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RE: ACC expansion?
(01-08-2015 09:40 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  Order of Preference:
1) Penn State
2) West Virginia
3) Notre Dame
4) UConn (I'm a basketball fan too)
5) Cincinnati
6) Temple (Philly guy)

Of the SEC schools disregarding whether they would actually move:
1) Florida
2) Georgia
3) Tennessee

Probably wouldn't want anyone else from the SEC.

Most likely:
Probably Cincinnati. Of the P5 schools, West Virginia is the one that would want in the most.

Turbo no to UCONN.

Florida would likely face strong opposition from Miami and FSU. UGAg would face strong opposition from GT, FSU, and Clemson.
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The only SEC school that would move to a different P5 conference is uk imho. They are a basketball school in a football conference. Kansas is the same in the Big 12. Put either of those teams in the ACC or B1G and their fan base would go nuts with joy. I guess a case could be made for Vanderbilt joining the ACC or B1g.
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RE: ACC expansion?
(01-08-2015 10:16 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(01-08-2015 09:40 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  Order of Preference:
1) Penn State
2) West Virginia
3) Notre Dame
4) UConn (I'm a basketball fan too)
5) Cincinnati
6) Temple (Philly guy)

Of the SEC schools disregarding whether they would actually move:
1) Florida
2) Georgia
3) Tennessee

Probably wouldn't want anyone else from the SEC.

Most likely:
Probably Cincinnati. Of the P5 schools, West Virginia is the one that would want in the most.

Turbo no to UCONN.

Florida would likely face strong opposition from Miami and FSU. UGAg would face strong opposition from GT, FSU, and Clemson.

Why would FSU care if UF or UGA joined the ACC? Is there some huge benefit to ACC membership that FSU lords over those other two? Am I missing something?

Honestly, playing UGA more often would be great for FSU and its alumni. And facing UF in-conference would free up OOC slots as well, and strengthen our conference schedule.
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RE: ACC expansion?
(01-08-2015 10:16 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(01-08-2015 09:40 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  Order of Preference:
1) Penn State
2) West Virginia
3) Notre Dame
4) UConn (I'm a basketball fan too)
5) Cincinnati
6) Temple (Philly guy)

Of the SEC schools disregarding whether they would actually move:
1) Florida
2) Georgia
3) Tennessee

Probably wouldn't want anyone else from the SEC.

Most likely:
Probably Cincinnati. Of the P5 schools, West Virginia is the one that would want in the most.

Turbo no to UCONN.

Florida would likely face strong opposition from Miami and FSU. UGAg would face strong opposition from GT, FSU, and Clemson.

Why would GT be opposed? I think Pitt and GT are in similar situations and I'm pretty sure the Pitt administration would be thrilled to have PSU join the ACC.
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(01-08-2015 11:15 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  
(01-08-2015 10:16 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(01-08-2015 09:40 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  Order of Preference:
1) Penn State
2) West Virginia
3) Notre Dame
4) UConn (I'm a basketball fan too)
5) Cincinnati
6) Temple (Philly guy)

Of the SEC schools disregarding whether they would actually move:
1) Florida
2) Georgia
3) Tennessee

Probably wouldn't want anyone else from the SEC.

Most likely:
Probably Cincinnati. Of the P5 schools, West Virginia is the one that would want in the most.

Turbo no to UCONN.

Florida would likely face strong opposition from Miami and FSU. UGAg would face strong opposition from GT, FSU, and Clemson.

Why would GT be opposed? I think Pitt and GT are in similar situations and I'm pretty sure the Pitt administration would be thrilled to have PSU join the ACC.

UGAg fans. We're already at a tremendous academic disadvantage. They have the GABOR in their back pocket. I don't think GT is willing to hand over long term financial advantage as well.
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(01-08-2015 10:17 PM)Dasville Wrote:  The only SEC school that would move to a different P5 conference is uk imho. They are a basketball school in a football conference. Kansas is the same in the Big 12. Put either of those teams in the ACC or B1G and their fan base would go nuts with joy. I guess a case could be made for Vanderbilt joining the ACC or B1g.

Knowing Kentucky fans like I do, That would be a Dagger in their heart. They love the SEC SEC chant as much as GO BIG BLUE. Why trade in a Sure conference Championship Every year for real competition Every Year ? and They get a big slice of the SEC money pie for being a Sacrificial Lamb in Football.

again the best chance for #15 is WVU, Cincinnati with Maybe Texas as an Outsider ND style addition.
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(01-08-2015 06:32 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  As long as MD was in the ACC, West Virginia had no chance in hell. With MD gone, their existential blackball vote against MD is gone. Va's is still in place. If the no's can be kept to Va, Duke, and GT, West Va would have a shot, but I really think they are more likely to be an 18th, rather than a 16th school and going to 18 while unlikely, assumes the break-up of the B-12. With a broken B-12 you end up with West Va., if perhaps Texas joins like ND, but brings along a partner like TCU on a full basis. If Texas is in, then TCU becomes the most palatable Texas based school to add with Texas as TT and Baylor present issues.

As for the Tennessee v. Auburn issue - it's not close, Tennessee would add a great deal more to the ACC than Auburn. Auburn's media footprint already overlaps GT's, Georgia's, and Bama's - essentially you are looking at adding a market in Nashville, Memphis, and Knoxville, vs. adding markets in Birmingham, Mobile, and Montgomery. Western NC, west of Asheville is already UT territory more than it is UNC or NC State.

If WV still has any emphatic no votes, then I say don't rock the boat and drive them into the arms of the B1G. Uconn has a few emphatic no votes too so put them in the same bucket. Invite the one that everyone can live with - Cincinnati. Not a barn burner but expansion will be a winner if paired with ND. Conference solidarity is important. Then again, maybe the WVU no votes would be reversed if they were paired with ND. All this is conjecture anyway.
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RE: ACC expansion?
(01-09-2015 01:04 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(01-08-2015 11:15 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  
(01-08-2015 10:16 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(01-08-2015 09:40 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  Order of Preference:
1) Penn State
2) West Virginia
3) Notre Dame
4) UConn (I'm a basketball fan too)
5) Cincinnati
6) Temple (Philly guy)

Of the SEC schools disregarding whether they would actually move:
1) Florida
2) Georgia
3) Tennessee

Probably wouldn't want anyone else from the SEC.

Most likely:
Probably Cincinnati. Of the P5 schools, West Virginia is the one that would want in the most.

Turbo no to UCONN.

Florida would likely face strong opposition from Miami and FSU. UGAg would face strong opposition from GT, FSU, and Clemson.

Why would GT be opposed? I think Pitt and GT are in similar situations and I'm pretty sure the Pitt administration would be thrilled to have PSU join the ACC.

UGAg fans. We're already at a tremendous academic disadvantage. They have the GABOR in their back pocket. I don't think GT is willing to hand over long term financial advantage as well.

What financial advantage are you talking about?
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My point in Cincinnati and WVU is Both offer Pretty decent programs in Multiple Sports. Great Football with WVU, Really Good Basketball and Baseball not too shabby. Cincinnati has Good Football and maybe not quite this year but usually great basketball. Both tie into a region that works well, Both North and South. Both create strong Rivalries and offer up great TV match ups that When an ACC Channel is offered it would have enough content to be watched daily by thousands of households. Really the best 2 combo out there for realistic expansion !
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RE: ACC expansion?
(01-09-2015 07:04 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  
(01-08-2015 06:32 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  As long as MD was in the ACC, West Virginia had no chance in hell. With MD gone, their existential blackball vote against MD is gone. Va's is still in place. If the no's can be kept to Va, Duke, and GT, West Va would have a shot, but I really think they are more likely to be an 18th, rather than a 16th school and going to 18 while unlikely, assumes the break-up of the B-12. With a broken B-12 you end up with West Va., if perhaps Texas joins like ND, but brings along a partner like TCU on a full basis. If Texas is in, then TCU becomes the most palatable Texas based school to add with Texas as TT and Baylor present issues.

As for the Tennessee v. Auburn issue - it's not close, Tennessee would add a great deal more to the ACC than Auburn. Auburn's media footprint already overlaps GT's, Georgia's, and Bama's - essentially you are looking at adding a market in Nashville, Memphis, and Knoxville, vs. adding markets in Birmingham, Mobile, and Montgomery. Western NC, west of Asheville is already UT territory more than it is UNC or NC State.

If WV still has any emphatic no votes, then I say don't rock the boat and drive them into the arms of the B1G. Uconn has a few emphatic no votes too so put them in the same bucket. Invite the one that everyone can live with - Cincinnati. Not a barn burner but expansion will be a winner if paired with ND. Conference solidarity is important. Then again, maybe the WVU no votes would be reversed if they were paired with ND. All this is conjecture anyway.

I wont go as far as saying that WV will never be in the BIG, but I will say that there are about 40 schools east of the Mississippi, including all 15 Acc schools, 14 SEC schools, 8 Ivy League Schools and some AAC schools who would get an invite first.
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RE: ACC expansion?
(01-08-2015 11:15 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(01-08-2015 10:16 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(01-08-2015 09:40 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  Order of Preference:
1) Penn State
2) West Virginia
3) Notre Dame
4) UConn (I'm a basketball fan too)
5) Cincinnati
6) Temple (Philly guy)

Of the SEC schools disregarding whether they would actually move:
1) Florida
2) Georgia
3) Tennessee

Probably wouldn't want anyone else from the SEC.

Most likely:
Probably Cincinnati. Of the P5 schools, West Virginia is the one that would want in the most.

Turbo no to UCONN.

Florida would likely face strong opposition from Miami and FSU. UGAg would face strong opposition from GT, FSU, and Clemson.

Why would FSU care if UF or UGA joined the ACC? Is there some huge benefit to ACC membership that FSU lords over those other two? Am I missing something?

Honestly, playing UGA more often would be great for FSU and its alumni. And facing UF in-conference would free up OOC slots as well, and strengthen our conference schedule.

Absolutely. I would be beyond thrilled if the ACC could convince both Georgia and Florida to jump ship. I don't expect it to happen, but I believe it would put the league on an equal competitive footing with every other P5 conference, as opposed to staying near the bottom of the P5.

It would drop the SEC to 12 teams, where they would likely have Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Kentucky, South Carolina and Vandy in the east, and Ole Miss, Mississippi St, LSU, Arkansas, Texas A&M and Missouri in the west. That's still a great conference, but no longer head and shoulders above everybody else.

And consider the OOC scheduling possibilities if Florida-FSU, UGa-GT and Clemson-UGa become conference games. Alabama and Auburn are in play for the southern ACC teams, guaranteed to fill stadiums and get prime time TV slots. Tennessee would be aching to play Florida as often as possible. South Carolina already has two ACC opponents most years. And I'm sure Notre Dame would be thrilled to have those two schools join the rotation for the five or six games a year they play in the ACC.

Throw in the fact that Florida is also a recent multiple national champion in hoops, and you have a grand slam move. If there is such a thing as "winning realignment", I think we could claim the crown. Where do we sign up?
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RE: ACC expansion?
(01-09-2015 10:11 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(01-09-2015 07:04 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  
(01-08-2015 06:32 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  As long as MD was in the ACC, West Virginia had no chance in hell. With MD gone, their existential blackball vote against MD is gone. Va's is still in place. If the no's can be kept to Va, Duke, and GT, West Va would have a shot, but I really think they are more likely to be an 18th, rather than a 16th school and going to 18 while unlikely, assumes the break-up of the B-12. With a broken B-12 you end up with West Va., if perhaps Texas joins like ND, but brings along a partner like TCU on a full basis. If Texas is in, then TCU becomes the most palatable Texas based school to add with Texas as TT and Baylor present issues.

As for the Tennessee v. Auburn issue - it's not close, Tennessee would add a great deal more to the ACC than Auburn. Auburn's media footprint already overlaps GT's, Georgia's, and Bama's - essentially you are looking at adding a market in Nashville, Memphis, and Knoxville, vs. adding markets in Birmingham, Mobile, and Montgomery. Western NC, west of Asheville is already UT territory more than it is UNC or NC State.

If WV still has any emphatic no votes, then I say don't rock the boat and drive them into the arms of the B1G. Uconn has a few emphatic no votes too so put them in the same bucket. Invite the one that everyone can live with - Cincinnati. Not a barn burner but expansion will be a winner if paired with ND. Conference solidarity is important. Then again, maybe the WVU no votes would be reversed if they were paired with ND. All this is conjecture anyway.

I wont go as far as saying that WV will never be in the BIG, but I will say that there are about 40 schools east of the Mississippi, including all 15 Acc schools, 14 SEC schools, 8 Ivy League Schools and some AAC schools who would get an invite first.

WVa can never get into the B10. Not happening. The old guard ACC bias against WVa is rooted in what WVa did back in the 1950's supporting the bowl ban, and sticking it to MD and Clemson when MD and Clemson didn't want them in the conference to start. WVa remains a hell hole to get into from the rest of the ACC. Getting there in winter makes getting to Blacksburg or Clemson look easy. That's a real issue.

WVa has two logical homes - the SEC and the ACC.

The problem is that WVa has a mission to educate all the kids in the WVa so it's not a competitive admission situation. Academically they are like Appalachian State, Radford, UNC-G, - a solid State institution, but not elite - while there is research, they are there to educate everyone in WVa, whereas everyone else in the ACC has a mission to educate a segment of the elite in their state - be it liberal arts, STEM, graduate education, professional education.

The deal with giving the governor's daughter an unearned Master's degree really set WVa back with UVa and Duke. GT has obvious issues because of the calculus requirement at GT. A WVa invite would probably come with academic strings (although you might make the case UNC needs a few strings).
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(01-09-2015 10:33 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(01-08-2015 11:15 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(01-08-2015 10:16 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(01-08-2015 09:40 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  Order of Preference:
1) Penn State
2) West Virginia
3) Notre Dame
4) UConn (I'm a basketball fan too)
5) Cincinnati
6) Temple (Philly guy)

Of the SEC schools disregarding whether they would actually move:
1) Florida
2) Georgia
3) Tennessee

Probably wouldn't want anyone else from the SEC.

Most likely:
Probably Cincinnati. Of the P5 schools, West Virginia is the one that would want in the most.

Turbo no to UCONN.

Florida would likely face strong opposition from Miami and FSU. UGAg would face strong opposition from GT, FSU, and Clemson.

Why would FSU care if UF or UGA joined the ACC? Is there some huge benefit to ACC membership that FSU lords over those other two? Am I missing something?

Honestly, playing UGA more often would be great for FSU and its alumni. And facing UF in-conference would free up OOC slots as well, and strengthen our conference schedule.

Absolutely. I would be beyond thrilled if the ACC could convince both Georgia and Florida to jump ship. I don't expect it to happen, but I believe it would put the league on an equal competitive footing with every other P5 conference, as opposed to staying near the bottom of the P5.

It would drop the SEC to 12 teams, where they would likely have Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Kentucky, South Carolina and Vandy in the east, and Ole Miss, Mississippi St, LSU, Arkansas, Texas A&M and Missouri in the west. That's still a great conference, but no longer head and shoulders above everybody else.

And consider the OOC scheduling possibilities if Florida-FSU, UGa-GT and Clemson-UGa become conference games. Alabama and Auburn are in play for the southern ACC teams, guaranteed to fill stadiums and get prime time TV slots. Tennessee would be aching to play Florida as often as possible. South Carolina already has two ACC opponents most years. And I'm sure Notre Dame would be thrilled to have those two schools join the rotation for the five or six games a year they play in the ACC.

Throw in the fact that Florida is also a recent multiple national champion in hoops, and you have a grand slam move. If there is such a thing as "winning realignment", I think we could claim the crown. Where do we sign up?

MD kept Florida out of the ACC in the 1970's when Florida's programs stunk. I think that ship has sailed.

What some of you are dancing around is the recreation of the old Southern Conference - Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, GT, Ole Miss, MSU, UNC, NC State, Clemson, Florida, South Carolina, Duke, MD, UVa, Tulane, Sewannee, LSU, Tennessee, Vandy, Kentucky, VT, VMI, and one other I can never remember.

The 1923 SoCon was too large to manage and split along the Appalachian Mountain boundary in 1933.

Today Florida State, Miami, Arkansas, TAMU, Mizzou, WF, PItt, Louisville, Syracuse, BC, and ND have been added to the two conferences.

32-36 teams in divisions of 4, 6, or 8 could be cut out and obviously Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas would make logical additions to a massive Southern Conference.

However, such a large conference would eventually split again.
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(01-09-2015 10:47 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(01-09-2015 10:33 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(01-08-2015 11:15 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(01-08-2015 10:16 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(01-08-2015 09:40 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  Order of Preference:
1) Penn State
2) West Virginia
3) Notre Dame
4) UConn (I'm a basketball fan too)
5) Cincinnati
6) Temple (Philly guy)

Of the SEC schools disregarding whether they would actually move:
1) Florida
2) Georgia
3) Tennessee

Probably wouldn't want anyone else from the SEC.

Most likely:
Probably Cincinnati. Of the P5 schools, West Virginia is the one that would want in the most.

Turbo no to UCONN.

Florida would likely face strong opposition from Miami and FSU. UGAg would face strong opposition from GT, FSU, and Clemson.

Why would FSU care if UF or UGA joined the ACC? Is there some huge benefit to ACC membership that FSU lords over those other two? Am I missing something?

Honestly, playing UGA more often would be great for FSU and its alumni. And facing UF in-conference would free up OOC slots as well, and strengthen our conference schedule.

Absolutely. I would be beyond thrilled if the ACC could convince both Georgia and Florida to jump ship. I don't expect it to happen, but I believe it would put the league on an equal competitive footing with every other P5 conference, as opposed to staying near the bottom of the P5.

It would drop the SEC to 12 teams, where they would likely have Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Kentucky, South Carolina and Vandy in the east, and Ole Miss, Mississippi St, LSU, Arkansas, Texas A&M and Missouri in the west. That's still a great conference, but no longer head and shoulders above everybody else.

And consider the OOC scheduling possibilities if Florida-FSU, UGa-GT and Clemson-UGa become conference games. Alabama and Auburn are in play for the southern ACC teams, guaranteed to fill stadiums and get prime time TV slots. Tennessee would be aching to play Florida as often as possible. South Carolina already has two ACC opponents most years. And I'm sure Notre Dame would be thrilled to have those two schools join the rotation for the five or six games a year they play in the ACC.

Throw in the fact that Florida is also a recent multiple national champion in hoops, and you have a grand slam move. If there is such a thing as "winning realignment", I think we could claim the crown. Where do we sign up?

MD kept Florida out of the ACC in the 1970's when Florida's programs stunk. I think that ship has sailed.

What some of you are dancing around is the recreation of the old Southern Conference - Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, GT, Ole Miss, MSU, UNC, NC State, Clemson, Florida, South Carolina, Duke, MD, UVa, Tulane, Sewannee, LSU, Tennessee, Vandy, Kentucky, VT, VMI, and one other I can never remember.

The 1923 SoCon was too large to manage and split along the Appalachian Mountain boundary in 1933.

Today Florida State, Miami, Arkansas, TAMU, Mizzou, WF, PItt, Louisville, Syracuse, BC, and ND have been added to the two conferences.

32-36 teams in divisions of 4, 6, or 8 could be cut out and obviously Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas would make logical additions to a massive Southern Conference.

However, such a large conference would eventually split again.

Washington & Lee.

I actually saw a student here at the campus library recently wearing a Washington & Lee sweatshirt.
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Really, for my money, there's no need to "logically" re-create the Southern Conference.

In case most of you have failed to see it, ESPN has been doing the dirty work for us, in creating media entities representing both leagues under their umbrella.

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The school that would create more tsunamis than you could shake a stick at is if an ACC commish somehow managed to lure Ohio State.

The Penn State thing, while nostalgic for us over 40-folks, has cooled. I think Corrigan missed his opportunity back in the early 90's when Penn State was ripe for the picking.

Columbus is where it's at if you're looking at "domination".

Now, you might say "I'm drinking" and I probably am (Devil's Tramping Ground is some goood stuff), but really -- think about it.
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I think the reality of 16 teams in ACC football is the ACC will have to go to 17 teams with Notre Dame as a football independent. So the question is which two teams would be 15 and 16? My guess that it would two of these:

Cincinnati
Central Florida
Connecticut
Navy (football only)/ Georgetown all sports but football.
West Virginia

These appear to be the best teams available today, they are not my ideal choices.
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RE: ACC expansion?
(01-09-2015 10:11 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(01-09-2015 07:04 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  
(01-08-2015 06:32 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  As long as MD was in the ACC, West Virginia had no chance in hell. With MD gone, their existential blackball vote against MD is gone. Va's is still in place. If the no's can be kept to Va, Duke, and GT, West Va would have a shot, but I really think they are more likely to be an 18th, rather than a 16th school and going to 18 while unlikely, assumes the break-up of the B-12. With a broken B-12 you end up with West Va., if perhaps Texas joins like ND, but brings along a partner like TCU on a full basis. If Texas is in, then TCU becomes the most palatable Texas based school to add with Texas as TT and Baylor present issues.

As for the Tennessee v. Auburn issue - it's not close, Tennessee would add a great deal more to the ACC than Auburn. Auburn's media footprint already overlaps GT's, Georgia's, and Bama's - essentially you are looking at adding a market in Nashville, Memphis, and Knoxville, vs. adding markets in Birmingham, Mobile, and Montgomery. Western NC, west of Asheville is already UT territory more than it is UNC or NC State.

If WV still has any emphatic no votes, then I say don't rock the boat and drive them into the arms of the B1G. Uconn has a few emphatic no votes too so put them in the same bucket. Invite the one that everyone can live with - Cincinnati. Not a barn burner but expansion will be a winner if paired with ND. Conference solidarity is important. Then again, maybe the WVU no votes would be reversed if they were paired with ND. All this is conjecture anyway.

I wont go as far as saying that WV will never be in the BIG, but I will say that there are about 40 schools east of the Mississippi, including all 15 Acc schools, 14 SEC schools, 8 Ivy League Schools and some AAC schools who would get an invite first.

If I had to guess the Big 10 wish list:

Tier One - All deliver a large and huge new media footprint, all heavy graduate research universities, all AAU

1. UNC
2. Texas
3. UVa
4. Florida

Tier Two - Heavy research, delivers large new market - all AAU

1. GT
2. Duke
3. Kansas
4. TAMU

Tier Three - All heavy research except and ranked above Nebraska. All new markets with the exception of ND.

1. ND
2. VT
3. NCSU
4. Mizzou
5. Tennessee
6. Georgia

Tier four - Above average academics but not great graduate research, nor AAU, good sports addition.

1. Oklahoma
2. Miami
3. Kentucky
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(01-09-2015 10:55 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Really, for my money, there's no need to "logically" re-create the Southern Conference.

In case most of you have failed to see it, ESPN has been doing the dirty work for us, in creating media entities representing both leagues under their umbrella.

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The school that would create more tsunamis than you could shake a stick at is if an ACC commish somehow managed to lure Ohio State.

The Penn State thing, while nostalgic for us over 40-folks, has cooled. I think Corrigan missed his opportunity back in the early 90's when Penn State was ripe for the picking.

Columbus is where it's at if you're looking at "domination".

Now, you might say "I'm drinking" and I probably am (Devil's Tramping Ground is some goood stuff), but really -- think about it.

Corrigan did not drop the ball on PSU -- MD did not want PSU. MD has been against nearly all expansions. MD liked it's control in the DC market and didn't want to lose that.
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^ Lumber -- stop ruining my semi-well thought out arguments.
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(01-09-2015 11:00 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I think the reality of 16 teams in ACC football is the ACC will have to go to 17 teams with Notre Dame as a football independent. So the question is which two teams would be 15 and 16? My guess that it would two of these:

Cincinnati
Central Florida
Connecticut
Navy (football only)/ Georgetown all sports but football.
West Virginia

Why go to 16 with the schools you mention above? Which school pays it's way? Which school adds to the pie?

WVa would probably pay it's way. Navy would pay it's way only if the ACC gains control of the annual ND/Navy game, but why would Georgetown give up a safe place in the new Big East to become a hybrid? What do they gain?

Cincy - tough call on paying it's way.

Paying your way means generating enough revenue to cover an individual $30 million annual payout and more. CF and UConn - I don't see it nor do I see a scenario where they overcome the blackball votes.
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