1. UConn was never a part of the original discussions back in the late 1990's.
2. Those discussion were held between the Gene Corrigan, ACC Commish, NC State's Les Robinson, and Miami's Paul Dee
3. Tranghesee knew about the discussion but could do nothing because of the basketball schools
4. Dee wanted Miami to come with Syracuse and BC
5. After Duke and UNC pulled a power play, putting UVa over a barrel and allowing VT to enter, Syracuse was odd-manned out
6. While others participated Blumenthal personalized the litigation in NC by suing some ACC officers in their personal capacity - that was a mistake
7. The ACC learned enough about the law in Connecticutt to know they do not want to do business there
8. As realighnment continued, the promise to Syracuse was kept, and Pitt had been playing football at the top level of the NCAA for over 100 years
9. When it came time to replace MD, none of the schools that make their budget on Football wanted UConn because they don't recruit New England, and UConn sells no more seats in the South than Wofford, Gardner Webb, App State, or Georgia Southern.
10. UConn is existential competition for BC.
11. That means there are 5-6 no votes in the ACC against UConn. BC, FSU, Clemson, NC State, VT, and Miami. It's not personal except for BC, it's financial.
12. If an existing school says "Hell No" that does carry weight with the remainder of the schools - it's one thing not to want a certain school, it's another to say it's a deal breaker for you.


Nothing changes the fact that UConn was very late to the game, too late in fact. Cincy and Louisville played at a lower level like UConn did in the Yankee Conference until the early 70's when they went independent. Upon going independent Louisville had real success against P-5 schools by the early 90's, Cincy had real success against p-5's starting in the late 2000's.

UConn is running decades behind Louisville, and Cincy. East Carolina made a quicker commitment to big time football than UConn. You can't expect to be the last to show up and have things go your way.

(01-14-2015 04:19 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Boston College, Syracuse, Virginia Tech, and Miami are all still pissed at UConn. I think Louisville would support Cincinnati over UConn. FSU, Clemson and Georgia Tech all think UConn's football is not good enough. Over half of the members do not really want UConn for one reason or another. The morale here is never burn bridges that you might have recross in the future. It can come back to bite you on the @ss!

why would vtech and cuse be pissed at uconn?

I spoke with a relative who lives in New Haven. Jacobs is despised by about half of Connecticut. For my southern friends, he is your typical northeast elitist. He despises big time college athletics and has always believed Uconn should be in Conference USA. I guess he got his wish with the AAC.

UCONN is getting exit fees from the BE schools. That should be good for a few more years I'm guessing.

You're welcome.

(01-14-2015 07:38 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 04:19 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Boston College, Syracuse, Virginia Tech, and Miami are all still pissed at UConn. I think Louisville would support Cincinnati over UConn. FSU, Clemson and Georgia Tech all think UConn's football is not good enough. Over half of the members do not really want UConn for one reason or another. The morale here is never burn bridges that you might have recross in the future. It can come back to bite you on the @ss!

why would vtech and cuse be pissed at uconn?

I was wondering the same thing, mostly about Syracuse. As far as I know, Syracuse and Uconn have always been on good terms.

(01-14-2015 08:39 AM)XLance Wrote:  Are we supposed to feel sorry for UConn? If the writer is looking for someone to pin the "blame" on he needs to look no further than the genius that instigated the lawsuit.

He is (or was) the president of one of your member schools, and NOT at UCONN. Nice attempt at deflection, though. Bravo, good sir.

(01-14-2015 04:25 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 04:05 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 03:41 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 03:04 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Does Boston College really have the pull in the ACC to prevent UConn from being a member? Or is that a myth, perpetuated by frustrated UConn fans?

Boston College is ONE vote in the ACC. By themselves, they cannot block anybody form entry into the ACC if the other ACC members want that school in. Regardless of the feelings of the former BC AD (who was one of the people PERSONALLY sued by CT state officials, BTW), this is a fact that no one can dispute.

Besides, BC owes nothing to Uconn, especially after the lawsuit. Not sure why anybody would think this is any big deal.

FWIW, IMO, rather than blame BC, Uconn fans might want to ask some hard questions of their own administrators. They finished their move up to Div. 1, and started playing in a Div. 1 conference,11 seasons ago. They have had 6 losing seasons over that 11 year period. They are at present one the worst FB teams in Div.1 and, as the article indicated, had little of 5,000 fans attend their last FB game this year. At a time when FB is the main driver in realignment, this this is not the best resume to put forward right now.

Pitt spearheaded the whole lawsuit and even Virginia Tech was on it until the ACC swapped out Syracuse for Virginia Tech thanks to a Virginia senator's intervention. In the long run, the lawsuit didn't block those two schools fron joining the ACC.

That isn't the problem The problem is this: what is comes down to is that schools like BC know that they can't compete with a school like UConn if UConn is given equal footing. So, it is easier for them to keep UConn out.

BC is like the guy at the party with the smallest wee wee. He knows he can't pick up the hot chick, so he c**k blocks the guy that can.

Ah, the delusional rantings of the Uconn fan.

BC cannot compete with Uconn. LMAO.

Dude, your FB program is so bad right now it cannot compete with any of its current conference mates, of which it IS on an equal footing, let alone anybody in the P5.

Again, why is it so hard to understand? BC is ONE vote in the ACC. If Uconn was such a great get, the other schools in the ACC would have voted them in. They haven't, have they? Wonder why? Hmmm?

But let the arrogance roll....as 5K fans show up to watch your FB games. Geeez.

Have you been taking your stupid pills again? Or, are you unfamiliar to the concept of the power of persuasion? Or, both?

(01-14-2015 07:56 PM)Sparkster Wrote:  I spoke with a relative who lives in New Haven. Jacobs is despised by about half of Connecticut. For my southern friends, he is your typical northeast elitist. He despises big time college athletics and has always believed Uconn should be in Conference USA. I guess he got his wish with the AAC.

Your New Haven relative may be right about some UConn fans that dislike Jacobs, but the UConn President, Susan Herbst isn't in that camp. He certainly seems to have her ear.

March 2013
Jeff Jacobs
‏@jacobscourant
Email exchange with UConn prez Susan Herbst Thurs. night gave me serious pause that Big East thing was over. Lots of details to be argued.

October 2013
http://articles.courant.com/2013-10-25/s...te-miles/2
I wrote to Herbst that maybe a more friendly, female mascot could be added. A number of universities, Tennessee comes to mind, have done it. She responded in the kind of caring, thoughtful way of a real leader. She wrote how she had significant experience with these matters on many campuses.


Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 14:27:11 -0400
To: "Jacobs, Jeff"
Subject: FW: Column on bball
Hey eff, thanks. There is a lot of talk across the nation as you know, some real intentions, light
signaling, contradictory rumors, and hypothetical conversation. Can't comment right now, but .
I am in the conversation for sure, and will be certain UConn is on a good track for the future.
More -- Sl1S8l'l
Susan Herbst
President
University of Connecticut
Forwarded Message
From: "Jacobs, eff" 'acobs courant.corn>
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 11:04:44 -0400
To: Susan Herbst <susan.lrerbst uconn.edu>
Subject: Re: Column on bball
Susan, the Big East world is in an uproar this morning over reports of Syracuse and Pittsburgh and ACC.
even reported they Can you give me any on or off the record direction on this. And is
UConn involved in ACC talks to go there? Thanks, Jeff Jacobs
Sem via DROID on Verizon lVireIess



Original Message
From: Herbst, Susan
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 2:55 PM
To: Jacobs, Jeff
Subject: Column on bball

Hi Jeff] many thanks for a thoughtful and very fair column today. It is true
that NCAA rules need a rigorous evaluation, in recruitment and many
other areas. But as you note, institutions have plenty of responsibility,
regardless of how long it takes our national organization to change, and what
they end up doing. .
.
Per the Drummond/Bradley situation, it worked out well, and Enright can give
more detail if you need it. Time will tell if the dynamics of summer 201
tum out as they should. We want both of these young men to achieve their
dreams, same as we want for every undergraduate here, and for UConn to be
proud of how that happens.

l'm not old enough to know for sure, but this seems to be one of the most
complicated and fraught times in college sports. We at UConn will have to
find our way, and keep our integrity central, even with the fluidity and
stress on the system, coming from every which direction.

Have a good weekend -
Susan
--

Susan Herbst
President
University of Connecticut
Susan Herbst
President
University of Connecticut

(01-14-2015 07:10 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  1. UConn was never a part of the original discussions back in the late 1990's.
2. Those discussion were held between the Gene Corrigan, ACC Commish, NC State's Les Robinson, and Miami's Paul Dee
3. Tranghesee knew about the discussion but could do nothing because of the basketball schools
4. Dee wanted Miami to come with Syracuse and BC
5. After Duke and UNC pulled a power play, putting UVa over a barrel and allowing VT to enter, Syracuse was odd-manned out
6. While others participated Blumenthal personalized the litigation in NC by suing some ACC officers in their personal capacity - that was a mistake
7. The ACC learned enough about the law in Connecticutt to know they do not want to do business there
8. As realighnment continued, the promise to Syracuse was kept, and Pitt had been playing football at the top level of the NCAA for over 100 years
9. When it came time to replace MD, none of the schools that make their budget on Football wanted UConn because they don't recruit New England, and UConn sells no more seats in the South than Wofford, Gardner Webb, App State, or Georgia Southern.
10. UConn is existential competition for BC.
11. That means there are 5-6 no votes in the ACC against UConn. BC, FSU, Clemson, NC State, VT, and Miami. It's not personal except for BC, it's financial.
12. If an existing school says "Hell No" that does carry weight with the remainder of the schools - it's one thing not to want a certain school, it's another to say it's a deal breaker for you.


Nothing changes the fact that UConn was very late to the game, too late in fact. Cincy and Louisville played at a lower level like UConn did in the Yankee Conference until the early 70's when they went independent. Upon going independent Louisville had real success against P-5 schools by the early 90's, Cincy had real success against p-5's starting in the late 2000's.

UConn is running decades behind Louisville, and Cincy. East Carolina made a quicker commitment to big time football than UConn. You can't expect to be the last to show up and have things go your way.

I see you're still trying to convince this board you're some sort of CR "expert", when it's patently obvious you know nothing. LESS than nothing, in fact.

(01-14-2015 09:01 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 07:56 PM)Sparkster Wrote:  I spoke with a relative who lives in New Haven. Jacobs is despised by about half of Connecticut. For my southern friends, he is your typical northeast elitist. He despises big time college athletics and has always believed Uconn should be in Conference USA. I guess he got his wish with the AAC.

Your New Haven relative may be right about some UConn fans that dislike Jacobs, but the UConn President, Susan Herbst isn't in that camp. He certainly seems to have her ear.

March 2013
Jeff Jacobs
‏@jacobscourant
Email exchange with UConn prez Susan Herbst Thurs. night gave me serious pause that Big East thing was over. Lots of details to be argued.

October 2013
http://articles.courant.com/2013-10-25/s...te-miles/2
I wrote to Herbst that maybe a more friendly, female mascot could be added. A number of universities, Tennessee comes to mind, have done it. She responded in the kind of caring, thoughtful way of a real leader. She wrote how she had significant experience with these matters on many campuses.


Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 14:27:11 -0400
To: "Jacobs, Jeff"
Subject: FW: Column on bball
Hey eff, thanks. There is a lot of talk across the nation as you know, some real intentions, light
signaling, contradictory rumors, and hypothetical conversation. Can't comment right now, but .
I am in the conversation for sure, and will be certain UConn is on a good track for the future.
More -- Sl1S8l'l
Susan Herbst
President
University of Connecticut
Forwarded Message
From: "Jacobs, eff" 'acobs courant.corn>
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 11:04:44 -0400
To: Susan Herbst <susan.lrerbst uconn.edu>
Subject: Re: Column on bball
Susan, the Big East world is in an uproar this morning over reports of Syracuse and Pittsburgh and ACC.
even reported they Can you give me any on or off the record direction on this. And is
UConn involved in ACC talks to go there? Thanks, Jeff Jacobs
Sem via DROID on Verizon lVireIess



Original Message
From: Herbst, Susan
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 2:55 PM
To: Jacobs, Jeff
Subject: Column on bball

Hi Jeff] many thanks for a thoughtful and very fair column today. It is true
that NCAA rules need a rigorous evaluation, in recruitment and many
other areas. But as you note, institutions have plenty of responsibility,
regardless of how long it takes our national organization to change, and what
they end up doing. .
.
Per the Drummond/Bradley situation, it worked out well, and Enright can give
more detail if you need it. Time will tell if the dynamics of summer 201
tum out as they should. We want both of these young men to achieve their
dreams, same as we want for every undergraduate here, and for UConn to be
proud of how that happens.

l'm not old enough to know for sure, but this seems to be one of the most
complicated and fraught times in college sports. We at UConn will have to
find our way, and keep our integrity central, even with the fluidity and
stress on the system, coming from every which direction.

Have a good weekend -
Susan
--

Susan Herbst
President
University of Connecticut
Susan Herbst
President
University of Connecticut

What in that email exchange dated as it is makes you believe he has her ear? He does work for the largest newspaper in Connecticut. Her answer was that of a good politician.

This clown's anti-UConn threads are so tiresome.

He's a f-cking idiot.

(01-14-2015 08:59 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 04:25 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 04:05 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 03:41 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 03:04 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Does Boston College really have the pull in the ACC to prevent UConn from being a member? Or is that a myth, perpetuated by frustrated UConn fans?

Boston College is ONE vote in the ACC. By themselves, they cannot block anybody form entry into the ACC if the other ACC members want that school in. Regardless of the feelings of the former BC AD (who was one of the people PERSONALLY sued by CT state officials, BTW), this is a fact that no one can dispute.

Besides, BC owes nothing to Uconn, especially after the lawsuit. Not sure why anybody would think this is any big deal.

FWIW, IMO, rather than blame BC, Uconn fans might want to ask some hard questions of their own administrators. They finished their move up to Div. 1, and started playing in a Div. 1 conference,11 seasons ago. They have had 6 losing seasons over that 11 year period. They are at present one the worst FB teams in Div.1 and, as the article indicated, had little of 5,000 fans attend their last FB game this year. At a time when FB is the main driver in realignment, this this is not the best resume to put forward right now.

Pitt spearheaded the whole lawsuit and even Virginia Tech was on it until the ACC swapped out Syracuse for Virginia Tech thanks to a Virginia senator's intervention. In the long run, the lawsuit didn't block those two schools fron joining the ACC.

That isn't the problem The problem is this: what is comes down to is that schools like BC know that they can't compete with a school like UConn if UConn is given equal footing. So, it is easier for them to keep UConn out.

BC is like the guy at the party with the smallest wee wee. He knows he can't pick up the hot chick, so he c**k blocks the guy that can.

Ah, the delusional rantings of the Uconn fan.

BC cannot compete with Uconn. LMAO.

Dude, your FB program is so bad right now it cannot compete with any of its current conference mates, of which it IS on an equal footing, let alone anybody in the P5.

Again, why is it so hard to understand? BC is ONE vote in the ACC. If Uconn was such a great get, the other schools in the ACC would have voted them in. They haven't, have they? Wonder why? Hmmm?

But let the arrogance roll....as 5K fans show up to watch your FB games. Geeez.

Have you been taking your stupid pills again? Or, are you unfamiliar to the concept of the power of persuasion? Or, both?

Nope, defConn. I am just LMAO at Uconn fans who for years ridiculed BC as being the "red headed stepchild" of the ACC and who no one supposedly paid attention to. Now, when it suits your narrative, BC is suddenly this powerful entity able to dictate who is invited to the Conference.

(01-14-2015 04:50 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  We earned our spot in the ACC, just like we earned our spot hen we went to the Big East. UConn's best chance IMO is the Big 10 and I don't see them expanding again in the near future.

You may have earned it (which is never the criteria)but it's still a very odd fit.

(01-15-2015 03:12 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 04:50 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  We earned our spot in the ACC, just like we earned our spot hen we went to the Big East. UConn's best chance IMO is the Big 10 and I don't see them expanding again in the near future.

You may have earned it (which is never the criteria)but it's still a very odd fit.

Actually its a great fit for us. The ACC is where we have always wanted to be. What is a odd fit is Missouri in the SEC and West Virginia in the Big 12

(01-14-2015 08:19 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 07:38 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 04:19 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Boston College, Syracuse, Virginia Tech, and Miami are all still pissed at UConn. I think Louisville would support Cincinnati over UConn. FSU, Clemson and Georgia Tech all think UConn's football is not good enough. Over half of the members do not really want UConn for one reason or another. The morale here is never burn bridges that you might have recross in the future. It can come back to bite you on the @ss!

why would vtech and cuse be pissed at uconn?

I was wondering the same thing, mostly about Syracuse. As far as I know, Syracuse and Uconn have always been on good terms.

I hear its about market share and recruiting.

BC, Cuse, Pitt and Syracuse all have reason to keep UConn out for turf reasons and don't want yet another northern, basketball school to compete for recruits and fans in the north/NE area for.

VT, Clemson, Miami, FSU and GT all have reason to keep UConn out for FB reasons and don't want another northern basketball school weakening their SOS and hurting their ticket sales (and SU/Pitt may not be great now but they have tremendous FB histories that are appreciated by FB fans).

Tobacco Road +UVA were probably for UConn and usually they are the strongest opinion among the ACC's 3 factions but at the time with the Big 12 a wounded animal, they felt the need to side with the Southern Gridirons to keep the peace.

UL was the perfect compromise between the 3 factions that make up the ACC (Northern Hardwoods, Tobacco Road + UVA and the Southern Gridirons)

(01-14-2015 05:08 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Everyone not in a "power" conference is being "bled dry." It is what it is.

(01-15-2015 01:02 PM)bearcatfan Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 05:08 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Everyone not in a "power" conference is being "bled dry." It is what it is.

And no one in P5 wants UConn. Deal with it.

(01-15-2015 04:58 AM)rednblackattack Wrote:  Actually its a great fit for us. The ACC is where we have always wanted to be. What is a odd fit is Missouri in the SEC and West Virginia in the Big 12

West Virginia should be in the ACC, Louisville in the SEC and Missouri in the B1G.

No college is being bleed dry. This is being bleed dry. Maybe you mean forced to go broke.