(02-23-2015 03:16 PM)PirateJP Wrote:  

(02-23-2015 03:04 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(02-23-2015 02:52 PM)PirateJP Wrote:  And ECU actually signed a Home-Home deal with Marshall.

Wow, really don't like that idea.

Yeah we're all scratching our heads about that.

2020 in Greenville
2021 in Huntington

No need to schedule a series that far out, with Marshall.

I wouldn't have minded playing them last year and next year instead of NCCU and Towson but it wouldn't work out because of out lopsided scheduling with SEC teams. If the Marshall games are bumping out a P5 opponent then that sucks, but if they are replacing FCS opponents, it's fine.

I really don't think it's that big of a deal. We all love to hate on Marshall here but Cincinnati plays at Miami (OH) next season and Temple plays at Charlotte. UConn plays at UMass in 2016 and Houston played at UTSA in 2013.

You can make the argument against AAC teams playing Gof5 teams but that is the same argument we get all up in arms about when it looks like P5 games against us are going away (see threads about Duke/NCSU and UNC/Wake scheduling OOC games). If ECU is going to play P5 teams out of conference, which we haven't done a whole lot recently, it should probably be against USM/Marshall or maybe App State based on history.

Fans of the AAC see our conference as being unique (I don't know if this is right or wrong) in being between the P5 and other Gof5 conferences but we are talking out of both sides of our mouths. If the P5 not playing us is a bunch of BS then so is our schools not playing Gof5s. We scoff at the P5 for trying to create an exclusive club and separate themselves from us and then we want to do the same to Marshall and co.

(02-23-2015 01:09 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Landon is a hack

He always seems a little hysterical to me.

I think this is another example. The full cost of attendance imho isn't that big a deal, at least as presently envisioned, though I'm sure for a few schools it might be the end. But most of those programs probably have one foot in the grave anyway.

The real problem as I see it, and most everybody else too, is TV money and exposure via the big bowls, not the $700,000 per year for full cost of attendance.

(02-23-2015 04:02 PM)TheEastisPurple Wrote:  

(02-23-2015 03:16 PM)PirateJP Wrote:  

(02-23-2015 03:04 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(02-23-2015 02:52 PM)PirateJP Wrote:  And ECU actually signed a Home-Home deal with Marshall.

Wow, really don't like that idea.

Yeah we're all scratching our heads about that.

2020 in Greenville
2021 in Huntington

No need to schedule a series that far out, with Marshall.

I wouldn't have minded playing them last year and next year instead of NCCU and Towson but it wouldn't work out because of out lopsided scheduling with SEC teams. If the Marshall games are bumping out a P5 opponent then that sucks, but if they are replacing FCS opponents, it's fine.

I really don't think it's that big of a deal. We all love to hate on Marshall here but Cincinnati plays at Miami (OH) next season and Temple plays at Charlotte. UConn plays at UMass in 2016 and Houston played at UTSA in 2013.

You can make the argument against AAC teams playing Gof5 teams but that is the same argument we get all up in arms about when it looks like P5 games against us are going away (see threads about Duke/NCSU and UNC/Wake scheduling OOC games). If ECU is going to play P5 teams out of conference, which we haven't done a whole lot recently, it should probably be against USM/Marshall or maybe App State based on history.

Fans of the AAC see our conference as being unique (I don't know if this is right or wrong) in being between the P5 and other Gof5 conferences but we are talking out of both sides of our mouths. If the P5 not playing us is a bunch of BS then so is our schools not playing Gof5s. We scoff at the P5 for trying to create an exclusive club and separate themselves from us and then we want to do the same to Marshall and co.

I just find everything about Marshall to be tasteless......

(02-23-2015 04:07 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(02-23-2015 01:09 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Landon is a hack

He always seems a little hysterical to me.

I think this is another example. The full cost of attendance imho isn't that big a deal, at least as presently envisioned, though I'm sure for a few schools it might be the end. But most of those programs probably have one foot in the grave anyway.

The real problem as I see it, and most everybody else too, is TV money and exposure via the big bowls, not the $700,000 per year for full cost of attendance.

Right --- it's the differences in money and being locked out of the national championship that will hang the G5s, not 'cost of attendance.' Multiple millions versus 700K. I think Landon just periodically gets his name out there --- since it pays the bills.

(02-23-2015 01:26 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/x2...g.comments

Quote:The problem appears to be the American Athletic Conference. For some reason it still believes it could join the P5 cartel. So, the AAC definitely is going to fund the cost of attendance allotments.

But that's easier for the AAC because it's the biggest of the G5 leagues with an average enrollment of 38,747 among its eight public universities. The AAC has five of the six biggest schools in the G5, enrollment-wise....

Compare the student fees UCF reaps from its 60,810 enrollment compared to Marshall's at 12,350. That's why MU is falling farther and farther behind.

The USA Today database shows Marshall was in the black during 2006-2011 with a subsidy of only 45.5 percent. But in 2012-13, MU's athletic department was in deficit despite a heightened subsidy rate of 52.42 percent.

Nobody needs to ask that other Chuck named Schwab if the cost of attendance is a bad idea for the Group of Five, in general, and Marshall, in particular.

It's obvious.

The G5 is trying to live a champagne lifestyle on a beer budget.

It can't cash a reality check.

Marshall is so butthurt it's funny...

Holy cow, I can't believe they actually put that in writing. They make it sound like it's outrageous that we want to keep up with the P5, then they spell out the exact reasons why we probably CAN keep up... (at least to some degree...) and the other can't. Too funny...

I didn't realize Marsha was third to last in enrollment in the G5 schools. To me that little fact is something that schools should consider when deciding what their realistic expectations for football are. Unless you are a private school with a very large endowment, maybe you don't belong at the big boy football table if your enrollment is barely over 12000. Stay in a small conference, play with smaller schools, sign one and done games for a big revenue bump and pull the upset every so often while focusing on basketball. Don't be mad because the other schools can afford something you can't.

(02-23-2015 04:02 PM)TheEastisPurple Wrote:  

(02-23-2015 03:16 PM)PirateJP Wrote:  

(02-23-2015 03:04 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(02-23-2015 02:52 PM)PirateJP Wrote:  And ECU actually signed a Home-Home deal with Marshall.

Wow, really don't like that idea.

Yeah we're all scratching our heads about that.

2020 in Greenville
2021 in Huntington

No need to schedule a series that far out, with Marshall.

I wouldn't have minded playing them last year and next year instead of NCCU and Towson but it wouldn't work out because of out lopsided scheduling with SEC teams. If the Marshall games are bumping out a P5 opponent then that sucks, but if they are replacing FCS opponents, it's fine.

I really don't think it's that big of a deal. We all love to hate on Marshall here but Cincinnati plays at Miami (OH) next season and Temple plays at Charlotte. UConn plays at UMass in 2016 and Houston played at UTSA in 2013.

You can make the argument against AAC teams playing Gof5 teams but that is the same argument we get all up in arms about when it looks like P5 games against us are going away (see threads about Duke/NCSU and UNC/Wake scheduling OOC games). If ECU is going to play P5 teams out of conference, which we haven't done a whole lot recently, it should probably be against USM/Marshall or maybe App State based on history.

Fans of the AAC see our conference as being unique (I don't know if this is right or wrong) in being between the P5 and other Gof5 conferences but we are talking out of both sides of our mouths. If the P5 not playing us is a bunch of BS then so is our schools not playing Gof5s. We scoff at the P5 for trying to create an exclusive club and separate themselves from us and then we want to do the same to Marshall and co.

I understand what you see as a moral quandary, but I think that when there is a micro economy/oligarchical situation rules and morals change quite a bit. Not saying you're not right, but It's just not the same as if there were millions of teams.

(02-23-2015 02:07 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Time for a new label for the aac and mwc. P5, G3, and the silver 2? S2?

I like that...lets make it happen by doing it on here

(02-23-2015 06:22 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-23-2015 02:07 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Time for a new label for the aac and mwc. P5, G3, and the silver 2? S2?

I like that...lets make it happen by doing it on here

I like the "Mid-2", or the M2...

M2's are also really nice BMW's so that's a plus.

Oh Chuckie Landon....you are so....

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So based on Landon, FBS is now this...........


P5
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AAC
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my prediction: it'll eventually be 7 conferences with 5 making the vast majority of $ (cartel 5) and two others the MWC and AAC still hanging around. The mac, cusa and sunbelt will fall into the FCS....the mac has a unique situation where there's many big, academically sound schools with long football histories in the football crazed Midwest. Maybe SOME of those MAC schools will be able to make it but several of the current MAC schools won't. The Sun Belt and CUSA are toast (sorry Rice and UTEP). The MWC has one huge advantage over the "little 3" and maybe even the AAC in that HALF their schools are located in states with no cartel school represention: flagships Wyoming, new Mexico, Hawaii, Nevada and UNLV and Boise St. They'll be ok even if a few of their schools don't make it (a San Jose St for example) just my opinion/prediction. If the AAC doesn't lose any schools, they along with the MWC will still be in the game so to speak, for the long term. Maybe still far away from the cartel leagues in revenues, but still in the game. cheers

THe M2 d-idea is a very good idea. There should also be loose cooperation between those two conference for out of conference scheduling. It is very Marshall to worry about the 700k problem when the 5M a year problem is the issue

We are different than the G4. I see nothing wrong with that.

you want to dance you got to pay the band...if the other G5's don't want to or can't, too bad. That's life.

(02-23-2015 06:22 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-23-2015 02:07 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Time for a new label for the aac and mwc. P5, G3, and the silver 2? S2?

I like that...lets make it happen by doing it on here

We already have --- Remember last year. First it was we'll sue if they split, then it was the "P5" doesn't exist, then it exists but it's "the cartel," then it was the P5 is really the P6. And somewhere in there we were renamed the "Challenger Conference". All 'made to happen' right here ---

(02-23-2015 01:40 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Actually Landon just made the case why Marshall absolutely does NOT belong in the AAC. Thank you, Mr. Landon.

^^ This.

(02-23-2015 10:45 PM)Tiger-n-Bear Wrote:  

(02-23-2015 01:40 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Actually Landon just made the case why Marshall absolutely does NOT belong in the AAC. Thank you, Mr. Landon.

^^ This.

Bingo

(02-23-2015 10:45 PM)Tiger-n-Bear Wrote:  

(02-23-2015 01:40 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Actually Landon just made the case why Marshall absolutely does NOT belong in the AAC. Thank you, Mr. Landon.

^^ This.

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(02-23-2015 10:55 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(02-23-2015 10:45 PM)Tiger-n-Bear Wrote:  

(02-23-2015 01:40 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Actually Landon just made the case why Marshall absolutely does NOT belong in the AAC. Thank you, Mr. Landon.

^^ This.

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