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RE: University Endowments
(01-29-2018 12:34 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  
(01-28-2018 03:14 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  new numbers are out

http://www.nacubo.org/Documents/research...lues-2.pdf

1). Rice rank #20 $5,814,444
2). Florida Atlantic rank #299 $215,954
3). ODU rank #301 $213,543
4). UTEP $212,206,545.70 http://www.utimco.org/scripts/PrivateEnd...mplist.asp
5). Charlotte rank #317 $202,793
6). Florida International rank #323 $196,281
7). north Texas state rank #366 $161,221
8). UTSA $157,800,126.48 http://www.utimco.org/scripts/PrivateEnd...mplist.asp
9). Western Kentucky rank #382 $152,539
10). Marshall rank # 422 $123,206
11). Middle Tennessee rank #473 $96,809
12). Southern Miss rank #480 $94,751


UAB not listed

LA Tech not listed

The Louisiana Legislative Auditor released within past few days the audit performed by a cpa firm in Shreveport which showed the Louisiana Tech endowment had assets of $32,393,350 as of fiscal year ending 6/30/2017.
From the report:
LOUISIANA TECH UNIVERSITY FOUNDATION. INC.
STATEMENTS OF FINANCIAL POSITION
JUNE 30. 2017 AND 2016
ASSETS 2017 2016
Cash and cash equivalents 15,965,061 15,109,517
Accounts receivable-Note 11 1,380,931 3,415,431
Contributions receivable, net-Note 6 5,760,035 1,558,664
Accrued interest receivable - 6,835
Investments-Notes 3 and 4 21,592,279 29,513,998
Fixed assets, net-Note 5 658,355 677,814
Other assets 395,088 347,961
Note receivable, long-term 11,054,000
Restricted assets-investments-Notes 3 and 4 42.951.643 40.234.258
Total assets 99.757.392 90.864.478

https://www.lla.la.gov/PublicReports.nsf...0170AD.pdf

Unless you are talking about net assets:
Net assets:
Unrestricted:
Undesignated 2,568,479 3,833,921
Invested in capital assets, net of related debt (925.596) (1.130.199)
1,642,883 2,703,722
Temporarily restricted-for specific purposes 10,709,327 17,216,265
Permanently restricted-endowment-Note 12 30.651.132 29.898.408
Total net assets 43.003.342 49.818.395

The net assets do not include Endowed chairs or professorships that received state matching funds though. Not sure where you got your $32,000,000 number. I thought it might be the endowed chairs and professorships that recieved the state matching funds, but that number doesn't match either:

"Funds administered by the Foundation on behalf of Louisiana Tech University are not commingled with funds belonging to the Foundation. Classified as amounts due to Louisiana Tech University at June 30, 2017 and 2016 is $38,771,643 and $36,234,258, respectively, related to certain endowed chairs and professorships matched by the State of Louisiana. Initially, the donor portion of these funds is recorded as contributions to the Foundation. Once the state matching is received, the donor portion is deducted from the permanently restricted, temporarily restricted, and unrestricted net assets of the Foundation and reflected as due to Louisiana Tech University. "
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RE: University Endowments
(01-29-2018 12:55 PM)randomprecision Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 12:34 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  
(01-28-2018 03:14 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  new numbers are out

http://www.nacubo.org/Documents/research...lues-2.pdf

1). Rice rank #20 $5,814,444
2). Florida Atlantic rank #299 $215,954
3). ODU rank #301 $213,543
4). UTEP $212,206,545.70 http://www.utimco.org/scripts/PrivateEnd...mplist.asp
5). Charlotte rank #317 $202,793
6). Florida International rank #323 $196,281
7). north Texas state rank #366 $161,221
8). UTSA $157,800,126.48 http://www.utimco.org/scripts/PrivateEnd...mplist.asp
9). Western Kentucky rank #382 $152,539
10). Marshall rank # 422 $123,206
11). Middle Tennessee rank #473 $96,809
12). Southern Miss rank #480 $94,751


UAB not listed

LA Tech not listed

The Louisiana Legislative Auditor released within past few days the audit performed by a cpa firm in Shreveport which showed the Louisiana Tech endowment had assets of $32,393,350 as of fiscal year ending 6/30/2017.

Wrong.

Are you saying the information reported by the auditors is wrong or that I am wrong in saying that is what they said?
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So Miss and MTSU certainly get a lot out of their investments. Goes to show you cant buy everything I guess.
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(01-29-2018 03:54 PM)monarx Wrote:  So Miss and MTSU certainly get a lot out of their investments. Goes to show you cant buy everything I guess.

UAB has pretty nice endowment considering we're still a relatively young school. But we aren't spending a significant amount from that on athletics, if any. It's mostly attributable to our med school, medical research, and hospital.
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RE: University Endowments
(01-29-2018 02:51 PM)DETLTU Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 12:34 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  
(01-28-2018 03:14 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  new numbers are out

http://www.nacubo.org/Documents/research...lues-2.pdf

1). Rice rank #20 $5,814,444
2). Florida Atlantic rank #299 $215,954
3). ODU rank #301 $213,543
4). UTEP $212,206,545.70 http://www.utimco.org/scripts/PrivateEnd...mplist.asp
5). Charlotte rank #317 $202,793
6). Florida International rank #323 $196,281
7). north Texas state rank #366 $161,221
8). UTSA $157,800,126.48 http://www.utimco.org/scripts/PrivateEnd...mplist.asp
9). Western Kentucky rank #382 $152,539
10). Marshall rank # 422 $123,206
11). Middle Tennessee rank #473 $96,809
12). Southern Miss rank #480 $94,751


UAB not listed

LA Tech not listed

The Louisiana Legislative Auditor released within past few days the audit performed by a cpa firm in Shreveport which showed the Louisiana Tech endowment had assets of $32,393,350 as of fiscal year ending 6/30/2017.
From the report:
LOUISIANA TECH UNIVERSITY FOUNDATION. INC.
STATEMENTS OF FINANCIAL POSITION
JUNE 30. 2017 AND 2016
ASSETS 2017 2016
Cash and cash equivalents 15,965,061 15,109,517
Accounts receivable-Note 11 1,380,931 3,415,431
Contributions receivable, net-Note 6 5,760,035 1,558,664
Accrued interest receivable - 6,835
Investments-Notes 3 and 4 21,592,279 29,513,998
Fixed assets, net-Note 5 658,355 677,814
Other assets 395,088 347,961
Note receivable, long-term 11,054,000
Restricted assets-investments-Notes 3 and 4 42.951.643 40.234.258
Total assets 99.757.392 90.864.478

https://www.lla.la.gov/PublicReports.nsf...0170AD.pdf

Unless you are talking about net assets:
Net assets:
Unrestricted:
Undesignated 2,568,479 3,833,921
Invested in capital assets, net of related debt (925.596) (1.130.199)
1,642,883 2,703,722
Temporarily restricted-for specific purposes 10,709,327 17,216,265
Permanently restricted-endowment-Note 12 30.651.132 29.898.408
Total net assets 43.003.342 49.818.395

The net assets do not include Endowed chairs or professorships that received state matching funds though. Not sure where you got your $32,000,000 number. I thought it might be the endowed chairs and professorships that recieved the state matching funds, but that number doesn't match either:

"Funds administered by the Foundation on behalf of Louisiana Tech University are not commingled with funds belonging to the Foundation. Classified as amounts due to Louisiana Tech University at June 30, 2017 and 2016 is $38,771,643 and $36,234,258, respectively, related to certain endowed chairs and professorships matched by the State of Louisiana. Initially, the donor portion of these funds is recorded as contributions to the Foundation. Once the state matching is received, the donor portion is deducted from the permanently restricted, temporarily restricted, and unrestricted net assets of the Foundation and reflected as due to Louisiana Tech University. "

If you check page 15, last figure bottom right, it states endowment net assets amount as $32,393,350 and explains the 2017 changes. That figure IS INCLUDED in the $38,771,643 Due to Louisiana Tech University as liability. The $32mil figure is accumulative and includes donations plus state matching funds that are owed to the school to pay for whatever the donor designated. By the way, did you guys finally find out how the new pressbox and suites were paid for? Well, foundation put up $11,050,000 which is to be paid back in whatever manner the athletic dept can afford. This would include rentals, etc but no set amount or schedule for payments. It is an interest bearing note though and could create a problem as principal increases if not paid.
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RE: University Endowments
(01-29-2018 04:00 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 02:51 PM)DETLTU Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 12:34 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  
(01-28-2018 03:14 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  new numbers are out

http://www.nacubo.org/Documents/research...lues-2.pdf

1). Rice rank #20 $5,814,444
2). Florida Atlantic rank #299 $215,954
3). ODU rank #301 $213,543
4). UTEP $212,206,545.70 http://www.utimco.org/scripts/PrivateEnd...mplist.asp
5). Charlotte rank #317 $202,793
6). Florida International rank #323 $196,281
7). north Texas state rank #366 $161,221
8). UTSA $157,800,126.48 http://www.utimco.org/scripts/PrivateEnd...mplist.asp
9). Western Kentucky rank #382 $152,539
10). Marshall rank # 422 $123,206
11). Middle Tennessee rank #473 $96,809
12). Southern Miss rank #480 $94,751


UAB not listed

LA Tech not listed

The Louisiana Legislative Auditor released within past few days the audit performed by a cpa firm in Shreveport which showed the Louisiana Tech endowment had assets of $32,393,350 as of fiscal year ending 6/30/2017.
From the report:
LOUISIANA TECH UNIVERSITY FOUNDATION. INC.
STATEMENTS OF FINANCIAL POSITION
JUNE 30. 2017 AND 2016
ASSETS 2017 2016
Cash and cash equivalents 15,965,061 15,109,517
Accounts receivable-Note 11 1,380,931 3,415,431
Contributions receivable, net-Note 6 5,760,035 1,558,664
Accrued interest receivable - 6,835
Investments-Notes 3 and 4 21,592,279 29,513,998
Fixed assets, net-Note 5 658,355 677,814
Other assets 395,088 347,961
Note receivable, long-term 11,054,000
Restricted assets-investments-Notes 3 and 4 42.951.643 40.234.258
Total assets 99.757.392 90.864.478

https://www.lla.la.gov/PublicReports.nsf...0170AD.pdf

Unless you are talking about net assets:
Net assets:
Unrestricted:
Undesignated 2,568,479 3,833,921
Invested in capital assets, net of related debt (925.596) (1.130.199)
1,642,883 2,703,722
Temporarily restricted-for specific purposes 10,709,327 17,216,265
Permanently restricted-endowment-Note 12 30.651.132 29.898.408
Total net assets 43.003.342 49.818.395

The net assets do not include Endowed chairs or professorships that received state matching funds though. Not sure where you got your $32,000,000 number. I thought it might be the endowed chairs and professorships that recieved the state matching funds, but that number doesn't match either:

"Funds administered by the Foundation on behalf of Louisiana Tech University are not commingled with funds belonging to the Foundation. Classified as amounts due to Louisiana Tech University at June 30, 2017 and 2016 is $38,771,643 and $36,234,258, respectively, related to certain endowed chairs and professorships matched by the State of Louisiana. Initially, the donor portion of these funds is recorded as contributions to the Foundation. Once the state matching is received, the donor portion is deducted from the permanently restricted, temporarily restricted, and unrestricted net assets of the Foundation and reflected as due to Louisiana Tech University. "

If you check page 15, last figure bottom right, it states endowment net assets amount as $32,393,350 and explains the 2017 changes. That figure IS INCLUDED in the $38,771,643 Due to Louisiana Tech University as liability. The $32mil figure is accumulative and includes donations plus state matching funds that are owed to the school to pay for whatever the donor designated. By the way, did you guys finally find out how the new pressbox and suites were paid for? Well, foundation put up $11,050,000 which is to be paid back in whatever manner the athletic dept can afford. This would include rentals, etc but no set amount or schedule for payments. It is an interest bearing note though and could create a problem as principal increases if not paid.
Actually they are not. I can see how you could misread that though.
Private endowed contributions received for professorships and chairs are included in endowed net assets. Certain endowed funds are provided by the State of Louisiana as a match to these qualifying private endowed contributions. Once the match is received, the private endowed funds along with the matching endowed funds are transferred to the Due to Louisiana Tech University liability account. These endowed assets are further subject to the investment and spending policies established by the Louisiana Board of Regents, which has statutory authority to administer the matching funds program.

In other words, the donations are included in the endowed net assets until the state matching is received, then they are transferred to the "Due to Louisiana Tech University" liability account.
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(01-29-2018 03:54 PM)monarx Wrote:  So Miss and MTSU certainly get a lot out of their investments. Goes to show you cant buy everything I guess.

Not really sure what this comment means? As in they have a small university endowment but their athletic programs do well? The reason Rice has such a large endowment is because we’re a private school and all university operations have to be paid for from interest, tuition and donations. USM gets almost half of their operating budget from state appropriations with the rest from tuition and fees.

USM spent 24 million on athletics in 2016 and 23.4M in 2017.
Rice total is around $27 million for 2017. The university supplies around half of that. Most of the budget is scholarships and remember Rice costs 5X what USM costs.
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RE: University Endowments
(01-29-2018 02:54 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 12:55 PM)randomprecision Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 12:34 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  
(01-28-2018 03:14 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  new numbers are out

http://www.nacubo.org/Documents/research...lues-2.pdf

1). Rice rank #20 $5,814,444
2). Florida Atlantic rank #299 $215,954
3). ODU rank #301 $213,543
4). UTEP $212,206,545.70 http://www.utimco.org/scripts/PrivateEnd...mplist.asp
5). Charlotte rank #317 $202,793
6). Florida International rank #323 $196,281
7). north Texas state rank #366 $161,221
8). UTSA $157,800,126.48 http://www.utimco.org/scripts/PrivateEnd...mplist.asp
9). Western Kentucky rank #382 $152,539
10). Marshall rank # 422 $123,206
11). Middle Tennessee rank #473 $96,809
12). Southern Miss rank #480 $94,751


UAB not listed

LA Tech not listed

The Louisiana Legislative Auditor released within past few days the audit performed by a cpa firm in Shreveport which showed the Louisiana Tech endowment had assets of $32,393,350 as of fiscal year ending 6/30/2017.

Wrong.

Are you saying the information reported by the auditors is wrong or that I am wrong in saying that is what they said?

I am saying you have no credibility on this board and essentially everything you submit is wrong with the first character you type. Is that simple enough for you?
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I love accounting arguments.

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(01-29-2018 03:54 PM)monarx Wrote:  So Miss and MTSU certainly get a lot out of their investments. Goes to show you cant buy everything I guess.

Are we talking football or education?
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clt says this is fake news.

clt is certain that Charlotte has more than 1M in endowment.
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(01-29-2018 10:27 PM)ghostofclt Wrote:  clt says this is fake news.

clt is certain that Charlotte has more than 1M in endowment.

The data is in $000s. So Charlotte's endowment is $202.8 million.
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(01-29-2018 11:01 PM)thefaU Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 10:27 PM)ghostofclt Wrote:  clt says this is fake news.

clt is certain that Charlotte has more than 1M in endowment.

The data is in $000s. So Charlotte's endowment is $202.8 million.


clt thanks you for rounding up.
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(01-29-2018 03:54 PM)monarx Wrote:  So Miss and MTSU certainly get a lot out of their investments. Goes to show you cant buy everything I guess.

Well, we know this. Getting in to MT isnt exceptionally difficult. If you can pull a 21 or 22 on the ACT you can be fairly confident you have a very good chance you will be accepted. The value of the education is more important at a school like this than the prestige it took to get in. Could I have gone somewhere more academically prestigious? Sure, but it was the right fit at the right time for me.

That said, I work in DC where Ivy League degrees are a dime a dozen. And I hold my own pretty well. And while I've worked with some insanely intelligent people over the years most of the Ivy Leaguers have only one thing I don't and that's the Ivy League network. Well, that and a trust fund.
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(01-29-2018 08:10 PM)randomprecision Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 02:54 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 12:55 PM)randomprecision Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 12:34 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  
(01-28-2018 03:14 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  new numbers are out

http://www.nacubo.org/Documents/research...lues-2.pdf

1). Rice rank #20 $5,814,444
2). Florida Atlantic rank #299 $215,954
3). ODU rank #301 $213,543
4). UTEP $212,206,545.70 http://www.utimco.org/scripts/PrivateEnd...mplist.asp
5). Charlotte rank #317 $202,793
6). Florida International rank #323 $196,281
7). north Texas state rank #366 $161,221
8). UTSA $157,800,126.48 http://www.utimco.org/scripts/PrivateEnd...mplist.asp
9). Western Kentucky rank #382 $152,539
10). Marshall rank # 422 $123,206
11). Middle Tennessee rank #473 $96,809
12). Southern Miss rank #480 $94,751


UAB not listed

LA Tech not listed

The Louisiana Legislative Auditor released within past few days the audit performed by a cpa firm in Shreveport which showed the Louisiana Tech endowment had assets of $32,393,350 as of fiscal year ending 6/30/2017.

Wrong.

Are you saying the information reported by the auditors is wrong or that I am wrong in saying that is what they said?

I am saying you have no credibility on this board and essentially everything you submit is wrong with the first character you type. Is that simple enough for you?

One doesnt need credibility if he is only quoting information provided by others, especially certified public accountants. Following the discussions here prove its useless to converse with individuals completely ignorant of assets, net assets, liabilities, net assets, endowments, & other accounting matters. My last word on the subject here.
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My endowment is bigger than your endowment! Haha!! Losers!!!
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(01-29-2015 11:42 AM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  Why can't we ever discuss something fun and something we should win. Like hottest coeds for example.

The hottest coeds come to rice because we're well-endowed.

This would be a fantastic joke if my daughter was not a freshman at Rice. Then again, your clever statement is all the proof I need that she made the right choice.
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(01-30-2018 03:57 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 08:10 PM)randomprecision Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 02:54 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 12:55 PM)randomprecision Wrote:  
(01-29-2018 12:34 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  The Louisiana Legislative Auditor released within past few days the audit performed by a cpa firm in Shreveport which showed the Louisiana Tech endowment had assets of $32,393,350 as of fiscal year ending 6/30/2017.

Wrong.

Are you saying the information reported by the auditors is wrong or that I am wrong in saying that is what they said?

I am saying you have no credibility on this board and essentially everything you submit is wrong with the first character you type. Is that simple enough for you?

One doesnt need credibility if he is only quoting information provided by others, especially certified public accountants. Following the discussions here prove its useless to converse with individuals completely ignorant of assets, net assets, liabilities, net assets, endowments, & other accounting matters. My last word on the subject here.

And don't forget net assets.
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(01-30-2018 05:43 PM)TheFIUtheproud Wrote:  
(01-29-2015 11:46 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(01-29-2015 11:42 AM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  Why can't we ever discuss something fun and something we should win. Like hottest coeds for example.

The hottest coeds come to rice because we're well-endowed.

This would be a fantastic joke if my daughter was not a freshman at Rice. Then again, your clever statement is all the proof I need that she made the right choice.

Congrats on your daughter. Both of my kids were wait-listed.
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(01-31-2018 12:31 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(01-30-2018 05:43 PM)TheFIUtheproud Wrote:  
(01-29-2015 11:46 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(01-29-2015 11:42 AM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  Why can't we ever discuss something fun and something we should win. Like hottest coeds for example.

The hottest coeds come to rice because we're well-endowed.

This would be a fantastic joke if my daughter was not a freshman at Rice. Then again, your clever statement is all the proof I need that she made the right choice.

Congrats on your daughter. Both of my kids were wait-listed.

My kids never finished the applicatiion, but did well at the places they ended up, one graduating summa *** laude.
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