge because the polls are severely underrating Louisville and Rutgers while severely punishing West Virginia. Meanwhile the Rose Bowl and the national media are all salivating over LSU after their win from Friday.

Krocker Krapp Wrote:Now it is water under the bridge because the polls are severely underrating Louisville and Rutgers while severely punishing West Virginia. Meanwhile the Rose Bowl and the national media are all salivating over LSU after their win from Friday.

Don't you think LSU is more deserving than West Viginia right now? LSU's two losses are to Florida and Auburn. Both on the road. WVU lost at Louisville, but lost to South Florida at home in Morgantown.

LSU has wins at Tennessee and at Arkansas. West Virginia's best wins are at home agaist Maryland and at Pitt.

3601 Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:Now it is water under the bridge because the polls are severely underrating Louisville and Rutgers while severely punishing West Virginia. Meanwhile the Rose Bowl and the national media are all salivating over LSU after their win from Friday.

Don't you think LSU is more deserving than West Viginia right now? LSU's two losses are to Florida and Auburn. Both on the road. WVU lost at Louisville, but lost to South Florida at home in Morgantown.

LSU has wins at Tennessee and at Arkansas. West Virginia's best wins are at home agaist Maryland and at Pitt.

LSU hasn't beaten anyone OOC. Typical LSU/SEC not playing anyone OOC. Not even attempting to play a quality team OOC.

3601 Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:Now it is water under the bridge because the polls are severely underrating Louisville and Rutgers while severely punishing West Virginia. Meanwhile the Rose Bowl and the national media are all salivating over LSU after their win from Friday.

Don't you think LSU is more deserving than West Viginia right now? LSU's two losses are to Florida and Auburn. Both on the road. WVU lost at Louisville, but lost to South Florida at home in Morgantown.

LSU has wins at Tennessee and at Arkansas. West Virginia's best wins are at home agaist Maryland and at Pitt.

3601 - I love ya man cause you love the Blue Tigers, but you are asking that question on the wrong board. Why rub salt in wounds? There hasn't been much salt poured on ours this year and boy it could have been. Personally I don't think the upper tier of the SEC has been that impressive this year but unless matched up one on one with other leagues, it is hard to tell.

3601 Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:Now it is water under the bridge because the polls are severely underrating Louisville and Rutgers while severely punishing West Virginia. Meanwhile the Rose Bowl and the national media are all salivating over LSU after their win from Friday.

Don't you think LSU is more deserving than West Viginia right now? LSU's two losses are to Florida and Auburn. Both on the road. WVU lost at Louisville, but lost to South Florida at home in Morgantown.

LSU has wins at Tennessee and at Arkansas. West Virginia's best wins are at home agaist Maryland and at Pitt.

Did I say that West Virginia should be ranked above LSU? Where did you read that? Are those words anywhere in my post? No. They are not. Are those words anywhere near my post? No. They are not. Stop trying to infer things. Read what I typed and take it at face value. There are never any hidden agendas in my posts.

Are the polls severely underrating Louisville and Rutgers? Yes. They are. Are the Rose Bowl and national media salivating over LSU? Yes. They are. Louisville would wax LSU like a burned out candle. So the Tigers lost to Florida and Auburn? The Cardinals would hand them another loss. Louisville should be ranked above LSU.

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3601 Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:Now it is water under the bridge because the polls are severely underrating Louisville and Rutgers while severely punishing West Virginia. Meanwhile the Rose Bowl and the national media are all salivating over LSU after their win from Friday.

Don't you think LSU is more deserving than West Viginia right now? LSU's two losses are to Florida and Auburn. Both on the road. WVU lost at Louisville, but lost to South Florida at home in Morgantown.

LSU has wins at Tennessee and at Arkansas. West Virginia's best wins are at home agaist Maryland and at Pitt.

LSU hasn't beaten anyone OOC. Typical LSU/SEC not playing anyone OOC. Not even attempting to play a quality team OOC.

Their overall strength of schedule is still much higher (25th most difficult vs. 48th) than West Virginia's. Some teams that play brutal conference schedules like LSU don't feel the need to load up on a ton of difficult non-conference games.

WVU had four cupcakes on their non-conference schedule. LSU had three including Fresno State. That Fresno State game was probably scheduled five years ago. You can't fault LSU for Fresno being so terrible this year.

Your overly broad comment about SEC teams never attempting to play quality OOC teams is VERY inaccurate. You should think before you post.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt06.htm

3601 Wrote:

CatsClaw Wrote:

3601 Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:Now it is water under the bridge because the polls are severely underrating Louisville and Rutgers while severely punishing West Virginia. Meanwhile the Rose Bowl and the national media are all salivating over LSU after their win from Friday.

Don't you think LSU is more deserving than West Viginia right now? LSU's two losses are to Florida and Auburn. Both on the road. WVU lost at Louisville, but lost to South Florida at home in Morgantown.

LSU has wins at Tennessee and at Arkansas. West Virginia's best wins are at home agaist Maryland and at Pitt.

LSU hasn't beaten anyone OOC. Typical LSU/SEC not playing anyone OOC. Not even attempting to play a quality team OOC.

Their overall strength of schedule is still much higher (25th most difficult vs. 48th) than West Virginia's. Some teams that play brutal conference schedules like LSU don't feel the need to load up on a ton of difficult non-conference games.

WVU had four cupcakes on their non-conference schedule. LSU had three including Fresno State. That Fresno State game was probably scheduled five years ago. You can't fault LSU for Fresno being so terrible this year.

Your overly broad comment about SEC teams never attempting to play quality OOC teams is VERY inaccurate. You should think before you post.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt06.htm

Of the 5 OOC games for WVU, just curious, which do you not consider a cupcake? BTW when the ACC raided the BE it made it difficult to shore up schedules. Perhaps the Bowl Season will show us who is right about all the speculation, but that all depends on match-ups as well.

Tigeer Wrote:Of the 5 OOC games for WVU, just curious, which do you not consider a cupcake?

Isn't that more than obvious?

Tigeer Wrote:Perhaps the Bowl Season will show us who is right about all the speculation, but that all depends on match-ups as well.

What speculation? I'm not saying that West Virginia isn't a geat team. I'm simply saying that if you look at the schedules and the records and compare them that it's clearly understandable why LSU would get a BCS invite over West Virginia after this past weekend.

3601 Wrote:

Tigeer Wrote:Of the 5 OOC games for WVU, just curious, which do you not consider a cupcake?

Isn't that more than obvious?

Not so obvious. ECU would probably give Maryland a run for the money.

I don't expect WVU to get a BCS bid, unless Louisville falls on their face next week. I don't expect that to happen either. The bid was WVU's to lose, and they did.

Tigeer Wrote:

3601 Wrote:

Tigeer Wrote:Of the 5 OOC games for WVU, just curious, which do you not consider a cupcake?

Isn't that more than obvious?

Not so obvious. ECU would probably give Maryland a run for the money.

Maybe.

I don't think anyone can make a good case for WVU to now gain an at-large bid over LSU. I don't think anyone was trying to do that however.

What I COULD make a good case for is for UofL to receive an at-large bid over LSU if Rutgers wins on Saturday. I do realize that UofL wouldn't receive that final at-large bid however, due to only off the field considerations.

CollegeCard Wrote:I don't think anyone can make a good case for WVU to now gain an at-large bid over LSU. I don't think anyone was trying to do that however.

What I COULD make a good case for is for UofL to receive an at-large bid over LSU if Rutgers wins on Saturday. I do realize that UofL wouldn't receive that final at-large bid however, due to only off the field considerations.

A 11-1 Louisville or a 11-1 West Virginia (had they not lost) would have an argument as would a 11-1 Wisconsin. However, there are a lot of considerations taken into account other than simply won/loss record.

If Rutgers wins the Big East then both Louisville and Wisconsin will be 11-1 and both will be able to make a strong argument as to why they should be invited to a BCS bowl. However, if such scenario occurs it's likely both will be left out in the cold.

Wisconsin can't play in a BCS bowl since no conference can have 3 teams play in BCS bowls, plus I think they have already accepted an invite to a non-bcs bowl.

Brick City Pirate Wrote:Wisconsin can't play in a BCS bowl since no conference can have 3 teams play in BCS bowls, plus I think they have already accepted an invite to a non-bcs bowl.

I didn't realize that was a rule. Regardless, it doesn't change the scenario. We all know that it's very possible for a 10-2 Notre Dame to be taken over a deserving team with a better record.

CollegeCard Wrote:I don't think anyone can make a good case for WVU to now gain an at-large bid over LSU. I don't think anyone was trying to do that however.

What I COULD make a good case for is for UofL to receive an at-large bid over LSU if Rutgers wins on Saturday. I do realize that UofL wouldn't receive that final at-large bid however, due to only off the field considerations.

Agreed and it is a sham.

Looks like the Cardinals are going to have to root for the Mountaineers. It is disappointing that LSU has so much distance over Louisville. Even Wisconsin gets more respect.

It really doesn't come down to Louisville and LSU anyway. IF (big if) Rutgers were to beat WVU I'd say it comes down to Louiville and Notre Dame as far as which team *deserves* to play in the BCS. We know how that usually works out.

At this point, WVU has zero chacne to go to a BCS bowl (and I didn't like their odds before the loss). The only way to have 2 BCS teams form the Big East is for Rutgers and Louisville to both win and the Ville to be taken as an at large. In one sense, this is good, as I think an 11-1 Rutgers would have no chance of getting an at large bid, but they'd be the one with the auto-bid and I think it's possible for an 11-1 Louisville to get chosen. That all said, I'm prett sure it will be Michigan/Notre Dame/Boise St/LSU (or possibly Florida if they lose in the SECC) for the at large spots.

Which would be bad for Pitt.

I don't think anyone has said WVU has a chance at the BCS. Any hope ended Saturday of course.