Dungy was right. The whole thing is proof that you didn't want this guy on your team, regardless of his play.

Apparently, Rams decided they wanted to stick with 9 D linemen and that left Sam out. You can talk stats but he isn't as flexible of a player as some of the others and wasn't the right fit.

(08-30-2014 03:55 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-30-2014 03:48 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(08-30-2014 03:45 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Again, the fix was in. The NFL is a league where people like this are revered by the league insiders http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foot...ill-happen

Can someone please show me what made Sam not qualified?

oh, and simply being gay doesn't make him "qualified", either. the nfl is probably the world's fiercest meritocracy. you sink or swim based on your skills.

He led the whole friggin' team in tackles. And sacks. Sam excelled on the field.

You sink if you support Gay rights or are openly Gay. That's obvious. People like Tony Dungy, openly advocate for discriminating against qualified Gay players. The Vikings had to settle a lawsuit over anti-gay behavior in the league. The Ravens fired a player for being Gay supportive.

Sam's situation had nothing to do with qualifications. It had everything to do with institutionalized discrimination embedded in the league. People are openly advocating discrminating against Gay players simply because they are Gay. That's a fact. And they aren't tossed out on the street but allowed to participate in the league as TV analysts. And have their names inscribed in places of honor on NFL stadiums.

okay. you're losing it. and over a mediocre (at best) defensive end. the world's got bigger problems.

I just don't get it.

(08-30-2014 03:56 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  He'll get picked up by a team within a week or so...he played well in the preseason.

I hope you're right. But I doubt it. Lets face facts. The NFL thinks advocating killing all gay persons = 3 game penalty. The NFL thinks a head coach that says "I'm not going to disagree with that comment" = no penalty whatsoever. Do you think the Vikings are going to bid on Sam? Doubtful.

The Colts have part of their stadium named after a man who openly advocates banning Gay persons from playing in the NFL regardless of their qualifications on the field.

He wasn't drafted until 7 spots before the end because he is openly Gay. He then outpeformed everyone else on the field. But was cut anyway.

We're going to torch the next NFL owner that wants to have the taxpayers subsidize their team. Absolutely torch them.

(08-30-2014 03:57 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/112335...hree-games

A man advocated killing all Gay people. He is still employed by the Vikings. And the friggin' head coach said he wasn't going to disagree with that comment. Please.

More lies from the "tolerant" one.

(08-30-2014 04:02 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Dungy was right. The whole thing is proof that you didn't want this guy on your team, regardless of his play.

Apparently, Rams decided they wanted to stick with 9 D linemen and that left Sam out. You can talk stats but he isn't as flexible of a player as some of the others and wasn't the right fit.

I get that you think there's nothing wrong with someone saying 'no Gay players in the league, regardless of their qualifications', but that isn't going to quell the anger that the NFL is going to face over this.

Yea sure.

"Flexible = Straight" I suppose.

Every quantitative measure says that Sam should make the team. Every. Single. One.

(08-30-2014 04:03 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-30-2014 03:56 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  He'll get picked up by a team within a week or so...he played well in the preseason.

I hope you're right. But I doubt it. Lets face facts. The NFL thinks advocating killing all gay persons = 3 game penalty. The NFL thinks a head coach that says "I'm not going to disagree with that comment" = no penalty whatsoever. Do you think the Vikings are going to bid on Sam? Doubtful.

The Colts have part of their stadium named after a man who openly advocates banning Gay persons from playing in the NFL regardless of their qualifications on the field.

He wasn't drafted until 7 spots before the end because he is openly Gay. He then outpeformed everyone else on the field. But was cut anyway.

We're going to torch the next NFL owner that wants to have the taxpayers subsidize their team. Absolutely torch them.

all 5 of you?

(08-30-2014 03:56 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  He'll get picked up by a team within a week or so...he played well in the preseason.

Against pre-season competitors, many of whom will suffer the same fate. But don't let facts get in the way.


Posted from the shallow recesses of my feeble mind.

Here are the facts.

1) There has never been an openly Gay player in the NFL. Out of a cast of 50,000. Zero.
2) The NFL asks players if they are Gay.
3) The NFL thinks that openly advocating putting all of the Gays on an island and nuking them is worth a 2-3 game suspension. And for lying about saying it, before he was subsequently busted about it by another witness....no penalty.
4) The NFL thinks a head coach that openly agreed with that statement should receive no penalty.
5) The NFL still allows persons who openly advocate a de facto ban on Gay players to participate in the league.
6) Every single prominent advocate of Gay rights has been immediately tossed from the league.
7) A player who excelled in every stat in the preseason, gets cut.

(08-30-2014 04:17 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(08-30-2014 03:56 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  He'll get picked up by a team within a week or so...he played well in the preseason.

Against pre-season competitors, many of whom will suffer the same fate. But don't let facts get in the way.


Posted from the shallow recesses of my feeble mind.

Kids NFL good...he'll get picked up.


Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

(08-30-2014 04:17 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(08-30-2014 03:56 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  He'll get picked up by a team within a week or so...he played well in the preseason.

Against pre-season competitors, many of whom will suffer the same fate. But don't let facts get in the way.


Posted from the shallow recesses of my feeble mind.

Please. Sam excelled at every level of competition. Every single one. If this was about performance on the field, Sam would be on a NFL squad. But he isn't, simply because too many people are listening to Tony Dungy.

I thought this was about performance. I guess it's about performance, unless the player is a queer.

(08-30-2014 04:21 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-30-2014 04:17 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(08-30-2014 03:56 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  He'll get picked up by a team within a week or so...he played well in the preseason.

Against pre-season competitors, many of whom will suffer the same fate. But don't let facts get in the way.


Posted from the shallow recesses of my feeble mind.

Kids NFL good...he'll get picked up.


Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

I hope you're right. I think there's way too much Tony Dungy in the league. Way too much Viking BS. Way too much Ravens BS.

(08-30-2014 03:28 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-30-2014 03:14 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Yup...

So will there be a fallout over this?

Of course. It will be brought up the next time the NFL wants the urban, gay friendly voters to approve a new stadium deal. Where are the Gay employees of these organizations? Ill bet there aren't any in amongst the THOUSANDS employed in scouting/coaching/player development.

The fix was in as soon as he came out. He was immediately downgraded by the scouts. The NFL had to make a team that didn't need a player in his position draft him because it would look awful if they didn't draft him.

He then proved himself on the field, but then was cut anyway.

He isn't playing in the NFL because he is openly Gay. No other reason. The Vikings cut Kluwe because he supported Gay rights. And the NFL is filled with horrendous bigots.

Lets face facts, the Fellowship of Christian Athletes crowd is very anti-Gay and want to preserve sports as a place where Gays aren't welcome and Gays are demeaned. They've won this round in the NFL.

If we don't make the NFL pay a huge price, it will be 20 years before a player comes out.

Stop reacting with your emotions. I know it's what liberals do but for once please try to be objective. He was a 7th round pick and is suffering the fate of many 7th round picks. He was competing against pre-season competition so claiming that he lead the team in tackles is just a bit hyperbolic. Most starters would have shaken him off easily.


Posted from the shallow recesses of my feeble mind.

(08-30-2014 04:20 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Here are the facts.

1) There has never been an openly Gay player in the NFL. Out of a cast of 50,000. Zero.
2) The NFL asks players if they are Gay.
3) The NFL thinks that openly advocating putting all of the Gays on an island and nuking them is worth a 2-3 game suspension. And for lying about saying it, before he was subsequently busted about it by another witness....no penalty.
4) The NFL thinks a head coach that openly agreed with that statement should receive no penalty.
5) The NFL still allows persons who openly advocate a de facto ban on Gay players to participate in the league.
6) Every single prominent advocate of Gay rights has been immediately tossed from the league.
7) A player who excelled in every stat in the preseason, gets cut.

So far you've listed only gayness and gay associated issues as justification for him making the squad although you did slide number 7 in.


Posted from the shallow recesses of my feeble mind.

(08-30-2014 04:23 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(08-30-2014 03:28 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-30-2014 03:14 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Yup...

So will there be a fallout over this?

Of course. It will be brought up the next time the NFL wants the urban, gay friendly voters to approve a new stadium deal. Where are the Gay employees of these organizations? Ill bet there aren't any in amongst the THOUSANDS employed in scouting/coaching/player development.

The fix was in as soon as he came out. He was immediately downgraded by the scouts. The NFL had to make a team that didn't need a player in his position draft him because it would look awful if they didn't draft him.

He then proved himself on the field, but then was cut anyway.

He isn't playing in the NFL because he is openly Gay. No other reason. The Vikings cut Kluwe because he supported Gay rights. And the NFL is filled with horrendous bigots.

Lets face facts, the Fellowship of Christian Athletes crowd is very anti-Gay and want to preserve sports as a place where Gays aren't welcome and Gays are demeaned. They've won this round in the NFL.

If we don't make the NFL pay a huge price, it will be 20 years before a player comes out.

Stop reacting with your emotions. I know it's what liberals do but for once please try to be objective. He was a 7th round pick and is suffering the fate of many 7th round picks. He was competing against pre-season competition so claiming that he lead the team in tackles is just a bit hyperbolic. Most starters would have shaken him off easily.


Posted from the shallow recesses of my feeble mind.

He was only a 7th round pick because he was downgraded by a NFL player development corps that downgraded him as soon as he came out

Objective? I'm looking at objective measures. Like Sam's stats. Like recent admitted behavior by other teams in the league. Like recent comments by league insiders openly advocating that Gay players not be allowed into the league.

Your side is the one that is saying "throw out the objective measures". Not my side.

(08-30-2014 04:27 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(08-30-2014 04:20 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Here are the facts.

1) There has never been an openly Gay player in the NFL. Out of a cast of 50,000. Zero.
2) The NFL asks players if they are Gay.
3) The NFL thinks that openly advocating putting all of the Gays on an island and nuking them is worth a 2-3 game suspension. And for lying about saying it, before he was subsequently busted about it by another witness....no penalty.
4) The NFL thinks a head coach that openly agreed with that statement should receive no penalty.
5) The NFL still allows persons who openly advocate a de facto ban on Gay players to participate in the league.
6) Every single prominent advocate of Gay rights has been immediately tossed from the league.
7) A player who excelled in every stat in the preseason, gets cut.

So far you've listed only gayness and gay associated issues as justification for him making the squad although you did slide number 7 in.


Posted from the shallow recesses of my feeble mind.

SEC player of the year.
Led the NFL team in tackles.
Led the NFL team in sacks.

Every stat says he should be in.

(08-30-2014 04:27 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-30-2014 04:23 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(08-30-2014 03:28 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-30-2014 03:14 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Yup...

So will there be a fallout over this?

Of course. It will be brought up the next time the NFL wants the urban, gay friendly voters to approve a new stadium deal. Where are the Gay employees of these organizations? Ill bet there aren't any in amongst the THOUSANDS employed in scouting/coaching/player development.

The fix was in as soon as he came out. He was immediately downgraded by the scouts. The NFL had to make a team that didn't need a player in his position draft him because it would look awful if they didn't draft him.

He then proved himself on the field, but then was cut anyway.

He isn't playing in the NFL because he is openly Gay. No other reason. The Vikings cut Kluwe because he supported Gay rights. And the NFL is filled with horrendous bigots.

Lets face facts, the Fellowship of Christian Athletes crowd is very anti-Gay and want to preserve sports as a place where Gays aren't welcome and Gays are demeaned. They've won this round in the NFL.

If we don't make the NFL pay a huge price, it will be 20 years before a player comes out.

Stop reacting with your emotions. I know it's what liberals do but for once please try to be objective. He was a 7th round pick and is suffering the fate of many 7th round picks. He was competing against pre-season competition so claiming that he lead the team in tackles is just a bit hyperbolic. Most starters would have shaken him off easily.


Posted from the shallow recesses of my feeble mind.

He was only a 7th round pick because he was downgraded by a NFL player development corps that downgraded him as soon as he came out

Objective? I'm looking at objective measures. Like Sam's stats. Like recent admitted behavior by other teams in the league. Like recent comments by league insiders openly advocating that Gay players not be allowed into the league.

Your side is the one that is saying "throw out the objective measures". Not my side.

No you're using emotion to excuse the rank hatred you have for anyone who isn't gay, or agree with the gay "community". S.O.S. (Same Old Sh*t) from the "tolerant" one.

(08-30-2014 04:29 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-30-2014 04:27 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(08-30-2014 04:20 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Here are the facts.

1) There has never been an openly Gay player in the NFL. Out of a cast of 50,000. Zero.
2) The NFL asks players if they are Gay.
3) The NFL thinks that openly advocating putting all of the Gays on an island and nuking them is worth a 2-3 game suspension. And for lying about saying it, before he was subsequently busted about it by another witness....no penalty.
4) The NFL thinks a head coach that openly agreed with that statement should receive no penalty.
5) The NFL still allows persons who openly advocate a de facto ban on Gay players to participate in the league.
6) Every single prominent advocate of Gay rights has been immediately tossed from the league.
7) A player who excelled in every stat in the preseason, gets cut.

So far you've listed only gayness and gay associated issues as justification for him making the squad although you did slide number 7 in.


Posted from the shallow recesses of my feeble mind.

SEC player of the year.
Led the NFL team in tackles.
Led the NFL team in sacks.

Every stat says he should be in.

this is the absurd. either there is a galactic conspiracy against this one guy because he prefers dudes to chicks, or he just wasn't quite good enough to make the cut.

you do realize that your reaction to this thing is only adding fuel to the fire of the worst gay stereotypes, don't you?

The gaystapo will file a discrimination lawsuit.

(08-30-2014 03:28 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-30-2014 03:14 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Yup...

So will there be a fallout over this?

Of course. It will be brought up the next time the NFL wants the urban, gay friendly voters to approve a new stadium deal. Where are the Gay employees of these organizations? Ill bet there aren't any in amongst the THOUSANDS employed in scouting/coaching/player development.

The fix was in as soon as he came out. He was immediately downgraded by the scouts. The NFL had to make a team that didn't need a player in his position draft him because it would look awful if they didn't draft him.

He then proved himself on the field, but then was cut anyway.

He isn't playing in the NFL because he is openly Gay. No other reason. The Vikings cut Kluwe because he supported Gay rights. And the NFL is filled with horrendous bigots.

Lets face facts, the Fellowship of Christian Athletes crowd is very anti-Gay and want to preserve sports as a place where Gays aren't welcome and Gays are demeaned. They've won this round in the NFL.

If we don't make the NFL pay a huge price, it will be 20 years before a player comes out.

Good grief.

What a clown

(08-30-2014 04:34 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(08-30-2014 04:29 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-30-2014 04:27 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(08-30-2014 04:20 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Here are the facts.

1) There has never been an openly Gay player in the NFL. Out of a cast of 50,000. Zero.
2) The NFL asks players if they are Gay.
3) The NFL thinks that openly advocating putting all of the Gays on an island and nuking them is worth a 2-3 game suspension. And for lying about saying it, before he was subsequently busted about it by another witness....no penalty.
4) The NFL thinks a head coach that openly agreed with that statement should receive no penalty.
5) The NFL still allows persons who openly advocate a de facto ban on Gay players to participate in the league.
6) Every single prominent advocate of Gay rights has been immediately tossed from the league.
7) A player who excelled in every stat in the preseason, gets cut.

So far you've listed only gayness and gay associated issues as justification for him making the squad although you did slide number 7 in.


Posted from the shallow recesses of my feeble mind.

SEC player of the year.
Led the NFL team in tackles.
Led the NFL team in sacks.

Every stat says he should be in.

this is the absurd. either there is a galactic conspiracy against this one guy because he prefers dudes to chicks, or he just wasn't quite good enough to make the cut.

you do realize that your reaction to this thing is only adding fuel to the fire of the worst gay stereotypes, don't you?

Hey, if the NFL didn't revere people who OPENLY ADVOCATE cutting Sam and anyone like him simply because they are Gay, then it might be hyperbole. If the NFL didn't laugh off incredibly offensive comments by the Vikings, then it might be hyperbole. If the NFL's player development folks didn't downgrade Sam the second he came out, it might be hyperbole. If Kluwe and Ayandebajo didn't have their problems, it might be hyperbole. If the NFL had been able to produce 1 out of the 50,000 players in league history that were openly Gay, then it might be hyperbole. If the NFL wasn't a toxic dump of homophobic trash that is celebrated by the league, then it might be hyperbole. If Sam had not performed at the highest of the highest level in the preseason, then it might be hyperbole.

There comes a point where it just doesn't add up. Everyone isn't out to get people because they are Gay. But the NFL....doesn't have much to stand on.

I'm curious. Are there any openly Gay people in football operations in the entire league? How many employees? 5,000 or so, right. Any openly Gay male employees? Any in the history?

Look, the Dungys of the world are very clear that they ADVOCATE exactly what I claim happened. I didn't pick it out of my butt. Just took Tony Dungy at his word.