Yet the GOP calls him a hero.


I know the truth - Ronal Reagan is burning in hell (if it exists) for ignoring the HIV crisis for 6 years.


That's right - he did not mention it, or do anything for 6 years - 20,000 AMERICANS were already dead by then.


Reagan - worst President in my lifetime.

I'll say the same thing regarding HIV and I do Ebola... his medical advisers and the CDC should be in charge of all of those decisions, the President is not a doctor nor does he sleep in Holiday Expresses. Reagan has no culpability there, nor does Obama for this.

(10-17-2014 12:08 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Yet the GOP calls him a hero.


I know the truth - Ronal Reagan is burning in hell (if it exists) for ignoring the HIV crisis for 6 years.


That's right - he did not mention it, or do anything for 6 years - 20,000 AMERICANS were already dead by then.


Reagan - worst President in my lifetime.

See, I mentioned this insanity a few days ago.

Nothing about this irrationality makes any sense, but if you're gay then you obviously have to hate Reagan.

The 1980's called.

It wants its political talking points back.

(10-17-2014 12:10 PM)mlb Wrote:  I'll say the same thing regarding HIV and I do Ebola... his medical advisers and the CDC should be in charge of all of those decisions, the President is not a doctor nor does he sleep in Holiday Expresses. Reagan has no culpability there, nor does Obama for this.

Except the two bear no similarities. Obama is culpable for this b/c he won't do the job he can do: ban air traffic.

(10-17-2014 12:08 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Yet the GOP calls him a hero.


I know the truth - Ronal Reagan is burning in hell (if it exists) for ignoring the HIV crisis for 6 years.


That's right - he did not mention it, or do anything for 6 years - 20,000 AMERICANS were already dead by then.


Reagan - worst President in my lifetime.

Aren't you like 50 years old? Good Lord man, grow up.

What were you doing throughout the '80 about HIV?

(10-17-2014 12:14 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  Except the two bear no similarities. Obama is culpable for this b/c he won't do the job he can do: ban air traffic.

Should Reagan have closed air traffic from Africa to protect against the spread of HIV? I mean, the transmission factor here isn't completely dissimilar.

(10-17-2014 12:16 PM)Paul M Wrote:  What were you doing throughout the '80 about HIV?

Educating others.

(10-17-2014 12:17 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 12:14 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  Except the two bear no similarities. Obama is culpable for this b/c he won't do the job he can do: ban air traffic.

Should Reagan have closed air traffic from Africa to protect against the spread of HIV? I mean, the transmission factor here isn't completely dissimilar.

Would I be a bigot for blaming it on gays? They brought it back with them. Could have quarantined all homosexuals.

(10-17-2014 12:15 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 12:08 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Yet the GOP calls him a hero.


I know the truth - Ronal Reagan is burning in hell (if it exists) for ignoring the HIV crisis for 6 years.


That's right - he did not mention it, or do anything for 6 years - 20,000 AMERICANS were already dead by then.


Reagan - worst President in my lifetime.

Aren't you like 50 years old? Good Lord man, grow up.

LOL - great comeback. Not. Truth is truth

Well then you were failing.

(10-17-2014 12:23 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 12:16 PM)Paul M Wrote:  What were you doing throughout the '80 about HIV?

Educating others.

Didn't work so well. More do as I say and not as I do, right?

(10-17-2014 12:24 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 12:15 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 12:08 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Yet the GOP calls him a hero.


I know the truth - Ronal Reagan is burning in hell (if it exists) for ignoring the HIV crisis for 6 years.


That's right - he did not mention it, or do anything for 6 years - 20,000 AMERICANS were already dead by then.


Reagan - worst President in my lifetime.

Aren't you like 50 years old? Good Lord man, grow up.

LOL - great comeback. Not. Truth is truth

Just letting you know you're acting 15. Take it how you want to.

(10-17-2014 12:17 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 12:14 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  Except the two bear no similarities. Obama is culpable for this b/c he won't do the job he can do: ban air traffic.

Should Reagan have closed air traffic from Africa to protect against the spread of HIV? I mean, the transmission factor here isn't completely dissimilar.

Actually it is.

(10-17-2014 12:17 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 12:14 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  Except the two bear no similarities. Obama is culpable for this b/c he won't do the job he can do: ban air traffic.

Should Reagan have closed air traffic from Africa to protect against the spread of HIV? I mean, the transmission factor here isn't completely dissimilar.

C'mon, of course it is.

A. Ebola has been known about for how long? Look at the stuff Mach listed, he's been "involved" with it for years, I heard about I think in a Time magazine probably in the early 80's.

B. HIV-AIDS was essentially unknown at the time. We didn't have global news, really. Some people in remote areas of Africa had some weird disease, no one knew what it was, where it came from, how it started or much about how it was spread.

To this day we don't really know how it arrived here. The last I read about their trying to wind this back was (I believe, it's been a while) some flight steward guy that contracted it overseas somewhere, maybe Africa, and landed in the Twin Cities. I think they called him patient X or something like that and the story went that he was either extremely "promiscuous" and ran around giving it to as many as 100 or more people himself, OR he knew he had some kind of a death sentence and was hell bent on taking out as many people with him as he could.

Now, how would closing airports to and from Africa at that point have done anything?

And we've had this idiotic argument before. If you were any older than about 10 in 1980++ and weren't aware of, educated about, and knew ALLLL the dirty little secrets about HIV-AIDS and what to do, what NOT to do, then you were either willfully ignorant or monumentally irresponsible.

No one is trying to get ebola. AIDS, yea, many actively were. IOW's all the Presidential addresses in the world would have changed about zip in the spread of AIDS.

(10-17-2014 12:23 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Would I be a bigot for blaming it on gays? They brought it back with them. Could have quarantined all homosexuals.

How do you know that? HIV can be spread through shared needles, heterosexual sex, blood transfusions... it isn't just gay sex.

(10-17-2014 12:15 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Aren't you like 50 years old? Good Lord man, grow up.

Ouch. I know that's not directed at me, but that just hurts. Low blow... can we get a moderator over here?

(10-17-2014 12:31 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  And we've had this idiotic argument before. If you were any older than about 10 in 1980++ and weren't aware of, educated about, and knew ALLLL the dirty little secrets about HIV-AIDS and what to do, what NOT to do, then you were either willfully ignorant or monumentally irresponsible.

I can remember in the early/mid 1980's people being concerned they could get AIDS by going to the barber (if they got knicked after a gay person got knicked). People didn't understand HIV at all.

All I'm saying that blaming the President for following the recommendations of the so-called "experts" in the field is ridiculous. On both counts.

(10-17-2014 12:30 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 12:17 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 12:14 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  Except the two bear no similarities. Obama is culpable for this b/c he won't do the job he can do: ban air traffic.

Should Reagan have closed air traffic from Africa to protect against the spread of HIV? I mean, the transmission factor here isn't completely dissimilar.

Actually it is.

Both require exchange of bodily fluid.