1. Ohio State (63) 12-0 1,575
2. USC 10-1 1,491
3. Michigan 11-1 1,445
4. Florida 11-1 1,405
5. LSU 10-2 1,255
6. Wisconsin 11-1 1,221
7. Louisville 10-1 1,169
8. Arkansas 10-2 1,042
9. Boise State 12-0 1,018
10. Oklahoma 10-2 994
11. Auburn 10-2 985
12. Notre Dame 10-2 928
13. Rutgers 10-1 777
14. Virginia Tech 10-2 744
15. West Virginia 9-2 668
16. Wake Forest 10-2 607
17. Texas 9-3 596
18. Nebraska 9-3 523
19. Tennessee 9-3 434
20. California 8-3 343
21. Brigham Young 10-2 339
22. Georgia Tech 9-3 259
23. Hawaii 10-2 203
24. Texas A&M 9-3 202
25. Boston College 9-3 138
OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES
TCU 41, Houston 19, Oregon State 16, Georgia 15, Penn State 8, Maryland 7, Clemson 6, South Carolina 2.
DROPPED FROM RANKINGS
Clemson 24.

I sure wish UofL or WVA was #2........

It's a double edged sword though..I'm also happy that BE has shown strength, and is not a two trick poney like the Big10 this year as well.

Would have been nice for a BE team to play for the NC but again, it's awesome that we are strong enough that we have scenarios like

Pitt beat UC who beat USF who beat WVA who beat Pitt etc. etc.

There are two things that piss me off about the coaches poll:
1) How are an undefeated Boise State, 1-loss RU, UL, and Wisconsin behind 2 loss LSU and in Rutgers and Boise's case 2 loss Arkansas? The general perception amongst college football fans at least in the Northeast who's ties are to ND, USC, the ACC, and the Big Ten is that the SEC now just sucks.
2) How is USF not getting votes at this point? The BE bias while certainly lessened with the rise of the UL-WVU-RU triumvirate is still very clear out there. Let's go 6-0 in the bowls and shut the nation up once and for all. The most important thing is we win the bowl games and show up with large numbers. I know RU, WVU, and UL will show up in large numbers. Can UC, USF, Pitt do the same for us?

The same thing happened last year. South Florida blew out Louisville and didn't get a SINGLE Top 25 vote! I mean, seriously, how can you justify not giving a Top 25 vote to an 8 win team that beats a Top 10 team on the road?

brista21 Wrote:2) How is USF not getting votes at this point? The BE bias while certainly lessened with the rise of the UL-WVU-RU triumvirate is still very clear out there.

You might ask the Big East coaches who actually have votes in the poll, since none of them (Rodriguez, Petrino, Edsall and Schiano) saw fit to give USF a single vote, either.

Rodriguez is probably the least forgivable. I'm not saying that he should have voted USF over WVU (AFTER USF BEAT THEM ON THEIR OWN FIELD!), but not even worthy of a vote at #25? I'll bet he didn't leave WVU off of his own ballot...

USFFan

CatsClaw Wrote:The same thing happened last year. South Florida blew out Louisville and didn't get a SINGLE Top 25 vote! I mean, seriously, how can you justify not giving a Top 25 vote to an 8 win team that beats a Top 10 team on the road?

Agreed. This USF squad is not the same team that lost to Kansas earlier in the year. I think all 4 BE coaches could have safely put the Bulls in at #25 without anyone questioning their integrity. Much more deserving of a Top 25 vote than either Maryland or Georgia.

Cheers,
Neil

omnicarrier Wrote:

CatsClaw Wrote:The same thing happened last year. South Florida blew out Louisville and didn't get a SINGLE Top 25 vote! I mean, seriously, how can you justify not giving a Top 25 vote to an 8 win team that beats a Top 10 team on the road?

Agreed. This USF squad is not the same team that lost to Kansas earlier in the year. I think all 4 BE coaches could have safely put the Bulls in at #25 without anyone questioning their integrity. Much more deserving of a Top 25 vote than either Maryland or Georgia.

Cheers,
Neil

I'm kind of disappointed in the Big East coaches. South Florida DEFINITELY should have gotten the Big East coaches' support. But they could have slipped in a vote for Cincinnati. We need a team or two in the "Others Receiving Votes" column to show the depth of the conference. Doesn't Rich Rodriguez have a vote?

CatsClaw Wrote:

omnicarrier Wrote:

CatsClaw Wrote:The same thing happened last year. South Florida blew out Louisville and didn't get a SINGLE Top 25 vote! I mean, seriously, how can you justify not giving a Top 25 vote to an 8 win team that beats a Top 10 team on the road?

Agreed. This USF squad is not the same team that lost to Kansas earlier in the year. I think all 4 BE coaches could have safely put the Bulls in at #25 without anyone questioning their integrity. Much more deserving of a Top 25 vote than either Maryland or Georgia.

Cheers,
Neil

I'm kind of disappointed in the Big East coaches. South Florida DEFINITELY should have gotten the Big East coaches' support. But they could have slipped in a vote for Cincinnati. We need a team or two in the "Others Receiving Votes" column to show the depth of the conference. Doesn't Rich Rodriguez have a vote?

It would have been difficult for the BE coaches to give a 7-5 Cincinnati team a Top 25 vote (even though they played what was perhaps the toughest schedule this year of any BCS team), but there are a few 8-4 teams in the 'others receiving votes' category - so USF was definitely a no-brainer - particularly with beating West Virginia on the road.

Cheers,
Neil

A little while ago I left messages for a couple of reporters that I know to ask the Big East coaches on Monday's conference call why no one voted for South Florida. Please do the same if any of you know any reporters who cover the weekly Big East conference call. Maybe a bunch of reporters asking them this question will make them realize how stupid they are being by not helping each other.

Oregon State, Georgia, Penn State, Maryland, and Clemson all have 4 losses but all received votes. South Carolina has 5 losses yet shamelessly received a couple of votes. Notice how Texas A&M, which had been off the radar for weeks, jumped back into the Top 25 again after their upset over Texas? The Big East could have really benefitted from them voting South Florida, say, #23 or #24.

CatsClaw Wrote:The same thing happened last year. South Florida blew out Louisville and didn't get a SINGLE Top 25 vote! I mean, seriously, how can you justify not giving a Top 25 vote to an 8 win team that beats a Top 10 team on the road?

They got some votes in the AP poll. The sportswriters know football!

I wonder if Tranghese talking to the coaches about making sure to keep everything "above board" has been taken too far. To be honest, I don't think USF really deserves to be top 25 at this point, but they do as much as other 4 loss teams who got votes. At least take care of our own. That's how the ACC, etc continue to have teams beat each other and trade out spots from the #18-#28 or so range. Its to the point I wouldn't be surprised if Swofford "encouraged" ACC voters to vote for 5 ACC teams a week. If you're 5th from last week lost, trade them out.

I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade but the logic could be USF's weak OOC schedule. Let's face it. Close calls to McNeese State and Florida International don't exactly scream out RESPECT. Even the games against Kansas and UCF weren't that impressive. If Cincinnati had played USF's weak OOC schedule Cincinnati would have easily won nine games rather than seven.

IF USF wins its bowl game and starts the 2007 season 4-0 the Bulls will be ranked. It will take that to prove that USF's win over WVU was not a fluke win over a WVU team that simply didn't come ready to play because either its players ate too much Turkey or they simply thought USF was not a good team.

Any team can go 8-4 by loading up on weak OOC opponents.

It is not about whether South Florida deserves to be in the Top 25. It is about making the Big East look better by having a fourth team receiving votes. The Big East has been fighting a public perception battle for the last three years. The four coaches with votes in the poll can play a positive role in that battle.

Those four coaches voting South Florida at #23 or #24 would not get the Bulls into the Top 25. But that would not be the point anyway. The point would be to put South Florida on the Others Receiving votes list to help make people notice that there is another decent team in the Big East. Other coaches do it.

Do you really think 4 loss teams like Oregon State, Georgia, Penn State, Maryland, and Clemson deserve votes for the Top 25? They sure got a bunch. Do you think a 5 loss team like South Carolina deserves votes for the Top 25? They got some. Texas A&M has a weak schedule and they are in the Top 25 again.

Cubanbull Wrote:1. Ohio State (63) 12-0 1,575
2. USC 10-1 1,491
3. Michigan 11-1 1,445
4. Florida 11-1 1,405
5. LSU 10-2 1,255
6. Wisconsin 11-1 1,221
7. Louisville 10-1 1,169
8. Arkansas 10-2 1,042
9. Boise State 12-0 1,018
10. Oklahoma 10-2 994
11. Auburn 10-2 985
12. Notre Dame 10-2 928
13. Rutgers 10-1 777
14. Virginia Tech 10-2 744
15. West Virginia 9-2 668
16. Wake Forest 10-2 607
17. Texas 9-3 596
18. Nebraska 9-3 523
19. Tennessee 9-3 434
20. California 8-3 343
21. Brigham Young 10-2 339
22. Georgia Tech 9-3 259
23. Hawaii 10-2 203
24. Texas A&M 9-3 202
25. Boston College 9-3 138
OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES
TCU 41, Houston 19, Oregon State 16, Georgia 15, Penn State 8, Maryland 7, Clemson 6, South Carolina 2.
DROPPED FROM RANKINGS
Clemson 24.

Biggest pile I've ever seen!

Krocker Krapp Wrote:It is not about whether South Florida deserves to be in the Top 25. It is about making the Big East look better by having a fourth team receiving votes. The Big East has been fighting a public perception battle for the last three years. The four coaches with votes in the poll can play a positive role in that battle.

Those four coaches voting South Florida at #23 or #24 would not get the Bulls into the Top 25. But that would not be the point anyway. The point would be to put South Florida on the Others Receiving votes list to help make people notice that there is another decent team in the Big East. Other coaches do it.

Do you really think 4 loss teams like Oregon State, Georgia, Penn State, Maryland, and Clemson deserve votes for the Top 25? They sure got a bunch. Do you think a 5 loss team like South Carolina deserves votes for the Top 25? They got some. Texas A&M has a weak schedule and they are in the Top 25 again.

I see your point. Thanks for the clarification. Your posts are always very logical. I enjoy reading them.

BearcatOne Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:It is not about whether South Florida deserves to be in the Top 25. It is about making the Big East look better by having a fourth team receiving votes. The Big East has been fighting a public perception battle for the last three years. The four coaches with votes in the poll can play a positive role in that battle.

Those four coaches voting South Florida at #23 or #24 would not get the Bulls into the Top 25. But that would not be the point anyway. The point would be to put South Florida on the Others Receiving votes list to help make people notice that there is another decent team in the Big East. Other coaches do it.

Do you really think 4 loss teams like Oregon State, Georgia, Penn State, Maryland, and Clemson deserve votes for the Top 25? They sure got a bunch. Do you think a 5 loss team like South Carolina deserves votes for the Top 25? They got some. Texas A&M has a weak schedule and they are in the Top 25 again.

I see your point. Thanks for the clarification. Your posts are always very logical. I enjoy reading them.

Thanks for the compliment. Hopefully someone with some pull makes this point clear to the Big East coaches who have votes.