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RE: Flames and C-USA?
(03-29-2015 01:54 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  Hopefully they will want to go to 16 and choose us over JMU.

and maybe the BI6 will expand to 40 teams and take us 04-drinky
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(03-30-2015 08:05 AM)PAmedic Wrote:  
(03-29-2015 01:54 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  Hopefully they will want to go to 16 and choose us over JMU.

and maybe the BI6 will expand to 40 teams and take us 04-drinky

I am likely in the minority but I would love for us to find our final home in the Big Ten. They are so academically above the SEC that it would help raise our profile by being associated with them. I understand how unlikely a chance it is but one can dream.
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RE: Flames and C-USA?
(03-29-2015 01:54 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  Unfortunately not. Hopefully they will want to go to 16 and choose us over JMU.

Cusa would not pick liberty over jmu, liberty is the safety school for cusa. That being said if jmu joins and say marshall leaves for the american conference, liberty becomes a ready to go replacement for cusa east. On the other hand if jmu doesnt want to go fbs, cusa can just pick up the phone dial mr. Falwell at home on the weekend or holiday and have a press conference within 24 hours.
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RE: Flames and C-USA?
(04-01-2015 08:07 AM)voss749 Wrote:  
(03-29-2015 01:54 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  Unfortunately not. Hopefully they will want to go to 16 and choose us over JMU.

Cusa would not pick liberty over jmu, liberty is the safety school for cusa. That being said if jmu joins and say marshall leaves for the american conference, liberty becomes a ready to go replacement for cusa east. On the other hand if jmu doesnt want to go fbs, cusa can just pick up the phone dial mr. Falwell at home on the weekend or holiday and have a press conference within 24 hours.
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(04-01-2015 08:07 AM)voss749 Wrote:  
(03-29-2015 01:54 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  Unfortunately not. Hopefully they will want to go to 16 and choose us over JMU.

Cusa would not pick liberty over jmu, liberty is the safety school for cusa. That being said if jmu joins and say marshall leaves for the american conference, liberty becomes a ready to go replacement for cusa east. On the other hand if jmu doesnt want to go fbs, cusa can just pick up the phone dial mr. Falwell at home on the weekend or holiday and have a press conference within 24 hours.

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Flames and C-USA?
If JMU goes ahead and accepts a Sun Belt invite does that raise our value for C-USA? 1) I am not convinced C-USA will replace UAB after they depart. 2) I feel strongly C-USA would dip into the SBC to take one of their more competitive teams or another major market.
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RE: Flames and C-USA?
If JMU accepted a Sun Belt invitation, I don't think we'd be more attractive to C-USA. I think JMU would be more attractive after their transition period was over and they were full FBS since they wouldn't have the stigma of being FCS and they'd be fully transitioned. That would be very undesirable for us.
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(04-14-2015 07:21 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  If JMU accepted a Sun Belt invitation, I don't think we'd be more attractive to C-USA. I think JMU would be more attractive after their transition period was over and they were full FBS since they wouldn't have the stigma of being FCS and they'd be fully transitioned. That would be very undesirable for us.
There are so many moving parts and possibilities with C-USA it's difficult to speak in absolutes. Scenarios for C-USA include:
- if JMU joins SBC, does Liberty get C-USA invite
- if U-AB, gets booted from C-USA, and JMU joins SBC, does Liberty figure there?
- if U-AB, gets raided and loses a team(s), and JMU is with the SBC, is Liberty in the C-USA mix?
- if U-AB goes to 16, and if there's an east/west alignment for C-USA, does Liberty figure into that?
- if C-USA takes one of the tops SBC team(s), and JMU is with the SBC, is that a Liberty opening
- add in C-USA loses any team(s) to B1G or AAC, and JMU is SBC, another Liberty opening.

So, it seems if JMU does join the SBC that would actually add more, later options for LU. Granted it 143 days before football season begins, and we all amuse ourselves with armchair procrastination, but any of these possibilities, even though remote to happen, did occur, it would open a door for Liberty.
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RE: Flames and C-USA?
1) if JMU joins SBC, does Liberty get C-USA invite

No, JMU would likely stay at FCS before joining sun belt. If JMU gets invited to cusa and declines the invite THERE is libertys opening

2) if U-AB, gets booted from C-USA, and JMU joins SBC, does Liberty figure there?
JMU is not going to the sun belt. If CUSA invites JMU and JMU accepts then liberty is stuck out of luck.


3) if sun belt(or cusa), gets raided and loses a team(s), and JMU is with the SBC, is Liberty in the C-USA mix?

If CUSA loses marshall and JMU and old dominion is part of the CUSA, then liberty becomes an easy travel partner for both schools and an easy fill for the east division.

4) if CUSA goes to 16, and if there's an east/west alignment for C-USA, does Liberty figure into that?

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5) if C-USA takes one of the tops SBC team(s), and JMU is with the SBC, is that a Liberty opening

JMU is not going to sun belt JMU would go MAC before they would go sunbelt and thats not saying much about the MAC...just that mid america has better academics than the sun belt.

Libertys two best bets

1) JMU passes on joining cusa, ODU wants liberty
2) JMU joins CUSA and CUSA loses marshall to the american conference , JMU and ODU want liberty
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RE: Flames and C-USA?
(04-15-2015 03:09 PM)voss749 Wrote:  1) if JMU joins SBC, does Liberty get C-USA invite

No, JMU would likely stay at FCS before joining sun belt. If JMU gets invited to cusa and declines the invite THERE is libertys opening

2) if U-AB, gets booted from C-USA, and JMU joins SBC, does Liberty figure there?
JMU is not going to the sun belt. If CUSA invites JMU and JMU accepts then liberty is stuck out of luck.


3) if sun belt(or cusa), gets raided and loses a team(s), and JMU is with the SBC, is Liberty in the C-USA mix?

If CUSA loses marshall and JMU and old dominion is part of the CUSA, then liberty becomes an easy travel partner for both schools and an easy fill for the east division.

4) if CUSA goes to 16, and if there's an east/west alignment for C-USA, does Liberty figure into that?

EAST


5) if C-USA takes one of the tops SBC team(s), and JMU is with the SBC, is that a Liberty opening

JMU is not going to sun belt JMU would go MAC before they would go sunbelt and thats not saying much about the MAC...just that mid america has better academics than the sun belt.

Libertys two best bets

1) JMU passes on joining cusa, ODU wants liberty
2) JMU joins CUSA and CUSA loses marshall to the american conference , JMU and ODU want liberty
All valid "what ifs". There is lots of push for JMU to the SBC though. If their past position was to snub the SBC, that seems to have changed. They likely would be very receptive to join now.
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RE: Flames and C-USA?
I agree for the most part with voss749, that JMU will not join the SBC period. Of course, that's my opinion, but I think it's fairly obvious assumptions (despite what assume really means). JMU will wait for CUSA, the MAC, the AAC, or possibly a future yet-to-be-formed conference. I don't believe that anything has changed in the SBC or from the General Assembly that has changed their administrations view of their situation.

I do believe that JMU is probably ahead of us slightly for the CUSA and that ODU would support either or both us for the CUSA. But if they had to choose, they'd probably pick JMU first due to the history and both of them being state schools.

But who knows, the FCOA move by LU, may have propelled us closer to the front of the line and it is possible, that it motivates JMU to reconsider the SBC just due to their rivalry or attitude with/toward us (remember how they outbid us to host last fall). However, I think this is very unlikely.
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RE: Flames and C-USA?
Lots of LU discussion on the ODU board about Liberty as the 4th FBS school in VA. An acknowledgement to the posters there for good discussion. Much higher quality posts with fewer anti LU haters than on the SBC. It's likely because ODU has played LU in the past in FB and within the week in baseball, and they know more about Liberty. There are detractors there, but the conversation is much more civil and valid than the typical hi-jack thread actions by the SBC extremists.
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I like and respect the ODU crowd for the most part. I guess that is why I find it hard to be a strong rival with them.
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Im not sure so much that people are more civil I think its a view that a) The conference situation is different now,
ODU in c-usa is the best hope liberty could have especially if JMU cant deal with the $$$ needed for FBS which is the main obstacle to them, thats the one area liberty has a clear advantage.

b) Liberty U is different now Falwell jr is much more committed to improving academics and depolarizing the school.
Liberty not known for its civil rights platforms having one of the few african-american fbs football coaches is an eye opener
and in fact liberty has a higher black enrollment than a number of its public university counterparts already in fbs.
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Civil rights really has never been an issue in our FBS discussions. A couple of folks using 50- to 60-year-old quotes long since renounced and repented by our founder really never had a substantial influence. A quick trip to our campus shows that racial diversity is not an issue at all.

Our big issues remain outdated stereotypes about our science curriculum, misunderstandings of our positions on social issues and our perceived diploma mill status in spite of obvious evidence otherwise. Then you factor in the envy of our business model for online education that nearly every school in America is trying to copy and you can understand the lack of public support we are receiving from schools.

I honestly believe that if push came to shove and our name was nominated at the Sun Belt meetings, we would be able to get the votes to be in. But everyone in that league fears being considered our promoter. I get the sense that the CUSA presidents are taking a more business-like approach.
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Sly, I was actually complimenting liberty. Liberty university has a black enrollment percentage 50% higher than University of Alabama. CUSA is concerned about $$$, program stability and its existing programs having travel partners. Sun belt is much more concerned about public image and athletic competitiveness as the tail end of fbs.
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(04-16-2015 08:09 AM)SlyFox Wrote:  Civil rights really has never been an issue in our FBS discussions. A couple of folks using 50- to 60-year-old quotes long since renounced and repented by our founder really never had a substantial influence. A quick trip to our campus shows that racial diversity is not an issue at all.

Our big issues remain outdated stereotypes about our science curriculum, misunderstandings of our positions on social issues and our perceived diploma mill status in spite of obvious evidence otherwise. Then you factor in the envy of our business model for online education that nearly every school in America is trying to copy and you can understand the lack of public support we are receiving from schools.

I honestly believe that if push came to shove and our name was nominated at the Sun Belt meetings, we would be able to get the votes to be in. But everyone in that league fears being considered our promoter. I get the sense that the CUSA presidents are taking a more business-like approach.
I believe you are right and I agree on all accounts. One addition, the financial strength of LU, which many SBC posters like to discredit due to the success of online, is likely the "fear" many of them feel but will not express. They "fear" that the focus of the admin with the financial and physical resources would have LU at the forefront of the SBC, which many cannot fathom. It's an unspoken, unsaid perception that is an undercurrent but true.

It seems clear that if no invite from SBC (unlikely), MAC (possible but unlikely), or C-USA (possible and what seems to be the most progressive conference), would lead to an indy quest by LU. We all know the current reasons why we cannot do it. We all know the issues that have stated again and again of how it cannot work as explained many times. But out of the box thinking allows for a restructure of existing rules.
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(04-16-2015 08:09 AM)SlyFox Wrote:  Civil rights really has never been an issue in our FBS discussions. A couple of folks using 50- to 60-year-old quotes long since renounced and repented by our founder really never had a substantial influence. A quick trip to our campus shows that racial diversity is not an issue at all.

Our big issues remain outdated stereotypes about our science curriculum, misunderstandings of our positions on social issues and our perceived diploma mill status in spite of obvious evidence otherwise. Then you factor in the envy of our business model for online education that nearly every school in America is trying to copy and you can understand the lack of public support we are receiving from schools.

I honestly believe that if push came to shove and our name was nominated at the Sun Belt meetings, we would be able to get the votes to be in. But everyone in that league fears being considered our promoter. I get the sense that the CUSA presidents are taking a more business-like approach.
When I said civil, I was intending it to be referenced in the discussions on the CUSA board are more civil than on the SBC board. The reference was in discussions being civil rather than civil rights.
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I was affirming voss749's post. And I agree with his/her follow-up as well.
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