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RE: University Endowments
(01-31-2015 10:09 AM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  
(01-30-2015 10:01 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(01-29-2015 11:42 AM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  Why can't we ever discuss something fun and something we should win. Like hottest coeds for example.

Start a thread!

eta: I would, but I went to Rice. There wasn't much there while I was on campus (times may have changed, though).

Now that I reviewed this financial analysis, I make a Motion we set up the "PO' Folks Foundation" to collect donations for Marshall, La Tech, MT, and Southern Miss. We can let Rice and ODU be responsible for raising the Money. Clearly OWLS and MONARCHS got a Helluva lot more $ GREEN! Of course, FAU and FIU can contribute, too!
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(01-31-2015 12:11 AM)banker Wrote:  I linked the website to the company whose only function is to administer the Harvard Endowment. On the site they discuss their investment strategy, their results, their funding to the university, and even provide PDF files to their last several annual reports. In spite of that, you go on a 100 paragraph rampage built on hypotheticals and assumptions. Are you just bored or do you really think your analysis will prove more accurate than the actual, audited results provided by the firm that manages the endowment?

I do find it interesting that Harvard has 2,400 faculty members considering they have less than 10,000 students. So basically you're saying there's a 4 to 1 ratio?

Harvard has 21,200 students

6,700 undergrads and 14,500 grad students so an 8.83 to one student to faculty ratio when all are counted and as the Rice report below states it is in error to assume faculty to not work with graduate students

Rice has been as low as 5 to 1 just counting undergrads and 8 to 1 counting grad students in the same report U Chicago was 4 to 1 undergrads and 8 to 1 with graduates

Princeton was the lowest 7 to 1 including graduate students

but that report is older from early 2000s when Rice was having a 100 year review and future planning (page 7)

http://professor.rice.edu/images/professor/size.ppt

http://professor.rice.edu/professor/10_Points.asp

Rice actually decided after looking at all peers they could easily raise their student to faculty ratio and benefit from it
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RE: University Endowments
new numbers are out

http://www.nacubo.org/Documents/research...lues-2.pdf

1). Rice rank #20 $5,814,444
2). Florida Atlantic rank #299 $215,954
3). ODU rank #301 $213,543
4). UTEP $212,206,545.70 http://www.utimco.org/scripts/PrivateEnd...mplist.asp
5). Charlotte rank #317 $202,793
6). Florida International rank #323 $196,281
7). north Texas state rank #366 $161,221
8). UTSA $157,800,126.48 http://www.utimco.org/scripts/PrivateEnd...mplist.asp
9). Western Kentucky rank #382 $152,539
10). Marshall rank # 422 $123,206
11). Middle Tennessee rank #473 $96,809
12). Southern Miss rank #480 $94,751


UAB not listed

LA Tech not listed
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If you google 'UAB endowment' it shows 425 million. I'm not sure where they get that info.
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(01-28-2018 03:28 PM)Dracorex Wrote:  If you google 'UAB endowment' it shows 425 million. I'm not sure where they get that info.

they get it from the US Snooze rankings page

more than likely that number is accurate (at least at the time and probably a bit dated) for UAB

but I choose to list numbers either from the NACUBO list or in the case of UTSA and UTEP directly from the endowment management organization for the UT System

because if you start using wiki and other googled sources you can get a lot of garbage

as an example if you google the endowment for north Texas state it list $309 million, but that is not remotely accurate that is some fools on wiki that do not understand that "assets under management" for a university foundation does not equal an endowment for that university

because as it clearly states on the financials for the north Texas state foundation all of that $309 million is not an endowment

so I choose to make a list that used either the same information collected in the same way or information that was as close to being the same as possible and verifiable otherwise you end up getting "wikied"

again I am fairly sure the the number for UAB would be much closer to being accurate than many other "wiki type sources" or "google sources"
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(01-28-2018 03:28 PM)Dracorex Wrote:  If you google 'UAB endowment' it shows 425 million. I'm not sure where they get that info.

Yes, that USM # also appears to be a little low.
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i'm sure you know, but it should be list as university of north texas or just north texas....no state in the name
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Managing $309 million in assets seems like an accurate number according to North Texas.

http://endow.unt.edu/

The hate seems strong with a certain poster. 07-coffee3
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The googled #s that I checked seem to all be a university's total assets under management (from various past years) and not endowment net assets.

For example, I checked Southern Miss for Beagle, which has $116.8m listed as their endowment when googled, but that is their total assets from 2014. https://www.usmfoundation.com/s/1149/ima...fy2014.pdf

The total endowment can be found on the last page of that pdf ($78.6m for 2014) and if you check the OP of this thread, that # matches what loki has.

Here's where you can find Southern Miss' endowment for 2017 that matches what Todge has. https://www.usmfoundation.com/s/1149/ima...ion_fs.pdf


tl;dr Endowments listed on the NACUBO website are correct. There is a difference between endowment net assets and total assets under management.
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(01-28-2018 06:12 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Managing $309 million in assets seems like an accurate number according to North Texas.

http://endow.unt.edu/

The hate seems strong with a certain poster. 07-coffee3


assets under management is not an endowment 01-wingedeagle

the lack of understanding and reality is strong with a particular fan base
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(01-28-2018 03:14 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  new numbers are out

http://www.nacubo.org/Documents/research...lues-2.pdf

1). Rice rank #20 $5,814,444
2). Florida Atlantic rank #299 $215,954
3). ODU rank #301 $213,543
4). UTEP $212,206,545.70 http://www.utimco.org/scripts/PrivateEnd...mplist.asp
5). Charlotte rank #317 $202,793
6). Florida International rank #323 $196,281
7). north Texas state rank #366 $161,221
8). UTSA $157,800,126.48 http://www.utimco.org/scripts/PrivateEnd...mplist.asp
9). Western Kentucky rank #382 $152,539
10). Marshall rank # 422 $123,206
11). Middle Tennessee rank #473 $96,809
12). Southern Miss rank #480 $94,751


UAB not listed

LA Tech not listed
As someone who may or may not have worked on FAU’s financials, I can definitely say the net assets for the endowment fund are $275 million. How lazy are the accountants for nacubo? I doubt all of those numbers are up to date.

https://fauf.fau.edu/sites/default/files...t-2016.pdf
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(01-28-2018 07:54 PM)Seminowl Wrote:  
(01-28-2018 03:14 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  new numbers are out

http://www.nacubo.org/Documents/research...lues-2.pdf

1). Rice rank #20 $5,814,444
2). Florida Atlantic rank #299 $215,954
3). ODU rank #301 $213,543
4). UTEP $212,206,545.70 http://www.utimco.org/scripts/PrivateEnd...mplist.asp
5). Charlotte rank #317 $202,793
6). Florida International rank #323 $196,281
7). north Texas state rank #366 $161,221
8). UTSA $157,800,126.48 http://www.utimco.org/scripts/PrivateEnd...mplist.asp
9). Western Kentucky rank #382 $152,539
10). Marshall rank # 422 $123,206
11). Middle Tennessee rank #473 $96,809
12). Southern Miss rank #480 $94,751


UAB not listed

LA Tech not listed
As someone who may or may not have worked on FAU’s financials, I can definitely say the net assets for the endowment fund are $275 million. How lazy are the accountants for nacubo? I doubt all of those numbers are up to date.

https://fauf.fau.edu/sites/default/files...t-2016.pdf



if you had "worked on that" you would understand there is a difference between assets under management and endowment dollars

and the UNIVERSITIES REPORT to the NACUBO using an agreed upon system of accounting

so there is no "laziness" by the NACUBO there are simply reports made using standardized methods of reporting that are designed to INCLUDE endowment dollars and exclude dollars that are NOT endowment dollars
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(01-28-2018 07:54 PM)Seminowl Wrote:  As someone who may or may not have worked on FAU’s financials, I can definitely say the net assets for the endowment fund are $275 million. How lazy are the accountants for nacubo? I doubt all of those numbers are up to date.

https://fauf.fau.edu/sites/default/files...t-2016.pdf

That's total assets under management. The endowment net assets are located on page 19.
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(01-28-2018 08:02 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  
(01-28-2018 07:54 PM)Seminowl Wrote:  
(01-28-2018 03:14 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  new numbers are out

http://www.nacubo.org/Documents/research...lues-2.pdf

1). Rice rank #20 $5,814,444
2). Florida Atlantic rank #299 $215,954
3). ODU rank #301 $213,543
4). UTEP $212,206,545.70 http://www.utimco.org/scripts/PrivateEnd...mplist.asp
5). Charlotte rank #317 $202,793
6). Florida International rank #323 $196,281
7). north Texas state rank #366 $161,221
8). UTSA $157,800,126.48 http://www.utimco.org/scripts/PrivateEnd...mplist.asp
9). Western Kentucky rank #382 $152,539
10). Marshall rank # 422 $123,206
11). Middle Tennessee rank #473 $96,809
12). Southern Miss rank #480 $94,751


UAB not listed

LA Tech not listed
As someone who may or may not have worked on FAU’s financials, I can definitely say the net assets for the endowment fund are $275 million. How lazy are the accountants for nacubo? I doubt all of those numbers are up to date.

https://fauf.fau.edu/sites/default/files...t-2016.pdf



if you had "worked on that" you would understand there is a difference between assets under management and endowment dollars

and the UNIVERSITIES REPORT to the NACUBO using an agreed upon system of accounting

so there is no "laziness" by the NACUBO there are simply reports made using standardized methods of reporting that are designed to INCLUDE endowment dollars and exclude dollars that are NOT endowment dollars
Woah, woah, woah Rambo. That did actually come to mind 5 minutes after I posted my reply. Also preparing the financials for a University does not mean you work for a University. So I wouldn’t know how they report the financials to NACUBO.
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I just know I'm well endowed, even if my university isn't..04-cheers
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(01-28-2018 08:08 PM)thefaU Wrote:  
(01-28-2018 07:54 PM)Seminowl Wrote:  As someone who may or may not have worked on FAU’s financials, I can definitely say the net assets for the endowment fund are $275 million. How lazy are the accountants for nacubo? I doubt all of those numbers are up to date.

https://fauf.fau.edu/sites/default/files...t-2016.pdf

That's total assets under management. The endowment net assets are located on page 19.

True, I’m going to put this here as a monument to my inability to read financial statements. I’m going to go back to doing taxes now 04-chairshot. I actually do related private foundations (tax work) but I’ve been in and out of the financials because our auditors do the university.
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(01-28-2018 03:14 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  new numbers are out

http://www.nacubo.org/Documents/research...lues-2.pdf

1). Rice rank #20 $5,814,444
2). Florida Atlantic rank #299 $215,954
3). ODU rank #301 $213,543
4). UTEP $212,206,545.70 http://www.utimco.org/scripts/PrivateEnd...mplist.asp
5). Charlotte rank #317 $202,793
6). Florida International rank #323 $196,281
7). north Texas state rank #366 $161,221
8). UTSA $157,800,126.48 http://www.utimco.org/scripts/PrivateEnd...mplist.asp
9). Western Kentucky rank #382 $152,539
10). Marshall rank # 422 $123,206
11). Middle Tennessee rank #473 $96,809
12). Southern Miss rank #480 $94,751


UAB not listed

LA Tech not listed

The Louisiana Legislative Auditor released within past few days the audit performed by a cpa firm in Shreveport which showed the Louisiana Tech endowment had assets of $32,393,350 as of fiscal year ending 6/30/2017.
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(01-29-2018 12:34 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  
(01-28-2018 03:14 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  new numbers are out

http://www.nacubo.org/Documents/research...lues-2.pdf

1). Rice rank #20 $5,814,444
2). Florida Atlantic rank #299 $215,954
3). ODU rank #301 $213,543
4). UTEP $212,206,545.70 http://www.utimco.org/scripts/PrivateEnd...mplist.asp
5). Charlotte rank #317 $202,793
6). Florida International rank #323 $196,281
7). north Texas state rank #366 $161,221
8). UTSA $157,800,126.48 http://www.utimco.org/scripts/PrivateEnd...mplist.asp
9). Western Kentucky rank #382 $152,539
10). Marshall rank # 422 $123,206
11). Middle Tennessee rank #473 $96,809
12). Southern Miss rank #480 $94,751


UAB not listed

LA Tech not listed

The Louisiana Legislative Auditor released within past few days the audit performed by a cpa firm in Shreveport which showed the Louisiana Tech endowment had assets of $32,393,350 as of fiscal year ending 6/30/2017.

Wrong.
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UAB's endowment was $449.3 million as of September 30, 2016, according to the financial report produced by the UA System in February 2017.

Source: http://uasystem.edu//wp-content/uploads/...-Final.pdf
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(01-28-2018 10:25 PM)eaglebeaver Wrote:  I just know I'm well endowed, even if my university isn't..04-cheers

Would that give new meaning to the term "dreamer"?03-lmfao
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