Some interesting stuff. I agree with some, and disagree with some.

http://sportspolitico.com/2014/08/14/d4p1/

(08-21-2014 06:20 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Some interesting stuff. I agree with some, and disagree with some.

http://sportspolitico.com/2014/08/14/d4p1/

Won't happen. Next

Is the off-season over yet?

Appriciate the post but this is very,very unlikely to happen.

(08-21-2014 06:40 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Is the off-season over yet?

Appriciate the post but this is very,very unlikely to happen.

Kind of my thought. No way that many teams get left behind in fact you left behind to many teams that win and have fans. In fact I'm 100% Every team in FBS will be offered into D4 but you will play by their rules! If you can't play by their rules there will be removal clauses. Keep up or get out.

LOL

You lose all credibility when you include Idaho, Umass, New Mexico State and Tulane in The group of 4 and leave out Northern Illinois, Arkansas State and Louisiana

Drop Idaho. When is the last time they had a .500 season
Drop NMSU. Just no. No fan base can't win
Drop uMASS. No conference and nobody wants them
Tulane is borderline but why not ULL. They to me have more excitement around the program. Tulane is building a nice 30k seat stadium but ULL is expanding to 45k.

Add Northern Illinois. All they do is win, give them time
Add Arkansas state. Won 28 games in 3 years including 3 conference championships and 2 bowl games. Good fan base. Like ULL lots of construction they have donors that will keep them in top divisions[/color]

I'm sure this guy appreciates the traffic.

Trying to wrap my mind around how CP found that site…

What it would look like would depend on the needs of efficiency.

In the current marketplace it would most likely be current FBS and 2 to 5 non-FBS leagues.

If we were dealing with a contract producing at least $1.8 billion (less than 4X the CFP deal) then there is less need to manufacture .500 or better records with a bigger system.

What he came up with would take planning. Realignment is about differing interest chasing $$$ and power. It is a hodgepodge. and will remain one.

(08-22-2014 08:30 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  What he came up with would take planning. Realignment is about differing interest chasing $$$ and power. It is a hodgepodge. and will remain one.

Excellent point. There is no "master planner" in reallignment. Every school is looking out for #1.

There is no "master planner" but there are planners. To think otherwise just seems like wishful thinking or denial.

Good post. The last three are the key points.

6. There are six states (Connecticut, Idaho, Hawaii, Nevada, New Mexico, & Wyoming) whose only FBS school(s) are in the G5. There are also a number of states that also have a significant amount of their FBS schools in the G5. A P5/G5 split would set off a political firestorm in some of these states. Politicians will put pressure on P5 schools/conferences to include a number of G5 schools as well. The whole purpose of this project was to not only make a hypothetical Division IV, but to make it as realistic as possible without any “what ifs.” The question of whether or not politics would get in the way of this is a big “what if” which is why I tried to minimize this issue by circumventing this problem.

7. The bottom half of the P5 rely on games against weaker opponents to maintain a somewhat respectable record each season. Without these games, certain P5 programs who already struggle to post a respectable record each season will be looking at eight or more losses a season on a regular basis. Consecutive seasons with records like that make it difficult to attract talented coaching, top recruits, or boosters willing to donate to the program. This puts programs such as Indiana or Kentucky into a vicious cycle where the lack of quality talent leads to subpar athletic performance and vice versa.

8. Lastly and most importantly, is the basic concept of football that athletic success cycles. Some teams rise, while others fall. It is always evolving and to cut off teams like UCF right now when they are coming off phenomenal growth would be a travesty to the sport. There are a number of G5 schools that can grow into decent football schools over the next decade or two. Capping their growth right now and regulating them to the 2nd tier of college football would damage the sport and be a huge injustice.

Number 6 is the main point. Utah received the invite to PAC 12 due to the who their Senators were and don't forget that Nevada's Senator is Harry Reid and a Mormon.

This why we are America. Everbody has a theoretical chance to make it to the top.

(08-22-2014 09:12 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  Good post. The last three are the key points.

6. There are six states (Connecticut, Idaho, Hawaii, Nevada, New Mexico, & Wyoming) whose only FBS school(s) are in the G5. There are also a number of states that also have a significant amount of their FBS schools in the G5. A P5/G5 split would set off a political firestorm in some of these states. Politicians will put pressure on P5 schools/conferences to include a number of G5 schools as well. The whole purpose of this project was to not only make a hypothetical Division IV, but to make it as realistic as possible without any “what ifs.” The question of whether or not politics would get in the way of this is a big “what if” which is why I tried to minimize this issue by circumventing this problem.

7. The bottom half of the P5 rely on games against weaker opponents to maintain a somewhat respectable record each season. Without these games, certain P5 programs who already struggle to post a respectable record each season will be looking at eight or more losses a season on a regular basis. Consecutive seasons with records like that make it difficult to attract talented coaching, top recruits, or boosters willing to donate to the program. This puts programs such as Indiana or Kentucky into a vicious cycle where the lack of quality talent leads to subpar athletic performance and vice versa.

8. Lastly and most importantly, is the basic concept of football that athletic success cycles. Some teams rise, while others fall. It is always evolving and to cut off teams like UCF right now when they are coming off phenomenal growth would be a travesty to the sport. There are a number of G5 schools that can grow into decent football schools over the next decade or two. Capping their growth right now and regulating them to the 2nd tier of college football would damage the sport and be a huge injustice.

Number 6 is the main point. Utah received the invite to PAC 12 due to the who their Senators were and don't forget that Nevada's Senator is Harry Reid and a Mormon.

This why are America. Everbody has a theoretical chance to make it to the top.

Well stated.

(08-22-2014 09:12 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  This why we are America. Everbody has a theoretical chance to make it to the top.

No offense, but:

(08-22-2014 11:01 AM)EerMeNow Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 09:12 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  This why we are America. Everbody has a theoretical chance to make it to the top.

No offense, but:

okay....what was wrong with the statement?

(08-22-2014 09:12 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  Utah received the invite to PAC 12 due to the who their Senators were and don't forget that Nevada's Senator is Harry Reid and a Mormon.

This is the first I've heard of conference realignment being a Mormon conspiracy. If only Mitt had won the election, we might have been in the PAC, SEC and B1G all at once.

PS: If Mormon senators were guiding realignment, Utah would be the last school to get into the PAC.

(08-22-2014 06:33 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 09:12 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  Utah received the invite to PAC 12 due to the who their Senators were and don't forget that Nevada's Senator is Harry Reid and a Mormon.

This is the first I've heard of conference realignment being a Mormon conspiracy. If only Mitt had won the election, we might have been in the PAC, SEC and B1G all at once.

PS: If Mormon senators were guiding realignment, Utah would be the last school to get into the PAC.

Yeah, there's no way the Utah move was done because of the Mormon influence...um HELLO does BYU ring a bell????