(09-07-2014 11:55 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 11:36 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The table is set for a battle between an 11-1 Michigan State and an 11-1 Wisconsin in the Big Ten Championship. By then they both should be favorably ranked. The winner will have just as good of a chance to get into the playoff as any other one loss champ.

This more than anything is the key for the B1G going forward. Because if Oregon and LSU are in each in their respective CCG, the losses won't be viewed nearly are harshly. But its imperative that both Wisky and MSU win out. Because there aren't any 'good' losses to be had in conference.

The thing though becomes if those teams do win out- you get into head to head. If Oregon and LSU each lose a game- but then win their championship- they will be ahead of the team they beat in the regular season. Head to head matters.

http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa-14/sec/2...hedule.php

LSU's schedule.

At Auburn, at Florida and at Texas A&M. They have Alabama and Ole Miss at home.

(09-07-2014 11:58 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 11:44 AM)stever20 Wrote:  the problem for Michigan St in that scenario- they very possibly have 0 wins against top 25 teams going into that Wisconsin game. By definition Nebraska would have 2 losses at least and very possibly not ranked. Wisconsin could have 0 ranked wins as well. I'm sorry but the winner of that game with 1 ranked win just doesn't compare to what the other conferences are going to have.

You so love to skew things. The Big Ten always gets favorable rankings. Two 11-1 teams from the Big Ten will be ranked in the top ten and history tells us that.

Your conference, the Big 12 is more likely to harm it's chances at this point. Michigan State and Wisky are set up just fine for a big time Championship game that the Committee will be watching very closely. The Big 12 doesn't have that. The Big 12 has plenty of match ups during the season that could create a two loss champion for the Big 12 and I illustrated that in regards to Oklahoma in my last post.

Right Mich St and Wisconsin would be ranked- but none of the other wins on their schedules would be.

Big 12 isn't my conference. But even if they falter- you have the Notre Dame problem as well. If they're 11-1 with a loss to FSU only- they will be in over Big 10 champ.

Also end of the year- Oklahoma plays Oklahoma St and Baylor plays Kansas St. Very possible one of those games is huge on the last night of the season...

(09-07-2014 09:34 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Big Ten fans here in Indiana are happy with the losses yesterday. Call in shows going crazy this morning with Hoosier and Boiler fans celebrating the arrival of basketball season for The Big Ten.
CJ

Boilers are a mess. Vegas odds have them at 7 combined conference wins for football and bball. Matt Painter rode 1 good recruiting class to a big contract.

(09-06-2014 10:53 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  For this year at least. What a wipeout of a day. No chance for a B1G playoff team, eh?

Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

They could have lost 3 or 4 more games, but rallied.

(09-07-2014 12:03 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 11:58 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 11:44 AM)stever20 Wrote:  the problem for Michigan St in that scenario- they very possibly have 0 wins against top 25 teams going into that Wisconsin game. By definition Nebraska would have 2 losses at least and very possibly not ranked. Wisconsin could have 0 ranked wins as well. I'm sorry but the winner of that game with 1 ranked win just doesn't compare to what the other conferences are going to have.

You so love to skew things. The Big Ten always gets favorable rankings. Two 11-1 teams from the Big Ten will be ranked in the top ten and history tells us that.

Your conference, the Big 12 is more likely to harm it's chances at this point. Michigan State and Wisky are set up just fine for a big time Championship game that the Committee will be watching very closely. The Big 12 doesn't have that. The Big 12 has plenty of match ups during the season that could create a two loss champion for the Big 12 and I illustrated that in regards to Oklahoma in my last post.

Right Mich St and Wisconsin would be ranked- but none of the other wins on their schedules would be.

Big 12 isn't my conference. But even if they falter- you have the Notre Dame problem as well. If they're 11-1 with a loss to FSU only- they will be in over Big 10 champ.

Also end of the year- Oklahoma plays Oklahoma St and Baylor plays Kansas St. Very possible one of those games is huge on the last night of the season...

My bad, thought you were a Big 12 guy. Yes, it could work out unfavorably for The Big Ten in the polls but history shows us that an 11-1 Big Ten team is going to be highly ranked and I think we are going to have a season with a lot of cross losses in conferences such as the SEC and Big 12. I think it is more likely we see two loss teams come out of there on top.

Notre Dame is definitely an issue now BUT they have a crazy schedule this year.

(09-06-2014 11:21 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Number of all time BCS appearances by current B1G members.

Ohio State (10)
Michigan (5)
Wisconsin (5)
Nebraska (2)
Penn State (2)
Iowa (2)
Illinois (2)
Michigan St (1)
Maryland (1)
Purdue (1)

Compare this list to the SEC.......

Florida (7)
Alabama (6)
LSU (5)
Auburn (3)
Georgia (3)
Tennessee (2)
Arkansas (1)
Texas A&M (1)

B1G is a very top heavy conference built on Ohio State as the dominant team located in the best recruiting state. You get the feeling at a lot of the places in the B1G there is no hope of winning a national title. In the SEC everyone is playing for a national title.

BCS appearances for the SEC and B1G are inflated by the fan bases (moreso B1G). Those are the most attractive conferences to the bowls.

But your numbers don't really support your assertions. Both conferences have 3 schools with 5 or more. SEC has 2 with 3, but both have 6 with 2 or more. Big 10 had 10/14 with appearances while SEC has 8/14. You numbers simply show that Ohio St. has been consistently good. The same can't be said about Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Florida and Tennessee. All have had some down periods in the BCS era. Georgia has been pretty consistent, but hasn't won many conference championships.

(09-07-2014 12:09 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 12:03 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 11:58 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 11:44 AM)stever20 Wrote:  the problem for Michigan St in that scenario- they very possibly have 0 wins against top 25 teams going into that Wisconsin game. By definition Nebraska would have 2 losses at least and very possibly not ranked. Wisconsin could have 0 ranked wins as well. I'm sorry but the winner of that game with 1 ranked win just doesn't compare to what the other conferences are going to have.

You so love to skew things. The Big Ten always gets favorable rankings. Two 11-1 teams from the Big Ten will be ranked in the top ten and history tells us that.

Your conference, the Big 12 is more likely to harm it's chances at this point. Michigan State and Wisky are set up just fine for a big time Championship game that the Committee will be watching very closely. The Big 12 doesn't have that. The Big 12 has plenty of match ups during the season that could create a two loss champion for the Big 12 and I illustrated that in regards to Oklahoma in my last post.

Right Mich St and Wisconsin would be ranked- but none of the other wins on their schedules would be.

Big 12 isn't my conference. But even if they falter- you have the Notre Dame problem as well. If they're 11-1 with a loss to FSU only- they will be in over Big 10 champ.

Also end of the year- Oklahoma plays Oklahoma St and Baylor plays Kansas St. Very possible one of those games is huge on the last night of the season...

My bad, thought you were a Big 12 guy. Yes, it could work out unfavorably for The Big Ten in the polls but history shows us that an 11-1 Big Ten team is going to be highly ranked and I think we are going to have a season with a lot of cross losses in conferences such as the SEC and Big 12. I think it is more likely we see two loss teams come out of there on top.

Notre Dame is definitely an issue now BUT they have a crazy schedule this year.

Even if the SEC has a 2 loss champion it's very possible that the committee, tasked with picking the best teams, would select them over a Big Ten team.

(09-06-2014 11:32 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  The scary part for the BIG 10 was this day could have been much worse. The defeats to the MAC schools are not conference image killers. Northwestern and Purdue are not the big boys, but if Iowa and Nebraska fell (which they almost did if Ball State didn't throw the game away with a horrible 4th QT strategy and if McNeese State didn't have a TD taken away by the refs), the conference would be in dire straits for this campaign. Iowa and Nebraska are the big names. The BIG 10 dodged the nuke, but still sustained a fire bombing.

This is the best assessment of the Big 10's week. It could have been a lot worse.

(09-07-2014 12:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 12:09 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 12:03 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 11:58 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 11:44 AM)stever20 Wrote:  the problem for Michigan St in that scenario- they very possibly have 0 wins against top 25 teams going into that Wisconsin game. By definition Nebraska would have 2 losses at least and very possibly not ranked. Wisconsin could have 0 ranked wins as well. I'm sorry but the winner of that game with 1 ranked win just doesn't compare to what the other conferences are going to have.

You so love to skew things. The Big Ten always gets favorable rankings. Two 11-1 teams from the Big Ten will be ranked in the top ten and history tells us that.

Your conference, the Big 12 is more likely to harm it's chances at this point. Michigan State and Wisky are set up just fine for a big time Championship game that the Committee will be watching very closely. The Big 12 doesn't have that. The Big 12 has plenty of match ups during the season that could create a two loss champion for the Big 12 and I illustrated that in regards to Oklahoma in my last post.

Right Mich St and Wisconsin would be ranked- but none of the other wins on their schedules would be.

Big 12 isn't my conference. But even if they falter- you have the Notre Dame problem as well. If they're 11-1 with a loss to FSU only- they will be in over Big 10 champ.

Also end of the year- Oklahoma plays Oklahoma St and Baylor plays Kansas St. Very possible one of those games is huge on the last night of the season...

My bad, thought you were a Big 12 guy. Yes, it could work out unfavorably for The Big Ten in the polls but history shows us that an 11-1 Big Ten team is going to be highly ranked and I think we are going to have a season with a lot of cross losses in conferences such as the SEC and Big 12. I think it is more likely we see two loss teams come out of there on top.

Notre Dame is definitely an issue now BUT they have a crazy schedule this year.

Even if the SEC has a 2 loss champion it's very possible that the committee, tasked with picking the best teams, would select them over a Big Ten team.

It's possible yes, not very possible.

Michigan State and Wisconsin will have the Championship game, in this scenario, to show themselves off. Championship games are going to be given the biggest weight because they are the final games and show us how the teams are playing at the moment and not in the past.

I know folks seem to have a mental block when it comes to the SEC but it will come down to WHEN those losses happen and to whom.

(09-07-2014 12:16 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 12:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 12:09 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 12:03 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 11:58 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  You so love to skew things. The Big Ten always gets favorable rankings. Two 11-1 teams from the Big Ten will be ranked in the top ten and history tells us that.

Your conference, the Big 12 is more likely to harm it's chances at this point. Michigan State and Wisky are set up just fine for a big time Championship game that the Committee will be watching very closely. The Big 12 doesn't have that. The Big 12 has plenty of match ups during the season that could create a two loss champion for the Big 12 and I illustrated that in regards to Oklahoma in my last post.

Right Mich St and Wisconsin would be ranked- but none of the other wins on their schedules would be.

Big 12 isn't my conference. But even if they falter- you have the Notre Dame problem as well. If they're 11-1 with a loss to FSU only- they will be in over Big 10 champ.

Also end of the year- Oklahoma plays Oklahoma St and Baylor plays Kansas St. Very possible one of those games is huge on the last night of the season...

My bad, thought you were a Big 12 guy. Yes, it could work out unfavorably for The Big Ten in the polls but history shows us that an 11-1 Big Ten team is going to be highly ranked and I think we are going to have a season with a lot of cross losses in conferences such as the SEC and Big 12. I think it is more likely we see two loss teams come out of there on top.

Notre Dame is definitely an issue now BUT they have a crazy schedule this year.

Even if the SEC has a 2 loss champion it's very possible that the committee, tasked with picking the best teams, would select them over a Big Ten team.

It's possible yes, not very possible.

Michigan State and Wisconsin will have the Championship game, in this scenario, to show themselves off. Championship games are going to be given the biggest weight because they are the final games and show us how the teams are playing at the moment and not in the past.

I know folks seem to have a mental block when it comes to the SEC but it will come down to WHEN those losses happen and to whom.

So would the SEC having a championship game. Say LSU takes 2 losses in the season but wins the SEC title game over say a 11-1 Georgia team. Wisconsin beats Michigan St. I just don't see the committee taking Wisconsin over LSU at all....

(09-06-2014 10:59 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  No disrespect to any of the B1G posters. It's days like today why the B1G gets ripped to shreds on this board. Y'all have fantastic fanbases and has a great TV deal. But let's face it, even when the league looks like it's making strides, it's simply an overrated league.

I that just set's up a mentality that it's not worth reevaluating if anyone has progressed later. I'm disappointed with the "I'm saying this as your friend" approach to the post.

(09-06-2014 11:02 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 11:01 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 10:59 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  No disrespect to any of the B1G posters. It's days like today why the B1G gets ripped to shreds on this board. Y'all have fantastic fanbases and has a great TV deal. But let's face it, even when the league looks like it's making strides, it's simply an overrated league.

The same B1G posters that were laughing at the demise of the ACC not too long ago and talking about the Big Four

Most of the ACC is terrible.

That's pretty rich, coming from the B1G....

you poor man...Iowa AND Rutgers. that's a bad combo right there.

(09-07-2014 12:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 12:16 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 12:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 12:09 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 12:03 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Right Mich St and Wisconsin would be ranked- but none of the other wins on their schedules would be.

Big 12 isn't my conference. But even if they falter- you have the Notre Dame problem as well. If they're 11-1 with a loss to FSU only- they will be in over Big 10 champ.

Also end of the year- Oklahoma plays Oklahoma St and Baylor plays Kansas St. Very possible one of those games is huge on the last night of the season...

My bad, thought you were a Big 12 guy. Yes, it could work out unfavorably for The Big Ten in the polls but history shows us that an 11-1 Big Ten team is going to be highly ranked and I think we are going to have a season with a lot of cross losses in conferences such as the SEC and Big 12. I think it is more likely we see two loss teams come out of there on top.

Notre Dame is definitely an issue now BUT they have a crazy schedule this year.

Even if the SEC has a 2 loss champion it's very possible that the committee, tasked with picking the best teams, would select them over a Big Ten team.

It's possible yes, not very possible.

Michigan State and Wisconsin will have the Championship game, in this scenario, to show themselves off. Championship games are going to be given the biggest weight because they are the final games and show us how the teams are playing at the moment and not in the past.

I know folks seem to have a mental block when it comes to the SEC but it will come down to WHEN those losses happen and to whom.

So would the SEC having a championship game. Say LSU takes 2 losses in the season but wins the SEC title game over say a 11-1 Georgia team. Wisconsin beats Michigan St. I just don't see the committee taking Wisconsin over LSU at all....

You are trying pretty hard aren't you? I am speaking in much more wide perspective discussion while you are now countering with a single situation of LSU? Who do they lose to? Who do those teams have losses to and during what weeks? That week 1 loss of Wisconsin is barely going to be a blip in the eyes of the Committee members. There will be plenty of weeks of Wisconsin gameplay to judge since that point. You are making the entire basis of your point upon a week 1 loss and not taking into consideration at all when and to whom those two losses of LSU's would have happened.

Basically, you are being very picky in what you say because you cant wrap your mind around the possibility that an SEC team could be left out.

To go back to politics, if the SEC is being a pain in the ass in holding things up, that would be a possible method for the others to have their constituents on the committee apply some serious pressure.

Since a conference's constituents aren't present during the discussion about their conference's teams, the SEC will be dependent upon the other conferences to prop up such a 2 loss team.

(09-07-2014 12:36 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 11:02 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 11:01 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 10:59 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  No disrespect to any of the B1G posters. It's days like today why the B1G gets ripped to shreds on this board. Y'all have fantastic fanbases and has a great TV deal. But let's face it, even when the league looks like it's making strides, it's simply an overrated league.

The same B1G posters that were laughing at the demise of the ACC not too long ago and talking about the Big Four

Most of the ACC is terrible.

That's pretty rich, coming from the B1G....

you poor man...Iowa AND Rutgers. that's a bad combo right there.

Enjoy the AAC, we know how much it rankles you that Iowa and Rutgers are in a Major and Cincy....well Cincy never will be with that pittance of a stadium.

(09-07-2014 12:42 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 12:36 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 11:02 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 11:01 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 10:59 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  No disrespect to any of the B1G posters. It's days like today why the B1G gets ripped to shreds on this board. Y'all have fantastic fanbases and has a great TV deal. But let's face it, even when the league looks like it's making strides, it's simply an overrated league.

The same B1G posters that were laughing at the demise of the ACC not too long ago and talking about the Big Four

Most of the ACC is terrible.

That's pretty rich, coming from the B1G....

you poor man...Iowa AND Rutgers. that's a bad combo right there.

Enjoy the AAC, we know how much it rankles you that Iowa and Rutgers are in a Major and Cincy....well Cincy never will be with that pittance of a stadium.

Please. Rutgers has been a failure at every level of every sport except womens basketball. They do less with more.

Smack from a Rutgers fan? Please.

(09-07-2014 01:31 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 12:42 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 12:36 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 11:02 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 11:01 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  The same B1G posters that were laughing at the demise of the ACC not too long ago and talking about the Big Four

Most of the ACC is terrible.

That's pretty rich, coming from the B1G....

you poor man...Iowa AND Rutgers. that's a bad combo right there.

Enjoy the AAC, we know how much it rankles you that Iowa and Rutgers are in a Major and Cincy....well Cincy never will be with that pittance of a stadium.

Please. Rutgers has been a failure at every level of every sport except womens basketball. They do less with more.

Smack from a Rutgers fan? Please.

Please, idiot, I only have Rutgers there because I am pulling for them due to all the attitude they get from guys like you and the Cincy fan. If they don't do well it is no skin off my back. I just hope they do well, that is all so please...stop thinking you are getting anywhere with that line of thinking except in proving how simplistic and plebian your thinking is.

I will take the high road here and say that it is way too early in the season to write off the B1G. One loss teams will be in the final four...

(09-07-2014 12:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 11:21 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Number of all time BCS appearances by current B1G members.

Ohio State (10)
Michigan (5)
Wisconsin (5)
Nebraska (2)
Penn State (2)
Iowa (2)
Illinois (2)
Michigan St (1)
Maryland (1)
Purdue (1)

Compare this list to the SEC.......

Florida (7)
Alabama (6)
LSU (5)
Auburn (3)
Georgia (3)
Tennessee (2)
Arkansas (1)
Texas A&M (1)

B1G is a very top heavy conference built on Ohio State as the dominant team located in the best recruiting state. You get the feeling at a lot of the places in the B1G there is no hope of winning a national title. In the SEC everyone is playing for a national title.

BCS appearances for the SEC and B1G are inflated by the fan bases (moreso B1G). Those are the most attractive conferences to the bowls.

But your numbers don't really support your assertions. Both conferences have 3 schools with 5 or more. SEC has 2 with 3, but both have 6 with 2 or more. Big 10 had 10/14 with appearances while SEC has 8/14. You numbers simply show that Ohio St. has been consistently good. The same can't be said about Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Florida and Tennessee. All have had some down periods in the BCS era. Georgia has been pretty consistent, but hasn't won many conference championships.

"There are lies, damned lies, and statistics". The SEC having 5 different schools to win it all, let alone it's dominance in crystal footballs during the BCS era simply makes your statement about our fan bases having anything to do with how many we got in look like the sour grapes that it is. Plus it is misleading in that Networks and markets are the reason we don't have a 4 champions model. They are so afraid that one day South Carolina and Baylor match up against Arizona State and an Iowa that they don't know how else to control it other than trough a committee. They loved the polls because the populated areas got the majority of the votes. Realignment has been as much about property rights acquisition, market sculpting, and will likely end with some kind of attempt at competitive balancing (although this part of it will not be earthshaking because of geographical impediments).

That said the only great part about the BCS is that it prevented the scams of some of the media darlings from being able to avoid schools that could beat them altogether. Nothing made me happier than when the PAC and Big 10 champ no longer could avoid the SEC, Big 8, and SWC champions.

(09-07-2014 01:56 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 01:31 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 12:42 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 12:36 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 11:02 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Most of the ACC is terrible.

That's pretty rich, coming from the B1G....

you poor man...Iowa AND Rutgers. that's a bad combo right there.

Enjoy the AAC, we know how much it rankles you that Iowa and Rutgers are in a Major and Cincy....well Cincy never will be with that pittance of a stadium.

Please. Rutgers has been a failure at every level of every sport except womens basketball. They do less with more.

Smack from a Rutgers fan? Please.

Please, idiot, I only have Rutgers there because I am pulling for them due to all the attitude they get from guys like you and the Cincy fan. If they don't do well it is no skin off my back. I just hope they do well, that is all so please...stop thinking you are getting anywhere with that line of thinking except in proving how simplistic and plebian your thinking is.

Well I guess its good that someone is pulling for Rutgers because there are few that do. Enjoy the 4 win seasons. And the risible claims to academic superiority that come from being in the B1G. And continued basketball irrelevance.

The B1G could have taken Uconn. At least they have fans. And basketball. And have just as much of a claim on the NYC market as Rutgers does (neither can capture it).