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ACC expansion?
What if Auburn were to joint the ACC?
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It's not as far-fetched as you might think.

Why did Nebraska, Colorado, Texas A&M and Missouri all leave the Big XII? Was it not because they got tired of putting up with Texas?

Who is the "Texas" of the SEC? Isn't it Alabama? Who has to put up with more from Alabama than anyone? Auburn!

Yeah, they'd lose some rivalries, but their all-time rivalry list isn't as SEC West as you might assume - in fact, it has a strong ACC flavor:

Rank Opponent___ Last games
1 Georgia...... 2013 109
2 Mississippi St 2013 87
3 Georgia Tech 2005 86
4 Florida....... 2011 84
5 Alabama..... 2013 72
6 Tennessee.. 2013 51
7 Clemson..... 2012 48
8 L. S. U....... 2013 47
9 Ole Miss..... 2013 38
10 Vanderbilt... 2012 38
11 Tulane........ 2006 37
12 Kentucky.... 2010 32
13 Samford..... 2011 27
14 Arkansas.... 2013 23
15 S. Mississippi 2008 22
16 UT-Chattanooga 2010 21
17 Florida State 2013 19
18 Birmingham-So. 1939 16
19 Louisiana Tech 2009 12
20 Miami (Florida) 1984 11

If you want to read more, click here. This is the gist of it though; what are your thoughts? More/less likely than Notre Dame or Penn State?
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RE: ACC team #16...?
Don't we need a #15 first?
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RE: ACC team #16...?
Im taking that Notre Dame is the 15th school for the poster who was asking.

Now I picked Penn State just due the fact they were the obvious choice. My two schools I would like to see the ACC approach is Tennessee first for they would fit the footprint of the conference nicely. The other would be West Virginia just due to geographical standpoint. Also I wouldn't mind seeing Vanderbilt being looked at, but not sure they would fit other than academic profile but would be a good travel partner so to say for Louisville.

I think if the ACC did expand it would be due to ND moving in as a full member, and I would believe the conference would ask the other members, but lean on who ND suggest most likely IMO for the 16th entry.
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RE: ACC expansion?
(01-08-2015 10:41 AM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  Im taking that Notre Dame is the 15th school for the poster who was asking.

Now I picked Penn State just due the fact they were the obvious choice. My two schools I would like to see the ACC approach is Tennessee first for they would fit the footprint of the conference nicely. The other would be West Virginia just due to geographical standpoint. Also I wouldn't mind seeing Vanderbilt being looked at, but not sure they would fit other than academic profile but would be a good travel partner so to say for Louisville.

I think if the ACC did expand it would be due to ND moving in as a full member, and I would believe the conference would ask the other members, but lean on who ND suggest most likely IMO for the 16th entry.

exactly correct the ACC will only expand if ND joins as #15. if the CCG deregulation passes, we won't even need a #16. if not, we're in a real pickle. the B1G is under a GOR and nobody is likely to leave due to the enormous $ payouts. there is no GOR in the SEC, but the $ payouts are also enormous. no realistic options there. the big 12-4+2 is under a GOR and Texas/Oklahoma are happy there until they get left out of the CFP at 11-1. that would force the ACC to invite a 16th that we really don't want. Cincinnati would be the best choice in that case.

best answer is stop at 15 when the deregulation passes.
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You asked most likely ...... so I went with Pedo State.

I'd of course prefer Tennessee.
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(01-08-2015 12:33 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  You asked most likely ...... so I went with Pedo State.

I'd of course prefer Tennessee.

over Auburn? REALLY?
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What? He's not entitled to his (is totally different than your obvious biased) opinion?

I prefer Ohio State.
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RE: ACC expansion?
(01-08-2015 01:08 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-08-2015 12:33 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  You asked most likely ...... so I went with Pedo State.

I'd of course prefer Tennessee.

over Auburn? REALLY?

Why would we need Auburn, we already have NC State.
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(01-08-2015 01:08 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-08-2015 12:33 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  You asked most likely ...... so I went with Pedo State.

I'd of course prefer Tennessee.

over Auburn? REALLY?

Yes. Better geographic fit. Better academic fit. Better rivalry fit. Far better at the non-FB sports. Brings way more TV dollars in.
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RE: ACC expansion?
I would say that it's highly unlikely that any P5 school would move to the ACC. While it would make (slightly) more sense for an SEC team to move than a B1G team, I don't think you can overstate the historic ties among all but the newest SEC members.

Tennessee fits best geographically, and they would have an easier time qualifying for playoff/contract/access bowl berths in the ACC than they do in the SEC. But culturally, they are much closer to SEC sensibilities, and I don't see anything that would make them move.

Vanderbilt might see some value in playing against schools with closer academic values, but I think they still view their roots as southern, and their rivalry with Tennessee as sacrosanct. The question is, why would the ACC want them? We already have what they have in abundance. What we need are more brutes, not more eggheads.

If South Carolina regrets their decision to leave the ACC more than 40 years ago, I don't believe they would ever admit it. They aren't going anywhere.

As for Auburn, why would they leave? They have shown they can compete for and win national championships in football right where they are. I don't think anything else matters in the state of Alabama. And I just can't compare Alabama as a conference partner with Texas. They may be arrogant when they win NCs in football, but UT is arrogant when they don't - and all other times as well. Which is why I don't think the ACC should want to get in bed with Texas.

Therefore, I believe the status quo rules.
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(01-08-2015 02:08 PM)ken d Wrote:  I would say that it's highly unlikely that any P5 school would move to the ACC.


Ken, you ever heard of West Virginia?
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(01-08-2015 02:32 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(01-08-2015 02:08 PM)ken d Wrote:  I would say that it's highly unlikely that any P5 school would move to the ACC.


Ken, you ever heard of West Virginia?

Yes. A pretty state, just east of Kentucky. Why do you ask? 04-cheers
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(01-08-2015 01:26 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  What? He's not entitled to his (is totally different than your obvious biased) opinion?

I prefer Ohio State.

I definitely should have had them on the list... good call!

As for Tennessee, my opinion is not baseless - it's based on the lack of genetic diversity. I don't want an ACC member school where the President, AD, head coach and starting QB are all related to each other... 05-stirthepot
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RE: ACC expansion?
With the Big XII's instability, of the schools listed; Texas has the highest chance to be the ACC's 16th, but just because it's the highest chance doesn't mean it's not also low.
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(01-08-2015 02:42 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(01-08-2015 02:32 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(01-08-2015 02:08 PM)ken d Wrote:  I would say that it's highly unlikely that any P5 school would move to the ACC.


Ken, you ever heard of West Virginia?

Yes. A pretty state, just east of Kentucky. Why do you ask? 04-cheers

03-lmfao

They would leave the B12 in an instant if they had an invitation and were able to get by the GOR.
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(01-08-2015 05:22 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(01-08-2015 02:42 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(01-08-2015 02:32 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(01-08-2015 02:08 PM)ken d Wrote:  I would say that it's highly unlikely that any P5 school would move to the ACC.


Ken, you ever heard of West Virginia?

Yes. A pretty state, just east of Kentucky. Why do you ask? 04-cheers

03-lmfao

They would leave the B12 in an instant if they had an invitation and were able to get by the GOR.

The operative words being "if they had an invitation".
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RE: ACC expansion?
As long as MD was in the ACC, West Virginia had no chance in hell. With MD gone, their existential blackball vote against MD is gone. Va's is still in place. If the no's can be kept to Va, Duke, and GT, West Va would have a shot, but I really think they are more likely to be an 18th, rather than a 16th school and going to 18 while unlikely, assumes the break-up of the B-12. With a broken B-12 you end up with West Va., if perhaps Texas joins like ND, but brings along a partner like TCU on a full basis. If Texas is in, then TCU becomes the most palatable Texas based school to add with Texas as TT and Baylor present issues.

As for the Tennessee v. Auburn issue - it's not close, Tennessee would add a great deal more to the ACC than Auburn. Auburn's media footprint already overlaps GT's, Georgia's, and Bama's - essentially you are looking at adding a market in Nashville, Memphis, and Knoxville, vs. adding markets in Birmingham, Mobile, and Montgomery. Western NC, west of Asheville is already UT territory more than it is UNC or NC State.
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ACC expansion?
Between Auburn and Tennessee, I would prefer Tennessee in the ACC as well.

I would also like to see West Virginia in the ACC. They would join up tomorrow if asked.

Finally, I would like to see Cincinnati in the ACC.
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PSU I guess would be my pick.
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RE: ACC expansion?
Order of Preference:
1) Penn State
2) West Virginia
3) Notre Dame
4) UConn (I'm a basketball fan too)
5) Cincinnati
6) Temple (Philly guy)

Of the SEC schools disregarding whether they would actually move:
1) Florida
2) Georgia
3) Tennessee

Probably wouldn't want anyone else from the SEC.

Most likely:
Probably Cincinnati. Of the P5 schools, West Virginia is the one that would want in the most.
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