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RE: Panel discussion at Wake Forest addresses whether football should be banned
(11-24-2014 01:31 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(11-23-2014 10:36 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Uc and/or uConn > wake.

Crab Legs > Rape

This is a sad attempt at humor. But I expect nothing less from your ilk.

I explained why they are better. No tobacco road fan has explained why they are not.
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RE: Panel discussion at Wake Forest addresses whether football should be banned
(11-23-2014 09:11 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(11-23-2014 08:56 PM)MHSCard Wrote:  
(11-23-2014 08:00 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  Your position is ridiculous.
And your school is the Pete Best of the ACC.

Is yours Ringo?
Sure in the sense that we are new comers that actual contribute and not just famous because we are associated with those who do.
11-24-2014 04:30 AM
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RE: Panel discussion at Wake Forest addresses whether football should be banned
(11-24-2014 02:01 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(11-24-2014 01:31 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(11-23-2014 10:36 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Uc and/or uConn > wake.

Crab Legs > Rape

This is a sad attempt at humor. But I expect nothing less from your ilk.

I explained why they are better. No tobacco road fan has explained why they are not.

Don't be butt hurt, little lady. I think it is a nonsensical waste of time to debate whether either of those schools could replace a founding member who was instrumental in shaping the conference. It is just ridiculous. It is like saying Kentucky is better than Louisville, or Florida is better than Florida State. I'm just glad that you've had the chance to witness poor little Wake beat your mighty Noles. In fact, Wake has beat FSU as many times as Cincy has played and lost to them.

I suppose I shouldn't expect you to be any different seeing how you named your handle after a sad, racist, old woman.
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RE: Panel discussion at Wake Forest addresses whether football should be banned
(11-24-2014 04:30 AM)MHSCard Wrote:  
(11-23-2014 09:11 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(11-23-2014 08:56 PM)MHSCard Wrote:  
(11-23-2014 08:00 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  Your position is ridiculous.
And your school is the Pete Best of the ACC.

Is yours Ringo?
Sure in the sense that we are new comers that actual contribute and not just famous because we are associated with those who do.

As in we're still trying to figure out how you got in the band because you haven't done sh!t. Hahaha, I'm sure you guys will contribute someday, but seriously it's annoying seeing a fan of a school lucky enough to be here trashing an amazing school that has proven itself, despite its limitations, in big time sports. I would think your ND fandom would cause you to be a little more well mannered.
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RE: Panel discussion at Wake Forest addresses whether football should be banned
My team has already made a contribution to the brand with recent Championship in basketball, a Sugar bowl win where our fans were heard on national tv chanting ACC, we were in the College World series last year. If you do not see the value we bring.. too bad we are here to stay and we earn our way.
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RE: Panel discussion at Wake Forest addresses whether football should be banned
I don't understand how people can go after a school that:

- is a founding ACC member
- has a well-balanced athletic department that enjoys success in a number of minor sports
- has an endowment of just over $1B (which is very good)
- does not have a storied history of spitting all over the NCAA rule book
- has won an ACC title in recent memory - although the football team kinda sucks right now
- is a presentably strong institution and historic progam
- is a natural pair to fellow private member Duke
- is in the "prestigious" AAU, and has a tidy US News ranking inside the top 50

I really don't get the attacks on Wake Forest. It seems really small time from where I'm sitting.
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RE: Panel discussion at Wake Forest addresses whether football should be banned
Why hasn't this thread been moved to the smack board yet? There's only about three posts that address the actual topic.
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RE: Panel discussion at Wake Forest addresses whether football should be banned
Semi-OT:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73DECIGwkt8

This is a semi-recent panel discussion that was done at a "non-football" school. There are some decent points made here - although the pro-football side didn't really construct strong arguments considering the ammo that was available.
11-24-2014 11:27 AM
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RE: Panel discussion at Wake Forest addresses whether football should be banned
(11-24-2014 02:01 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  I explained why they are better. No tobacco road fan has explained why they are not.

Because the entire subject is just flame bait. Wake doesn't have to justify its membership in a conference it helped found.
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(11-24-2014 11:36 AM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  
(11-24-2014 02:01 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  I explained why they are better. No tobacco road fan has explained why they are not.

Because the entire subject is just flame bait. Wake doesn't have to justify its membership in a conference it helped found.
And that is a fair point. But it seems odd to be starting debate over cancelling a sport that is basically funding the conference sports programs as a whole. It seems to be supporting tossing the baby with the bath water to me. Again sorry for being a troll and flaming so much. It just seems when it comes to matters of equity, merit and promoting the conference Wake seems to be in the middle of alot of things that seem to hold the ACC. I may be completly wrong in that but it had me fired up.
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RE: Panel discussion at Wake Forest addresses whether football should be banned
(11-24-2014 11:36 AM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  
(11-24-2014 02:01 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  I explained why they are better. No tobacco road fan has explained why they are not.

Because the entire subject is just flame bait. Wake doesn't have to justify its membership in a conference it helped found.
And that is a fair point. But it seems odd to be starting debate over cancelling a sport that is basically funding the conference sports programs as a whole. It seems to be supporting tossing the baby with the bath water to me. Again sorry for being a troll and flaming so much. It just seems when it comes to matters of equity, merit and promoting the conference Wake seems to be in the middle of alot of things that seem to hold the ACC. I may be completly wrong in that but it had me fired up.
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RE: Panel discussion at Wake Forest addresses whether football should be banned
(11-24-2014 10:13 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(11-24-2014 02:01 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(11-24-2014 01:31 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(11-23-2014 10:36 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Uc and/or uConn > wake.

Crab Legs > Rape

This is a sad attempt at humor. But I expect nothing less from your ilk.

I explained why they are better. No tobacco road fan has explained why they are not.

Don't be butt hurt, little lady. I think it is a nonsensical waste of time to debate whether either of those schools could replace a founding member who was instrumental in shaping the conference. It is just ridiculous. It is like saying Kentucky is better than Louisville, or Florida is better than Florida State. I'm just glad that you've had the chance to witness poor little Wake beat your mighty Noles. In fact, Wake has beat FSU as many times as Cincy has played and lost to them.

I suppose I shouldn't expect you to be any different seeing how you named your handle after a sad, racist, old woman.

Uh oh. You're losing. I'm winning. You may not understand what I'm saying but it's happening.

You also clearly don't understand the "hypothetical" part of this discussion. But good for you anyways.
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RE: Panel discussion at Wake Forest addresses whether football should be banned
(11-24-2014 11:36 AM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  
(11-24-2014 02:01 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  I explained why they are better. No tobacco road fan has explained why they are not.

Because the entire subject is just flame bait. Wake doesn't have to justify its membership in a conference it helped found.

All the tobacco road people keep saying "founding member, this is stupid". That's literally the entire defense.

On their merits and best guesses based on what we know about conferences and how they've realigned, which school would be a greater asset to a conference? Pretty simple.

Nobody actually thinks wake is going to get kicked out of the conference, as has been acknowledged numerous times already, even if the conference would be better off without them.
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Flame away Marge.
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(11-24-2014 12:00 PM)MHSCard Wrote:  And that is a fair point. But it seems odd to be starting debate over cancelling a sport that is basically funding the conference sports programs as a whole. It seems to be supporting tossing the baby with the bath water to me. Again sorry for being a troll and flaming so much. It just seems when it comes to matters of equity, merit and promoting the conference Wake seems to be in the middle of alot of things that seem to hold the ACC. I may be completly wrong in that but it had me fired up.

Wake Forest is not advocating for football to be banned and certainly isn't starting the debate over anything.

Our law school had an academic panel discussion about an issue in the news for our sports law program. The provocative title the panel gave it to drum up attendance got a small mention in the local newspapers. This whole thing is much ado about nothing. They host these discussions about different topics all the time.

I have no idea what you're talking about in the matters of "equity, merit and promoting the conference".

If you're talking about the current state of our football and basketball programs, then yes they're both in the rebuilding mode. Basketball especially made a disastrous hire that wrecked our program for a few years. But our basketball team has been ranked #1 in the country twice in the past decade and has two of the best known players in the NBA, so it's not like we don't normally pull our weight in that department.

Danny Manning is making a lot of noise on the recruiting trail so we should return to be a regular Top 25 team in a few years.
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Again, it is not personal and I do apologize if I am over the top. I am used to debating with UK fans and that tends to promote venom and hyperbole. But I still stand behind the idea that just because Louisville maybe new, we bring a ton to the table and I will not defer opinions automatically to a fan of a school because the school they support has been around longer. I think we need more schools that are adding to the brand and less deferance to any old guard.
Touching on that and a remark from the UNC fan. I do respect tradition, I love Notre Dame I am a huge Irish fan, but I would rather sit in a chairback seat at Cardinal Stadium then on the postage stamp number on the wooden bleachers of Notre Dame. That is not because Cardinal stadium is a better venue than Notre Dame, Louisville can not compare to that history or tradition. But my back feels a lot better after a Louisville game because the seats are newer and better. Tradition and history mean a lot. But there are good things about new advances and changes too. And far too often we hold on to the wrong traditions instead of embracing a new reality and it holds us back.
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(11-23-2014 06:19 PM)MHSCard Wrote:  
(11-23-2014 06:09 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  
(11-23-2014 06:00 PM)MHSCard Wrote:  
(11-23-2014 05:57 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  You also trailed in the 4th quarter the only other time we played.
I know, and we also won that game too.. The Wake bye is awesome.04-cheers

Carry on with the flamefest, twit.

I really am not a twit. I just had a very bad experience with snobby self important jerks at the Orange bowl who were too good to drink with us lowly Cards fans and basically said that to us at a Miami bar. And then when for years we were held on the outside of the BCS looking in at the likes of Wake, Vandy, and others getting big checks for under preforming and then hearing that Wake was trying to obstruct us from joining the ACC, I have an Ax to grind I admit. Sorry if you are not like that, and I am not usually a troll, I realize I have been a bad one to you and probably will be again in the future. But realize it is not personal to yourself, I just do not like what your school has represented to me in the past or present.

Actually we didn't want to drink with the sloppy drunk Cards fans who were stumbling through Fat Tuesday's in Coconut Grove. If there were any Cards fans who could hold their drink, we would have been glad to raise a few pints with them. 04-cheers
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RE: Panel discussion at Wake Forest addresses whether football should be banned
(11-24-2014 12:08 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(11-24-2014 11:36 AM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  
(11-24-2014 02:01 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  I explained why they are better. No tobacco road fan has explained why they are not.

Because the entire subject is just flame bait. Wake doesn't have to justify its membership in a conference it helped found.

All the tobacco road people keep saying "founding member, this is stupid". That's literally the entire defense.

On their merits and best guesses based on what we know about conferences and how they've realigned, which school would be a greater asset to a conference? Pretty simple.

Nobody actually thinks wake is going to get kicked out of the conference, as has been acknowledged numerous times already, even if the conference would be better off without them.

FSU should be the first team kicked out of the ACC due to their complete & utter inability to investigate criminal charges against their athletes & their collusion with the Tallahassee redneck PD.

UNC should probably be kicked out too, due to their egregious academic fraud issues. The question then arises: if SACS removes UNC's accreditation, can the Heels remain a member of the ACC if they are no longer an accredited university?
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