One thing I heard from Coach Montgomery will create a possible problem for a player or two at TU imo. He stated that we are going to throw the ball "downfield". Now I don't know specifically how that should be interpreted, but from looking at Baylor and his statement, I think Dane may not be "THE MAN". My reasoning is that from what I've seen, he doesn't throw the deep ball very well - with a lot of velocity on it. If we are going to throw a lot of deep balls, then the QB has to be able to throw the ball to a receiver that doesn't have to slow down and wait to catch the deep ball. However that might be remedied if DE's drills can create a more front foot throw. He'll have to step into his throws which he only does occasionally.

Now I'm not talking about a 30 yard pass as deep. Its the pass that sails 40+ in the air. From what I took from PM's comments was that we would test the deep safeties and do it on a continuing basis and when they back up too far on the snap, throw underneath them.

So, I'm not sure if DE's is going to be the player under center. He has a very accurate short game, but a very suspect long game.

IMO

I also heard Coach Montgomery say he adjusts his game plan to available personnel. I think we'll be alright whether it's Dane or someone else @ QB. I'm really looking forward to spring football !

Heck, I would be happy with anything over 8 yards. Montgomery will have plays that take advantage of one on one deep coverage. I too am looking forward to Spring practice!!

I would get out of a sick bed to attend that spring game this year. I'll see you all there.

I think the "deep throw" comment was my take on his basic passing/offensive philosophy. IMO its just the opposite of BB. Bill was looking to control the ball and time of posession imo. I don't think PM will care about that "control" whatsoever. I think PM is looking for a homerun, not a single. If a QB is taught to read the short receiver too long or perhaps most of the time, he tends to get "short sighted" so to speak and thats what you get on a continuing basis. But if you are pre-reading those safeties and your first preread is to challenge them deep, you need a QB that can throw the ball over the top with enough velocity to get it there in the shortest amount of time or its going to get picked.

Now all I'm going on is my take on his comments, but my perception is that he doesn't want to take the "long ball" out of the arsenal and will look for a QB that has an arm that will "motor" that ball down the field at the drop of a hat.

Of course, I could be wrong about that, but arm strength is what I think the seperation point is between a very good and accruate short thrower and a pro prospect. PM has coached a number of great college QBs who went to the NFL including a Heisman winner. So I think thats the kind of QB he wants on the field. Will that be what he has initially? Not sure about that, but I bet we'll see one at some point in the coming years.

Go TU!


IMO

Montgomery is a QB guru so if anyone can coach Dane of the his worst habits it should be him. Actually Dane isn't that bad of a thrower he just has some bad habits he was never broke out of. During the last part of the season the Offense came around a bit but BB's offensive plan was so bad it never helped much. The real black spot for this team has to be the defense, they were just horrible all season.

(12-15-2014 03:49 PM)rabidTU2 Wrote:  One thing I heard from Coach Montgomery will create a possible problem for a player or two at TU imo. He stated that we are going to throw the ball "downfield". Now I don't know specifically how that should be interpreted, but from looking at Baylor and his statement, I think Dane may not be "THE MAN". My reasoning is that from what I've seen, he doesn't throw the deep ball very well - with a lot of velocity on it. If we are going to throw a lot of deep balls, then the QB has to be able to throw the ball to a receiver that doesn't have to slow down and wait to catch the deep ball. However that might be remedied if DE's drills can create a more front foot throw. He'll have to step into his throws which he only does occasionally.

Now I'm not talking about a 30 yard pass as deep. Its the pass that sails 40+ in the air. From what I took from PM's comments was that we would test the deep safeties and do it on a continuing basis and when they back up too far on the snap, throw underneath them.

So, I'm not sure if DE's is going to be the player under center. He has a very accurate short game, but a very suspect long game.

IMO

Montgomery will look for a QB that is accurate, has an arm and is intelligent in his reads. Not impossible to find that but is difficult to get. Still he should have QB's lining up to get his attention.

Tulsa Eye - You certainly could be correct and me completely wrong on what PM wants to occur.

I think one of the quotes I disliked about BB the most was his statement that all he wanted in a QB was to manage the games rather than win them. I think that will be the difference between BB and PM. I think PM is looking for all his skill players to "win" the game as athletes. IMO that'll be the biggest hurdle for DE to leap over.

If we look at the history of QB's at TU under BB, that statement about "managing the game" ended up being his downfall.
A little history ---- He inherited GJ from Chad Morris's instruction, installed himself as QB coach and there was a "backslide" year from GJ as conference POY to a QB scrambling for his life even though the team was still decent overall. Then the next year as QB coach, BB made Cody the starting QB in spring ball wo so much as a QB competition for the job. CG was "inconsistant at best. Our defense saved the day for TU and even though people could see the problem, noone was ready to call it that.

Then as CG was a senior and the pick sixes kept occurring, BB (in spite of that stubborn streak) made a QB change to DE. The thing that alerted me at the time was - if DE was better than CG, then why didn't he start in the first place? Was BB saying that DE was better than his handpicked QB, CG? The offense, was by that time a mess and BB began firing wide receiver coaches as a means to correct the situation. But again, who was the responsible party, the WR coach or the QB coach? Then BB hired his son, JB as the answer to the QB problems at TU. Well, thats the history of the mess and whether DE was the answer to the offense, who knows? But I know one thing, the offense at TU will be completely different now and will require a different set of skills and perhaps different personel. And IMO I think a new coach coming in will have blinders on when judging each and every QB on campus. Noone should have the easy road to the QB job as CG did. And if none of them can do the job, I think we may even see a HS kid fresh from Texas behind center. As long as they can preform at a high rate, can throw the long AND short ball and isn't afraid to run as a final option if its open, then IMO PM will be a success.

IMO

If we don't have a QB here that can run Monty's offense, I'll bet you there will be a number of high school QB's that will want to be trained by Monty....I don't think QB will be a problem in the future(a couple of years from now)!!!

(12-21-2014 02:21 PM)jfisher Wrote:  If we don't have a QB here that can run Monty's offense, I'll bet you there will be a number of high school QB's that will want to be trained by Monty....I don't think QB will be a problem in the future(a couple of years from now)!!!

Bingo!

(12-21-2014 11:08 AM)rabidTU2 Wrote:  Tulsa Eye - You certainly could be correct and me completely wrong on what PM wants to occur.

I think one of the quotes I disliked about BB the most was his statement that all he wanted in a QB was to manage the games rather than win them. I think that will be the difference between BB and PM. I think PM is looking for all his skill players to "win" the game as athletes. IMO that'll be the biggest hurdle for DE to leap over.

If we look at the history of QB's at TU under BB, that statement about "managing the game" ended up being his downfall.
A little history ---- He inherited GJ from Chad Morris's instruction, installed himself as QB coach and there was a "backslide" year from GJ as conference POY to a QB scrambling for his life even though the team was still decent overall. Then the next year as QB coach, BB made Cody the starting QB in spring ball wo so much as a QB competition for the job. CG was "inconsistant at best. Our defense saved the day for TU and even though people could see the problem, noone was ready to call it that.

Then as CG was a senior and the pick sixes kept occurring, BB (in spite of that stubborn streak) made a QB change to DE. The thing that alerted me at the time was - if DE was better than CG, then why didn't he start in the first place? Was BB saying that DE was better than his handpicked QB, CG? The offense, was by that time a mess and BB began firing wide receiver coaches as a means to correct the situation. But again, who was the responsible party, the WR coach or the QB coach? Then BB hired his son, JB as the answer to the QB problems at TU. Well, thats the history of the mess and whether DE was the answer to the offense, who knows? But I know one thing, the offense at TU will be completely different now and will require a different set of skills and perhaps different personel. And IMO I think a new coach coming in will have blinders on when judging each and every QB on campus. Noone should have the easy road to the QB job as CG did. And if none of them can do the job, I think we may even see a HS kid fresh from Texas behind center. As long as they can preform at a high rate, can throw the long AND short ball and isn't afraid to run as a final option if its open, then IMO PM will be a success.

IMO

As you said you at QB you can manage the game or win game athletically. I would rather win the game athletically than just manage a game. Also feel that was one of the big things that was BB's downfall. You can be a average to poor game manager and still win a game athletically. Esp if your team mates around you are just as much an athlete as the QB. Pres is first and foremost an athlete. Everything else is gravy.

4 star QB right off the bat.....not a bad start at all. Now some WR's will be a little more interested in playing at Tulsa. Then the offense will be back. Things are looking brighter already!!!! You couldn't ask for a better start than this!!!!

The good part is that with the right QB, we should have a very good offense. Our receivers are already as good a group as anyone in the AAC imo. So they should transition well. Garrett will be a senior, Lucas a junior and Atkinson also a junior. We even have a nice skill set of TE's to block a fast run game. The line has a lot of returning kids who were pretty good at times. We just need to speed them up and run an offense that uses their talent wisely. I think we have adequate runners in Dickerson, Flanders and Langer, but need that gifted running threat at QB to complement them. IMO the RBs yards were compromised a little by Dane just handing the ball off on the option and never keeping on the play.

Now I'm not counting Dane out if he will be adaptable to the new system and able to run with enough success to keep the defenders honest. The one overriding thing I see in the bowl games is that every successful QB "CAN" run with success. But I think Dane doesn't because he's a skilled short thrower, but isn't an athletically gifted kid. Its not his fault, its just in the genes.

I think a coach like PM is going to take a really good athlete and hone his pass skills to the point that the offense will almost move itself against average teams and then against good teams, the QB and his athletic ability becomes the difference.

IMO

(12-27-2014 06:38 PM)rabidTU2 Wrote:  The good part is that with the right QB, we should have a very good offense. Our receivers are already as good a group as anyone in the AAC imo. So they should transition well. Garrett will be a senior, Lucas a junior and Atkinson also a junior. We even have a nice skill set of TE's to block a fast run game. The line has a lot of returning kids who were pretty good at times. We just need to speed them up and run an offense that uses their talent wisely. I think we have adequate runners in Dickerson, Flanders and Langer, but need that gifted running threat at QB to complement them. IMO the RBs yards were compromised a little by Dane just handing the ball off on the option and never keeping on the play.

Now I'm not counting Dane out if he will be adaptable to the new system and able to run with enough success to keep the defenders honest. The one overriding thing I see in the bowl games is that every successful QB "CAN" run with success. But I think Dane doesn't because he's a skilled short thrower, but isn't an athletically gifted kid. Its not his fault, its just in the genes.

I think a coach like PM is going to take a really good athlete and hone his pass skills to the point that the offense will almost move itself against average teams and then against good teams, the QB and his athletic ability becomes the difference.

IMO

I think you have hit the nail right on the head with your entire post.

(12-27-2014 06:38 PM)rabidTU2 Wrote:  The good part is that with the right QB, we should have a very good offense. Our receivers are already as good a group as anyone in the AAC imo. So they should transition well. Garrett will be a senior, Lucas a junior and Atkinson also a junior. We even have a nice skill set of TE's to block a fast run game. The line has a lot of returning kids who were pretty good at times. We just need to speed them up and run an offense that uses their talent wisely. I think we have adequate runners in Dickerson, Flanders and Langer, but need that gifted running threat at QB to complement them. IMO the RBs yards were compromised a little by Dane just handing the ball off on the option and never keeping on the play.

Now I'm not counting Dane out if he will be adaptable to the new system and able to run with enough success to keep the defenders honest. The one overriding thing I see in the bowl games is that every successful QB "CAN" run with success. But I think Dane doesn't because he's a skilled short thrower, but isn't an athletically gifted kid. Its not his fault, its just in the genes.

I think a coach like PM is going to take a really good athlete and hone his pass skills to the point that the offense will almost move itself against average teams and then against good teams, the QB and his athletic ability becomes the difference.

IMO

I expect all the QB's will compete on an equal basis and the best will start. If it turns out that someone other than Dane wins the starting spot. Then Montgomery will build the offense around that QB. Which is the way it should be. I just had a thought Pres will probably have a pretty good advantage after all because he has been running a close copy of Baylor's offense in HS so he is probably the front runner after all and the others will be playing catch up. Esp since Blankenship didn't run an offense even close to Baylor's.

Sorry about bumping this thread, but I wanted to refresh the discussion a bit about what PM wants to see in his QBs. PM stated yesterday when pressed on who the starting QB will be, said the competition wasn't over and he was still looking at all the QB's. So I still believe he views Dane's liablilities as possible deal breakers - (1) his lack of running ability/desire to run and (2) throwing the accurate deep ball. If Dane can't do that, then PM "may" look for someone else to work with who can fit the needs of the offense. After all, ability is ability.

PM has stated that the QB derby isn't over by any means and that statement may mean (to the objective observer) that he isn't satisfied with the QB position or that the QB can't do the job of running his offense.

I think this goes back to what BB said the last few years about what he wanted out of the QB position - "someone to manage the offense". I just don't think PM wants a manager - he wants a QB who can step up and win the games with his arm.

But of course, I could just be reading something into his (PM) comments that aren't necessarily true, pertinent or accruate. It will be interesting to find out what happens at this position and whether my fears are warranted or not.

GO TU!

I think Montomery not saying who will be the QB early on because he wants the top QB's to bring it everyday in practice. If he lets out early who it will be then the QB's behind the 1st pick will just lay back a bit and not try as hard everyday. That's a formula for disaster. Picking early is something BB would have done.

You are probably right and a reason some were a bit concerned when BB "picked" his QB in the spring a few years back after CG had transferred here. A QB should always have the others snapping at his backside. Complacency is a detriment. IMO

Coach Montgomery gave Dane a pretty glowing report after the scrimmage.....work still needs to be done but the Coach seemed pretty happy. If Dane doesn't scramble when he needs to......I don't think the Coach will be too happy!!!

Bingo on the scrambling. It may be the only question mark now ------- hopefully. I'd love to see DE run for a hundred yards some game in the future. He'll never be Steve Gage, but he needs to be a little bit more like GJ Kinne to make the offense reach its potential. Those great receivers would be "more opener" if he'd threaten with his feet.