There are some realistic albeit unlikely possibilities where that scenario could occur int he not too distant future.

(04-23-2015 05:49 PM)SlyFox Wrote:  There are some realistic albeit unlikely possibilities where that scenario could occur int he not too distant future.

Sly, that a pretty vanilla statement. Care to expand what possibilities you either feel, have a yearning for or, have inside info, or hope to happen>

Is that a scenario where we go independent or a scenario that gets us into a conference?

That's what I was wondering as well.

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Those scenarios involve changes at the P5 level that would result in trickle-down impacts at the G5 level opening up opportunities for us to slide into an existing G5 league. Head over to the Realignment board and you can see countless scenarios explained primarily around B1G & Big XII starting the fun.

I did mention they were unlikely ... just plausable.

You are correct in that Big Ten and Big 12 expansion is unlikely in my opinion. I don't know why the Big Ten would add anyone right now since their options are limited with the grant of rights of every other conference. The Big 12 would be choosing the best of a bad group. They can afford to wait.

I hope conference championship deregulation happens but there is still a minimum of twelve schools required.

Plenty of legal analysts openly question how the Big XII GOR would stand up in court if challenged. Kansas, Oklahoma & Texas all are likely B1G targets in addition to the leftovers like UConn.

Not that I feel that the Big Ten is/would be vulnerable but if they plucked any number of schools from the Big 12 (or any other conference with a grant of rights) and had the grant of rights overturned then what would keep other conferences from doing the same to the Big Ten?

Finances. Keep in mind that the SEC has no GOR.

I just can't see the sec and PAC voting for deregulation. There's no benefit for them doing so. It would allow the big 12 to divide TV money to lesser amount of schools increasing the payout to well over what the sec and PAC pays. If I remember reading correctly the big 12 has the highest payout per school. The other conferences won't put their approval on that.

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I was reading the message boards and I too had the initial impression that the SEC didn't have a grant of rights but apparently that's an urban myth. They allegedly have a grant of rights with their media partners instead of with the conference. But I'm just repeating second hand information from a message board so who knows how accurate it all is.

I'm thinking independence or a new start up conference with other independents and FCS risers will be the answer.... with NCAA waivers of course.

(04-25-2015 09:18 PM)army56mike Wrote:  I'm thinking independence or a new start up conference with other independents and FCS risers will be the answer.... with NCAA waivers of course.

How long does LU wait to get an invite before the indy quest?

(04-25-2015 09:18 PM)army56mike Wrote:  I'm thinking independence or a new start up conference with other independents and FCS risers will be the answer.... with NCAA waivers of course.

I think to form a conference, you need at least six members who have all played each other in football for the past four years or something crazy like that. And when that happens, you forfeit NCAA tournament money your first eight years or something like that too. So you better really want to be in a new conference and be prepared to be there for the long haul.

(04-25-2015 09:41 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  

(04-25-2015 09:18 PM)army56mike Wrote:  I'm thinking independence or a new start up conference with other independents and FCS risers will be the answer.... with NCAA waivers of course.

I think to form a conference, you need at least six members who have all played each other in football for the past four years or something crazy like that. And when that happens, you forfeit NCAA tournament money your first eight years or something like that too. So you better really want to be in a new conference and be prepared to be there for the long haul.

It's sexy to talk about a new conference, and when it develops from talk to action, lots of moving and changing parts trying to get several teams on the same page with similar enough resources and sufficiently close objectives. As appealing as a regional conference with potentially strong nearby rivals, that is at best a possibility after LU is indy. It would be a major undertaking to have enough teams agree to be united in a new conference, and to make the necessary required forfeits

Keep in mind the WAC situation ... it would be easy for the NCAA to use the dissolution of WAC football as an excuse to allow a one-time waiver for a league to be added at FBS level. That is why the idea of the CAA stepping up together was so appealing as it would eliminate the concerns of losing auto bids for all sports in the interim. But that idea doesn't seem to be generating much energy. Of course, the WAC could take another shot at using its FBS exemption to create a new league under its branding. It remains highly unlikely at this stage. But if the door slams shut on any more FBS additions, then WAC-East becomes a viable option once again.

Just how many schools would be willing to be in a "WAC-E" conference? (Pun intended)

Liberty, Jacksonville State, and Eastern Kentucky all want to move up and they don't particularly care how it seems. JMU wants to move up but on their terms. Would they join a conference like that? Could they convince someone like Delaware to also make a move? Would Coastal Carolina be interested in FBS? If all of those said yes, you'd only need a couple schools like UMass, New Mexico State, and Idaho to get a solid number of schools. I just don't know if there are enough FCS schools wishing to move up to FBS to make a new conference.

(04-26-2015 02:57 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  Just how many schools would be willing to be in a "WAC-E" conference? (Pun intended)

Liberty, Jacksonville State, and Eastern Kentucky all want to move up and they don't particularly care how it seems. JMU wants to move up but on their terms. Would they join a conference like that? Could they convince someone like Delaware to also make a move? Would Coastal Carolina be interested in FBS? If all of those said yes, you'd only need a couple schools like UMass, New Mexico State, and Idaho to get a solid number of schools. I just don't know if there are enough FCS schools wishing to move up to FBS to make a new conference.

As the very long shot that it is, and in that most optimistic hope that it could occur, if it ever was just announced with several schools openly committing, it could happen if schools see this is their best, and maybe only hope to be FBS.

Schools like Coastal who have been mentioned, and likely others who have seen the journey and position of JMU, LU, EKU who've all announced their intention, and none have become FBS for whatever reason, make say we have to do this or else stay FCS perpetually.

(04-26-2015 02:35 PM)SlyFox Wrote:  Keep in mind the WAC situation ... it would be easy for the NCAA to use the dissolution of WAC football as an excuse to allow a one-time waiver for a league to be added at FBS level. That is why the idea of the CAA stepping up together was so appealing as it would eliminate the concerns of losing auto bids for all sports in the interim. But that idea doesn't seem to be generating much energy. Of course, the WAC could take another shot at using its FBS exemption to create a new league under its branding. It remains highly unlikely at this stage. But if the door slams shut on any more FBS additions, then WAC-East becomes a viable option once again.

And Sly, if you have a crystal ball or hunch or intuition, and this happens, you get a gold star.

We had similar discussions about a WAC-E a couple of years ago. It never mateerialized because of all the openings that appeared in C-USA & the Sun Belt that consumed some of our likely partners such as ODU, Charlotte, App State & Georgia Southern. It still remains quite a long shot to put it lightly. But if everyone believe the door has finally been slammed shut, this might yet happen.