(12-06-2014 11:37 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 11:35 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 11:11 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 10:53 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I agree.

Bama vs FSU
Oregon vs OSU

Six legit claims to four spots. But this is best four

Pretty tough to make the argument that TCU was better than FSU last week but worse after this week.

So is the discussion "FSU or OSU"?

The 12 people in that conference room are going to have to seriously discuss leaving the only undefeated team out of the playoff. Crazy.

By the way, the talking heads on ESPN are making a full-court press for Ohio State right now. And probably hoping that the committee members are sitting in their hotel watching.

I can't see them leaving an unbeaten FSU out.

Odds are Ohio St. and Baylor are out.

But the only ones who can breathe fairly easy are Alabama and Oregon.

If we had a 2 team BCS, imagine how controversial that would be with FSU left out. This would have been more controversial than any year but 2008.

Let the B12 expansion rumors begin.

(12-06-2014 11:42 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 11:35 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 11:20 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 11:14 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Still nonsensical. OSU has played too many tight ball games through the course of the season. That's the only reason they'll miss it at this point. If the committee is consistent, TCU will be in at 3. But for every PSU game, there is a Kansas game. Or an OU game. So to me, OSU is comparable and have better wins. TCU does not have the signature win. That's the difference.

How do we know? TCU beat K-State, who looks a heckuva lot better than Wisconsin. Michigan State is the only Ohio State opponent worthy of respect. We don't have a large enough sample size of teams being tested against quality opponents. The decision is purely subjective.

That's the whole problem with leaving it up to 12 people whose opinions are no more or less valuable than yours or mine.

No way you can make an argument that Kansas state is any better than Wisconsin. Kansas state hasn't beaten anyone all year. Who's their best win? Honestly. An average 8-4 Oklahoma team?

Wisconsin didn't beat anyone better than Oklahoma. And when K-State played the best teams on their schedule, they didn't get squashed like bugs on a windshield.

Their wins are pretty much a wash. I'll give k state credit for no bad losses, but that doesn't all of a sudden make them a significantly better team than Wisconsin. Robert summed it up well a few posts ago in my opinion.

To those have TCU in, so TCU gets a pass on two playoff metrics; the championship game and head to head? I don't see it.

(12-06-2014 11:37 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 11:35 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 11:11 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 10:53 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I agree.

Bama vs FSU
Oregon vs OSU

Six legit claims to four spots. But this is best four

Pretty tough to make the argument that TCU was better than FSU last week but worse after this week.

So is the discussion "FSU or OSU"?

The 12 people in that conference room are going to have to seriously discuss leaving the only undefeated team out of the playoff. Crazy.

By the way, the talking heads on ESPN are making a full-court press for Ohio State right now. And probably hoping that the committee members are sitting in their hotel watching.

Team A - Ohio State 12-1

2 wins over what will now be one top 10 and one top 25 ranked teams
1 loss to a 6-6 school Virginia Tech

Team B - Baylor 11-1

2 wins over what will now be two one top 10 and one top 25 ranked teams

1 loss to a 7-5 school West Virginia

Team C - TCU

2 wins over what will be a top 10 and one top 25 ranked team

1 loss to a 11-1 school Baylor

These three are competing for the last spot.

Oklahoma State hurt TCU and Baylor today and helped FSU.

They are going to have to walk back on ranking TCU as highly as they did.

But, it looks like this for whoever gets the short end of the stick...

TCU wins and drops two spots
FSU is the undefeated national champ and gets bumped down another spot
OSU wins huge and is conference champ and doesn't move

Insane

At the end of the day, it all comes down to this: I think Alabama, Oregon, and FSU have all done enough to deserve inclusion. TCU, OSU, and Baylor are all great teams, but the 2 that are left out can only complain so much. TCU had Baylor down on the mat and let them make a miraculous comeback. Baylor scheduled softies out of conference. And OSU lost an early-season game to a mediocre Virginia Tech team because Urban Meyer didn't trust JT Barrett enough to give him full control of the offense. Coaching and athletic director decisions will ultimately be the reason 2 of these 3 teams are left out.

(12-06-2014 11:43 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 11:37 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 11:35 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 11:11 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 10:53 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I agree.

Bama vs FSU
Oregon vs OSU

Six legit claims to four spots. But this is best four

Pretty tough to make the argument that TCU was better than FSU last week but worse after this week.

So is the discussion "FSU or OSU"?

The 12 people in that conference room are going to have to seriously discuss leaving the only undefeated team out of the playoff. Crazy.

By the way, the talking heads on ESPN are making a full-court press for Ohio State right now. And probably hoping that the committee members are sitting in their hotel watching.

I can't see them leaving an unbeaten FSU out.

Odds are Ohio St. and Baylor are out.

But the only ones who can breathe fairly easy are Alabama and Oregon.

If we had a 2 team BCS, imagine how controversial that would be with FSU left out. This would have been more controversial than any year but 2008.

A 29 game winning streak (including 3 ACCCG's, 2 OB, and a NC) FSU shouldn't be left out of the tourney. Period. The only reason why this is even an issue is because it drives up ratings. FSU should be #1. It has been years since they lost a game. Nobody else in the nation can say that. FSU isn't always pretty, but they are very good.

We've been told it's about the four best teams. To me that's Alabama, Oregon, Florida state, and Ohio state in that order. I don't have a problem if the committee puts TCU in, but I wouldn't agree with it.

We'll see what the committee thinks tomorrow. It's certainly interesting and tonight created a lot of drama. The real winner is college football.

(12-06-2014 11:47 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  To those have TCU in, so TCU gets a pass on two playoff metrics; the championship game and head to head? I don't see it.

Championship game is NOT a metric. Conference championship is.

(12-06-2014 11:51 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 11:43 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 11:37 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 11:35 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 11:11 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Six legit claims to four spots. But this is best four

Pretty tough to make the argument that TCU was better than FSU last week but worse after this week.

So is the discussion "FSU or OSU"?

The 12 people in that conference room are going to have to seriously discuss leaving the only undefeated team out of the playoff. Crazy.

By the way, the talking heads on ESPN are making a full-court press for Ohio State right now. And probably hoping that the committee members are sitting in their hotel watching.

I can't see them leaving an unbeaten FSU out.

Odds are Ohio St. and Baylor are out.

But the only ones who can breathe fairly easy are Alabama and Oregon.

If we had a 2 team BCS, imagine how controversial that would be with FSU left out. This would have been more controversial than any year but 2008.

A 29 game winning streak (including 3 ACCCG's, 2 OB, and a NC) FSU shouldn't be left out of the tourney. Period. The only reason why this is even an issue is because it drives up ratings. FSU should be #1. It has been years since they lost a game. Nobody else in the nation can say that. FSU isn't always pretty, but they are very good.

16 of those wins are totally irrelevant.

(12-06-2014 11:50 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 11:37 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 11:35 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 11:11 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 10:53 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I agree.

Bama vs FSU
Oregon vs OSU

Six legit claims to four spots. But this is best four

Pretty tough to make the argument that TCU was better than FSU last week but worse after this week.

So is the discussion "FSU or OSU"?

The 12 people in that conference room are going to have to seriously discuss leaving the only undefeated team out of the playoff. Crazy.

By the way, the talking heads on ESPN are making a full-court press for Ohio State right now. And probably hoping that the committee members are sitting in their hotel watching.

Team A - Ohio State 12-1

2 wins over what will now be one top 10 and one top 25 ranked teams
1 loss to a 6-6 school Virginia Tech

Team B - Baylor 11-1

2 wins over what will now be two one top 10 and one top 25 ranked teams

1 loss to a 7-5 school West Virginia

Team C - TCU

2 wins over what will be a top 10 and one top 25 ranked team

1 loss to a 11-1 school Baylor

These three are competing for the last spot.

Keep in mind Oklahoma lost at home to Oklahoma State. That means they will most likely fall out of the rankings. That's one less ranked team Baylor and TCU can claim. Essentially I think this comes down to Baylor and Ohio State now. Ohio State due to playing more bowl teams, tougher schedule, championship game should get in.

(12-06-2014 11:52 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 11:47 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  To those have TCU in, so TCU gets a pass on two playoff metrics; the championship game and head to head? I don't see it.

Championship game is NOT a metric. Conference championship is.

Not when you don't play an extra game for it

(12-06-2014 11:51 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  They are going to have to walk back on ranking TCU as highly as they did.

But, it looks like this for whoever gets the short end of the stick...

TCU wins and drops two spots
FSU is the undefeated national champ and gets bumped down another spot
OSU wins huge and is conference champ and doesn't move

Insane

The committee screwed up by moving an undefeated FSU down.

There needs to be an 8 team playoff with each conference champ getting a spot, and 2-3 at larges (for ND and really good CCG runner-ups), depending on whether the g5 should have auto representation. That would settle it once and for all.

(12-06-2014 11:50 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 11:37 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 11:35 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 11:11 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 10:53 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I agree.

Bama vs FSU
Oregon vs OSU

Six legit claims to four spots. But this is best four

Pretty tough to make the argument that TCU was better than FSU last week but worse after this week.

So is the discussion "FSU or OSU"?

The 12 people in that conference room are going to have to seriously discuss leaving the only undefeated team out of the playoff. Crazy.

By the way, the talking heads on ESPN are making a full-court press for Ohio State right now. And probably hoping that the committee members are sitting in their hotel watching.

Team A - Ohio State 12-1

2 wins over what will now be one top 10 and one top 25 ranked teams
1 loss to a 6-6 school Virginia Tech

Team B - Baylor 11-1

2 wins over what will now be two one top 10 and one top 25 ranked teams

1 loss to a 7-5 school West Virginia

Team C - TCU

2 wins over what will be a top 10 and one top 25 ranked team

1 loss to a 11-1 school Baylor

These three are competing for the last spot.

Oklahoma State hurt TCU and Baylor today and helped FSU.

The committee isn't evaluating it like that. That's how the basketball committee is instructed to evaluate teams, but the football committee is evaluating on the four 'best' teams. That's the current system.

I am not a B1G guy but I am weary of hearing about how pitiful they are this year. I would like to see all the young upstarts, mainly TCU and Baylor, take a trip through the B1G in any year. Ohio State will, and should be #4. Who else on the list can win a championship against a division winning 10-2 opponent with a third string QB? That's right...no one. TCU should have played Baylor today in a championship game. Guess Texas still has not granted permission for that. Must still have that sour taste in their mouths from a previous CCG.

(12-06-2014 11:55 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 11:50 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 11:37 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 11:35 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 11:11 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Six legit claims to four spots. But this is best four

Pretty tough to make the argument that TCU was better than FSU last week but worse after this week.

So is the discussion "FSU or OSU"?

The 12 people in that conference room are going to have to seriously discuss leaving the only undefeated team out of the playoff. Crazy.

By the way, the talking heads on ESPN are making a full-court press for Ohio State right now. And probably hoping that the committee members are sitting in their hotel watching.

Team A - Ohio State 12-1

2 wins over what will now be one top 10 and one top 25 ranked teams
1 loss to a 6-6 school Virginia Tech

Team B - Baylor 11-1

2 wins over what will now be two one top 10 and one top 25 ranked teams

1 loss to a 7-5 school West Virginia

Team C - TCU

2 wins over what will be a top 10 and one top 25 ranked team

1 loss to a 11-1 school Baylor

These three are competing for the last spot.

Oklahoma State hurt TCU and Baylor today and helped FSU.

The committee isn't evaluating it like that. That's how the basketball committee is instructed to evaluate teams, but the football committee is evaluating on the four 'best' teams. That's the current system.

And one of the criteria they use is wins over top 25 teams.

Although Ohio State has the worst loss of the three, I think they are better than TCU or Baylor.

If Ohio State is selected, you can have a true Rose Bowl with placing Oregon at 1 and Ohio State 4, and a true Sugar Bowl with Bama and FSU.

(12-06-2014 11:39 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  I think the fact that Ohio St emphatically beat down a good Wisconsin to claim an outright B1G title is going to be enough to push them into the playoff. If it had been close maybe they would of taken TCU, but it's not close and Cardale Jones has looked very good.
#1-Alabama
#2-Oregon
#3-Florida St
#4-Ohio St
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#5-TCU
#6-Baylor
#7-Michigan St
#8-Mississippi St
#9-Mississippi
#10-Kansas St
#11-Arizona
#12-Georgia Tech

12 teams in will be interesting. AL, OR, TCU, FSU, OSU, BU all make it. Pretty sure Michigan St. and Mississippi St. make it. Boise appears to be well on their way (21-0 at half). Georgia Tech is a lock for the Orange as long as they are ahead of Clemson which is a certainty. Last two are tricky. I'm inclined to agree with you-Ole Miss and Kansas St. Think Arizona falls too far. Don't think UGA or UCLA move up enough.

(12-06-2014 11:53 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 11:51 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 11:43 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 11:37 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 11:35 PM)bullet Wrote:  Pretty tough to make the argument that TCU was better than FSU last week but worse after this week.

So is the discussion "FSU or OSU"?

The 12 people in that conference room are going to have to seriously discuss leaving the only undefeated team out of the playoff. Crazy.

By the way, the talking heads on ESPN are making a full-court press for Ohio State right now. And probably hoping that the committee members are sitting in their hotel watching.

I can't see them leaving an unbeaten FSU out.

Odds are Ohio St. and Baylor are out.

But the only ones who can breathe fairly easy are Alabama and Oregon.

If we had a 2 team BCS, imagine how controversial that would be with FSU left out. This would have been more controversial than any year but 2008.

A 29 game winning streak (including 3 ACCCG's, 2 OB, and a NC) FSU shouldn't be left out of the tourney. Period. The only reason why this is even an issue is because it drives up ratings. FSU should be #1. It has been years since they lost a game. Nobody else in the nation can say that. FSU isn't always pretty, but they are very good.

16 of those wins are totally irrelevant.

Absolutely not. It speaks very much to the stability of the program and the quality of the team on the field this year.

It would be one thing if FSU lost this year, then sure, throw last year's games out. But in a world where talent supposedly matters (and not just record), the fact that many of the guys on FSU's team have played in 29 straight games without losing, including several really, really big games (BCS, CCG's, and NC), means that they should be given *every* benefit of the doubt (not that there should be any to begin with).