(01-29-2015 02:20 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 02:04 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  I can't think of a time where the Big East was ever "complacent."

Then you haven't been paying attention for the last 11 years or so.

I don't know if big east football was complacent. I do know it is a bad as we all thought. Only one school that was ever in the big east made the top 25 this year. Since the formation of AAC, old big East schools have not been to a BCS type bowl and none of the schools are are a threat to soon. The BCS finally killed the big east and those schools have been shuffled into also ran status

Meanwhile both Boise and UCF have. Lol

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(01-30-2015 11:06 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 02:20 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 02:04 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  I can't think of a time where the Big East was ever "complacent."

Then you haven't been paying attention for the last 11 years or so.

I don't know if big east football was complacent. I do know it is a bad as we all thought. Only one school that was ever in the big east made the top 25 this year. Since the formation of AAC, old big East schools have not been to a BCS type bowl and none of the schools are are a threat to soon. The BCS finally killed the big east and those schools have been shuffled into also ran status

Meanwhile both Boise and UCF have. Lol

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Really?? During the period of the New Big EAst 2004-2013, the Big EAst won 5 BCS games and the ACC had one win. Several of the wins had the Big EAst team just dismantle their BCS opponent. West Virginia's wins over Clemson and Oklahoma along with Louisville's win over Florida come to mind. None of those three teams blitzed through conference play. Actually, Louisville was in a three way tie with Cincinnati and Rutgers. If you want to use BCS bowls as your measurement, this is all relevant.

The fact that the Old Big East teams did not have a BCS bowl is not significant. And neither is your conclusory statement that none are a threat soon. Louisville is in good shape, West Virginia is on their way up, and Cincinnati has a good shot at the Access. Conn., Rutgers, USF, Pitt, and Syracuse will still struggle.

(01-30-2015 11:06 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 02:20 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 02:04 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  I can't think of a time where the Big East was ever "complacent."

Then you haven't been paying attention for the last 11 years or so.

I don't know if big east football was complacent. I do know it is a bad as we all thought. Only one school that was ever in the big east made the top 25 this year. Since the formation of AAC, old big East schools have not been to a BCS type bowl and none of the schools are are a threat to soon. The BCS finally killed the big east and those schools have been shuffled into also ran status

Meanwhile both Boise and UCF have. Lol

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I just don't know how you argue with such sound logic.

(01-30-2015 01:46 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 11:06 AM)shere khan Wrote:   I do know it is a bad as we all thought. Only one school that was ever in the big east made the top 25 this year.

I just don't know how you argue with such sound logic.

I have to agree with you because if one year was the basis for all history that has happened and ever will Memphis is a Top 25 FB program....

Sorry you left yourself (Memphis) open for that one....

(01-30-2015 01:46 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 11:06 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 02:20 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 02:04 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  I can't think of a time where the Big East was ever "complacent."

Then you haven't been paying attention for the last 11 years or so.

I don't know if big east football was complacent. I do know it is a bad as we all thought. Only one school that was ever in the big east made the top 25 this year. Since the formation of AAC, old big East schools have not been to a BCS type bowl and none of the schools are are a threat to soon. The BCS finally killed the big east and those schools have been shuffled into also ran status

Meanwhile both Boise and UCF have. Lol

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I just don't know how you argue with such sound logic.

Interesting that at 1 time TCU, Boise St, and UCF all agreed to join the Big East, although none of them ever technically played a game as a member of the Big East.

(01-30-2015 11:50 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 11:06 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 02:20 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 02:04 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  I can't think of a time where the Big East was ever "complacent."

Then you haven't been paying attention for the last 11 years or so.

I don't know if big east football was complacent. I do know it is a bad as we all thought. Only one school that was ever in the big east made the top 25 this year. Since the formation of AAC, old big East schools have not been to a BCS type bowl and none of the schools are are a threat to soon. The BCS finally killed the big east and those schools have been shuffled into also ran status

Meanwhile both Boise and UCF have. Lol

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Really?? During the period of the New Big EAst 2004-2013, the Big EAst won 5 BCS games and the ACC had one win. Several of the wins had the Big EAst team just dismantle their BCS opponent. West Virginia's wins over Clemson and Oklahoma along with Louisville's win over Florida come to mind. None of those three teams blitzed through conference play. Actually, Louisville was in a three way tie with Cincinnati and Rutgers. If you want to use BCS bowls as your measurement, this is all relevant.

The fact that the Old Big East teams did not have a BCS bowl is not significant. And neither is your conclusory statement that none are a threat soon. Louisville is in good shape, West Virginia is on their way up, and Cincinnati has a good shot at the Access. Conn., Rutgers, USF, Pitt, and Syracuse will still struggle.

It was during this period it looked like FSU would NEVER smell the championship game unless they went undefeated because their SOS was so awful. And it was for that reason they entertained the B12 briefly-

I still think if they had struck at just the right moment they could have had FSU, Clemson, WVU and Louisville, and had they done that, the B1G would have taken NC and VA, the SEC taken NC St and TCU, and the B12 would have further grabbed Ga Tech--

leaving-
ISU, KU, KSU, OU, OSU, Tex, TTch, Bay on one side of B12 and
TCU, LV, CIN, WVU, GT, FSU, CL and Pitt on the other

(01-30-2015 08:07 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 11:50 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 11:06 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 02:20 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 02:04 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  I can't think of a time where the Big East was ever "complacent."

Then you haven't been paying attention for the last 11 years or so.

I don't know if big east football was complacent. I do know it is a bad as we all thought. Only one school that was ever in the big east made the top 25 this year. Since the formation of AAC, old big East schools have not been to a BCS type bowl and none of the schools are are a threat to soon. The BCS finally killed the big east and those schools have been shuffled into also ran status

Meanwhile both Boise and UCF have. Lol

Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

Really?? During the period of the New Big EAst 2004-2013, the Big EAst won 5 BCS games and the ACC had one win. Several of the wins had the Big EAst team just dismantle their BCS opponent. West Virginia's wins over Clemson and Oklahoma along with Louisville's win over Florida come to mind. None of those three teams blitzed through conference play. Actually, Louisville was in a three way tie with Cincinnati and Rutgers. If you want to use BCS bowls as your measurement, this is all relevant.

The fact that the Old Big East teams did not have a BCS bowl is not significant. And neither is your conclusory statement that none are a threat soon. Louisville is in good shape, West Virginia is on their way up, and Cincinnati has a good shot at the Access. Conn., Rutgers, USF, Pitt, and Syracuse will still struggle.

It was during this period it looked like FSU would NEVER smell the championship game unless they went undefeated because their SOS was so awful. And it was for that reason they entertained the B12 briefly-

I still think if they had struck at just the right moment they could have had FSU, Clemson, WVU and Louisville, and had they done that, the B1G would have taken NC and VA, the SEC taken NC St and TCU, and the B12 would have further grabbed Ga Tech--

leaving-
ISU, KU, KSU, OU, OSU, Tex, TTch, Bay on one side of B12 and
TCU, LV, CIN, WVU, GT, FSU, CL and Pitt on the other

Wow, just wow.

Big 12 sheds Texas Tech, TCU and Kansas State. PAC picks them up and adds UH or Rice to get into the Houston market. PAC gets presence in the state of Texas and adds a decent football program in Kansas State.

ACC sheds Wake Forest, NC State, Virginia Tech, Syracuse and Boston College. NC State and Virginia Tech to SEC. Syracuse to Big 10 and either ND or BC to Big 10.

The rest of ACC/B12 merge into a fascinating superconference.

Texas, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Iowa State, West Virginia, Pitt, Louisville, Virginia, Duke, UNC, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Miami

Tailor-made for a conference network.

(01-31-2015 06:01 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  Big 12 sheds Texas Tech, TCU and Kansas State. PAC picks them up and adds UH or Rice to get into the Houston market. PAC gets presence in the state of Texas and adds a decent football program in Kansas State.

ACC sheds Wake Forest, NC State, Virginia Tech, Syracuse and Boston College. NC State and Virginia Tech to SEC. Syracuse to Big 10 and either ND or BC to Big 10.

The rest of ACC/B12 merge into a fascinating superconference.

Texas, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Iowa State, West Virginia, Pitt, Louisville, Virginia, Duke, UNC, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Miami

Tailor-made for a conference network.

I think its only a matter of time before the ACC adds UConn and Notre Dame (as a full member- or with Navy as a replacement football member) to get to 16.

The B1G is going to offer Kansas, and probably Iowa State due to their AAU status.

The Pac will go after Texas, TT, OU and OSU.

And I think Kansas State and TCU or Baylor end up in the SEC -

someone is getting left out in that group

(01-31-2015 03:34 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(01-31-2015 06:01 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  Big 12 sheds Texas Tech, TCU and Kansas State. PAC picks them up and adds UH or Rice to get into the Houston market. PAC gets presence in the state of Texas and adds a decent football program in Kansas State.

ACC sheds Wake Forest, NC State, Virginia Tech, Syracuse and Boston College. NC State and Virginia Tech to SEC. Syracuse to Big 10 and either ND or BC to Big 10.

The rest of ACC/B12 merge into a fascinating superconference.

Texas, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Iowa State, West Virginia, Pitt, Louisville, Virginia, Duke, UNC, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Miami

Tailor-made for a conference network.

You could say the same for 99% of the conversations in this forum.

agree bit

(01-31-2015 06:01 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  Big 12 sheds Texas Tech, TCU and Kansas State. PAC picks them up and adds UH or Rice to get into the Houston market. PAC gets presence in the state of Texas and adds a decent football program in Kansas State.

ACC sheds Wake Forest, NC State, Virginia Tech, Syracuse and Boston College. NC State and Virginia Tech to SEC. Syracuse to Big 10 and either ND or BC to Big 10.

The rest of ACC/B12 merge into a fascinating superconference.

Texas, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Iowa State, West Virginia, Pitt, Louisville, Virginia, Duke, UNC, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Miami

Tailor-made for a conference network.

Wow.

(02-01-2015 04:07 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(01-31-2015 06:01 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  Big 12 sheds Texas Tech, TCU and Kansas State. PAC picks them up and adds UH or Rice to get into the Houston market. PAC gets presence in the state of Texas and adds a decent football program in Kansas State.

ACC sheds Wake Forest, NC State, Virginia Tech, Syracuse and Boston College. NC State and Virginia Tech to SEC. Syracuse to Big 10 and either ND or BC to Big 10.

The rest of ACC/B12 merge into a fascinating superconference.

Texas, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Iowa State, West Virginia, Pitt, Louisville, Virginia, Duke, UNC, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Miami

Tailor-made for a conference network.

Wow.

Boggles the mind. Doesn't it?

(02-01-2015 09:07 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 04:07 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(01-31-2015 06:01 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  Big 12 sheds Texas Tech, TCU and Kansas State. PAC picks them up and adds UH or Rice to get into the Houston market. PAC gets presence in the state of Texas and adds a decent football program in Kansas State.

ACC sheds Wake Forest, NC State, Virginia Tech, Syracuse and Boston College. NC State and Virginia Tech to SEC. Syracuse to Big 10 and either ND or BC to Big 10.

The rest of ACC/B12 merge into a fascinating superconference.

Texas, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Iowa State, West Virginia, Pitt, Louisville, Virginia, Duke, UNC, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Miami

Tailor-made for a conference network.

Wow.

Boggles the mind. Doesn't it?

If I were the Big XII, I'd go with Boise State and San Diego State....

I'd break it out into East-West divisions, with Texas in one group and Oklahoma in the other, so that EVERYONE gets to at least play one of those schools. Then I'd split the Texas teams, so that EVERYONE at least gets to make a road trip to Texas.

Big XII EAST
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
TCU
Baylor
West Virginia
Iowa State

Big XII WEST
Texas
Texas Tech
Kansas
Kansas State
Boise State
San Diego State

Boise State has enough of name rep that a major conference could turn them into a possible Oregon

San Diego State is a large college and great market

The conference would then have its championship game, and be on the same level with the other P5 conferences

The problem with the future fate of the Big 12 is its leadership. The denial that it needs to expand to at least 12 teams and host a championship game. I think a picture is worth a thousand words.

(02-04-2015 04:03 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  If I were the Big XII, I'd go with Boise State and San Diego State....

I'd break it out into East-West divisions, with Texas in one group and Oklahoma in the other, so that EVERYONE gets to at least play one of those schools. Then I'd split the Texas teams, so that EVERYONE at least gets to make a road trip to Texas.

Big XII EAST
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
TCU
Baylor
West Virginia
Iowa State

Big XII WEST
Texas
Texas Tech
Kansas
Kansas State
Boise State
San Diego State

Boise State has enough of name rep that a major conference could turn them into a possible Oregon

San Diego State is a large college and great market

The conference would then have its championship game, and be on the same level with the other P5 conferences

What Boise State has done is quite admirable, but they're not going to become another Oregon - because Phil Knight isn't a BSU alum.

(02-06-2015 03:22 PM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  

(02-04-2015 04:03 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  If I were the Big XII, I'd go with Boise State and San Diego State....

I'd break it out into East-West divisions, with Texas in one group and Oklahoma in the other, so that EVERYONE gets to at least play one of those schools. Then I'd split the Texas teams, so that EVERYONE at least gets to make a road trip to Texas.

Big XII EAST
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
TCU
Baylor
West Virginia
Iowa State

Big XII WEST
Texas
Texas Tech
Kansas
Kansas State
Boise State
San Diego State

Boise State has enough of name rep that a major conference could turn them into a possible Oregon

San Diego State is a large college and great market

The conference would then have its championship game, and be on the same level with the other P5 conferences

What Boise State has done is quite admirable, but they're not going to become another Oregon - because Phil Knight isn't a BSU alum.

You'd think Oregon would be able to put together a decent basketball program...