(12-11-2014 07:52 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  They need to let Las Vegas pick the top 4. They don't play favorites. Could care less how big or small a school is or where it's located.

Let's not even have a regular season. Vegas' pre season odds would suffice, yea?

(12-11-2014 07:52 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  They need to let Las Vegas pick the top 4. They don't play favorites. Could care less how big or small a school is or where it's located.

Let's not even have a regular season. Vegas' pre season odds would suffice, yea?

Considering what the Sooners did to them last year, 'Bama should be scared.

(12-12-2014 09:35 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Considering what the Sooners did to them last year, 'Bama should be scared.

Exactly. There is no warm weather curse afflicting TX schools.

(12-11-2014 09:18 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 05:35 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  TCU has more team speed than Alabama?

That's a good joke.

That is a fact! TCU has been one of the fastest football teams over the past 15 years than anyone in the country. Both them and Baylor have have near world class athlete at the skill positions for years!

See, I told you it was a good joke.

I would take TCU or Baylor by 2 touchdowns on a neutral field against Ohio State.

(12-12-2014 03:29 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  I would take TCU or Baylor by 2 touchdowns on a neutral field against Ohio State.

I will see your two touchdowns and raise you one - OSU by 21!!

Who is next in the unproveable prognosis posting?

(12-11-2014 11:18 PM)SecureDaBall Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 09:18 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 05:35 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  TCU has more team speed than Alabama?

That's a good joke.

That is a fact! TCU has been one of the fastest football teams over the past 15 years than anyone in the country. Both them and Baylor have have near world class athlete at the skill positions for years!

Fast but undersized as a design to play against the spread. It would have been nice to see how TCU's D held up against Bama's country cornfed O-line.

It would all depend on if TCU scored early. If either TCU or Baylor get up by 10 or more against any team in the playoff it's over.

TCU and BAYLOR fell victim to WEAK SCHEDULING... Baylor had the 128th strongest OOC schedule in the FBS, that is LAST! They then beat TCU... that at the end of the day made the decision easy - leave them both out!

(12-14-2014 07:58 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  TCU and BAYLOR fell victim to WEAK SCHEDULING... Baylor had the 128th strongest OOC schedule in the FBS, that is LAST! They then beat TCU... that at the end of the day made the decision easy - leave them both out!

Baylor was 3-0 against top 25 teams. They beat #9 TCU, #9 K-State and #15 Oklahoma.

TCU was 4-1 against the top 25. Beating #4 Oklahoma, #7 K State, #15 OK State, and #20 WVU. Only loss was to 11-1 Baylor who ended the year at #5. They also had a win over Minnesota.

Ohio St was 3-0 against the top 25. They beat #8 Michigan St, #16 Wisconsin and #24 Minnesota. Hardly something to brag about.

The fact is that had TCU or Baylor had Texas or Oklahoma on their chest they would have been in over tOSU. Two small privates would never unseat an elite like tOSU.

Committee members watch all the games and truly compare. People like you geaux, you shallowly recite statistics that don't matter and then you make up bull**** theories about how it is because they are small private schools.

First off, The Big 12 got their hand caught in the cookie jar trying to weasel in two teams instead of just saying Baylor was their champion. The Big 12 made the choice easy for the Committee.

Funny how folks like you always come up with loads of excuses instead of supporting responsibility.
You want to do the dumb statistic thing? Here you go.

http://www.teamrankings.com/college-foot...ng-by-team


You take away the first games of the year because most teams aren't playing their best ball. They are still figuring themselves out, especially when you lose your Heisman candidate quarterback. What does that "Last 10 game power rating" show? It shows that Ohio State is at the absolute top of it and that completely destroys your biased stat presentation.

Out of all the teams discussed in this thread, it's fairly obvious that the team most afraid of competition is Baylor. They were punished for their disgustingly weak OOC schedule. And I'm not sure if they've gotten the message yet as they don't look to be changing course from their current tactic of scheduling only creampuffs.

TCU was just unfortunate that they lost head-to-head against Baylor so a lot of people were adamant that Baylor should be ranked above them because of that.

(12-15-2014 01:00 PM)TomThumb Wrote:  Out of all the teams discussed in this thread, it's fairly obvious that the team most afraid of competition is Baylor. They were punished for their disgustingly weak OOC schedule. And I'm not sure if they've gotten the message yet as they don't look to be changing course from their current tactic of scheduling only creampuffs.

TCU was just unfortunate that they lost head-to-head against Baylor so a lot of people were adamant that Baylor should be ranked above them because of that.

Right, because the Bama schedule of Florida Atlantic (3 wins), Southern Miss (3 wins) and Western Carolina is a murderers row.

(12-15-2014 12:36 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  You take away the first games of the year because most teams aren't playing their best ball.

Who's "you"?

(12-15-2014 01:20 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  Right, because the Bama schedule of Florida Atlantic (3 wins), Southern Miss (3 wins) and Western Carolina is a murderers row.

Should I be surprised that you conveniently ignored the Alabama win over West Virginia?

Next year they play Wisconsin.

The year after they play USC.

The last few years they've played Michigan, Penn St., VT, and Clemson.

Every year they seem to schedule a decent P5 school OOC. How long has it been since Baylor played a P5 school OOC?

(12-11-2014 03:41 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  This is one angle I haven't heard mentioned. Did SEC and Pac 12 lobby to get ZSU included b/c they felt TCU and Baylor were better?

Thoialh such a comment would be laughable. However after the big ten successfully lobbied to have the drop Michigan state to improve their bowl selection, I would say such a result could be possible. Now I dont think it's probable either would do it, but I vote it's possjble it could be successful if they did.

(12-15-2014 04:38 PM)TomThumb Wrote:  

(12-15-2014 01:20 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  Right, because the Bama schedule of Florida Atlantic (3 wins), Southern Miss (3 wins) and Western Carolina is a murderers row.

Should I be surprised that you conveniently ignored the Alabama win over West Virginia?

Next year they play Wisconsin.

The year after they play USC.

The last few years they've played Michigan, Penn St., VT, and Clemson.

Every year they seem to schedule a decent P5 school OOC. How long has it been since Baylor played a P5 school OOC?

In his defense, big 12 schools all play nine conference games compared to eight in the SEC. If you add a team in the middle as the "ninth" game, you could add West Virginia of Texas as either of their first "OOC" game, to make a more evsn comparison.

(12-15-2014 02:32 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-15-2014 12:36 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  You take away the first games of the year because most teams aren't playing their best ball.

Who's "you"?

It is called an explanation into how that particular power metric was figured. It really isn't that difficult but if you need me to come up with whom else likely came to that conclusion? The Committee. My evidence? The teams that made the Final Four. Specifically, I am talking about Ohio State.

(12-15-2014 06:51 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-15-2014 02:32 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-15-2014 12:36 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  You take away the first games of the year because most teams aren't playing their best ball.

Who's "you"?

It is called an explanation into how that particular power metric was figured. It really isn't that difficult but if you need me to come up with whom else likely came to that conclusion? The Committee. My evidence? The teams that made the Final Four. Specifically, I am talking about Ohio State.

Ohio State is a name program. Neither TCU nor Baylor can make the same claim. They're very good, and may well be better than Ohio State or any of the other programs in the playoff. But they aren't "name programs", like Ohio State, and given the opportunity the playoff committee went with the name.

Baylor and TCU are on the outside looking in as a result. They have the resume, but not the name.

(12-15-2014 07:16 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(12-15-2014 06:51 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-15-2014 02:32 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-15-2014 12:36 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  You take away the first games of the year because most teams aren't playing their best ball.

Who's "you"?

It is called an explanation into how that particular power metric was figured. It really isn't that difficult but if you need me to come up with whom else likely came to that conclusion? The Committee. My evidence? The teams that made the Final Four. Specifically, I am talking about Ohio State.

Ohio State is a name program. Neither TCU nor Baylor can make the same claim. They're very good, and may well be better than Ohio State or any of the other programs in the playoff. But they aren't "name programs", like Ohio State, and given the opportunity the playoff committee went with the name.

Baylor and TCU are on the outside looking in as a result. They have the resume, but not the name.

An easy excuse to be made. A proper Big 12 declaration of one team being champion over the other would have made the Ohio State decision much more difficult.

There are plenty of metrics that show Baylor and TCU really didn't have all that much stronger of a resume than Ohio State did. Such metrics were stated numerous times soon after Ohio State was chosen in order to show that they deserved it just as much.

Personally, I don't care either way. Either way was going to be a scandal and that is all I truly cared about.

The Big 12 should have been honorable with it's explanations. If you can choose a Bowl representative due to head to head then you can choose your conference championship. To defend the words of Bowlsby is to defend a lie and thus to become a liar.

(12-15-2014 07:48 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-15-2014 07:16 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(12-15-2014 06:51 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-15-2014 02:32 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-15-2014 12:36 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  You take away the first games of the year because most teams aren't playing their best ball.

Who's "you"?

It is called an explanation into how that particular power metric was figured. It really isn't that difficult but if you need me to come up with whom else likely came to that conclusion? The Committee. My evidence? The teams that made the Final Four. Specifically, I am talking about Ohio State.

Ohio State is a name program. Neither TCU nor Baylor can make the same claim. They're very good, and may well be better than Ohio State or any of the other programs in the playoff. But they aren't "name programs", like Ohio State, and given the opportunity the playoff committee went with the name.

Baylor and TCU are on the outside looking in as a result. They have the resume, but not the name.

An easy excuse to be made. A proper Big 12 declaration of one team being champion over the other would have made the Ohio State decision much more difficult.

There are plenty of metrics that show Baylor and TCU really didn't have all that much stronger of a resume than Ohio State did. Such metrics were stated numerous times soon after Ohio State was chosen in order to show that they deserved it just as much.

Personally, I don't care either way. Either way was going to be a scandal and that is all I truly cared about.

The Big 12 should have been honorable with it's explanations. If you can choose a Bowl representative due to head to head then you can choose your conference championship. To defend the words of Bowlsby is to defend a lie and thus to become a liar.

IMO Baylor is the XII Champion. They beat TCU on the field, which is the one true method to determine such things. But the conference decided to ignore that, since it looked like TCU was the favored team in the race for the playoff. It was a bad move, since it backfired.