(08-11-2015 11:13 AM)Policiious Wrote:  When the B10 goes to 16, UConn should be high on their list of candidates especially if successful athletic history means anything.

For an AAU school with a good FB pedigree, a successful athletic history would definitely be a plus.

I think the Florida State thing is very overblown. I think their fans want to have their cake and eat it too.

No less a source than Bobby Bowden himself has stated publicly that they chose the ACC over the SEC in the first place precisely because they felt it gave them a better opportunity to compete for national championships every year. Obviously, that plan has worked to perfection.

However, it seems ridiculous to me to enjoy that level of success - which is more than the FSU ever had as an independent - and then turn around and recriminate the schools that you have consistently beaten up on for not being better.

Schools like Duke and Wake Forest were just as private in 1990 as they are today. As for the expansion choices, again FSU's leadership voted in favor of adding all of those schools.

I don't get the controversy here at all?

Is the ACC the SEC? The answer to that question is obviously no. The ACC never has been the SEC and the ACC never will be the SEC. It's programs simply lack the infrastructure to pull that off. The league's are almost all smaller than the average SEC school and many of them are located in or near professional sports markets.

That's just life. Get over it.

Getting upset with that fact is, well, stupid and tantamount to fans of Boston College getting upset with Florida State because Tallahassee doesn't have a Major League Baseball team.

If you would rather be in the SEC than the ACC, then go contact the SEC. Who knows, maybe they will take you? However, you had your choice 25 years ago and you chose the ACC, which was ostensibly in the same position then that it is now.

I just have a very difficult time feeling badly for a school which has used the ACC to achieve so much success but which is now turning around and crying about it. That seems like such a monumentally stupid mentality that it is impossible for me to muster up any empathy whatsoever for those whack jobs.

I hope the ACC keeps the status quo with regard to membership and divisional alignment. With the success the league has enjoyed across the board over the past few years, I think it is clearly working very well for the ACC and I think it would be very foolish to move away from this model.

(08-11-2015 10:40 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-11-2015 10:21 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(08-11-2015 09:55 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(08-11-2015 09:47 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(08-11-2015 09:37 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  Again, all have a schedule full of the best teams in the nation.

Oh, and it also has absolutely nothing to do with having a shot at the p5. UConn was averaging capacity when Pitt and Syracuse were plucked from the Big East. It certainly didn't matter then.

No team in the nation is going to sell out every game during its worst season in its history playing the likes of the American conference 1 year removed from being demoted from a BCS conference.

Period.

My point is to show the passion as other P5. You say it's hard for anyone to show up for games during a losing season which is true but UCONN is the one trying to get into the P5, that alone should be enough motivation. UCONN hasn't been at the FBS level for to long so it does take time to build that culture & mentality.

I'm at every game (except the garbage SMU game to end year. No way I was going to subject myself to that torture). I'm sure almost every internet message board poster is at every game. These aren't average fans.

Average fans are not going to attend games in which they know their team is terrible and know absolutely nothing about the opponent.

It's no kidding UConn needs to get fans in the stands to get back to its normal rate. But the expectation that the rate should have never dropped is insane.

23,422 attended the Louisville - Rutgers game in 2009, well below Louisville's standard as well. Guess what - they started winning again and the fans came back.

Some things do not change despite of the conference you are affiliated in. It is just reality.

EDIT: I hope I'm not coming off confrontational. Just trying to have a discussion. I appreciate that you aren't one of the Lville fans that just completely trash our program.

You haven't been confrontational at all, I have enjoyed this discussion. A lot of what you say is true but this is just my opinion of what I think UCONN needs to do. FSU wants large fan bases that travel, not that ours is huge but has shown consistent growth. UCONN just isn't there right now but has the potential to be. UCONN needs more fans like you.

I'm not an FSU fan, but I'm not sure that's really true. I suspect they would prefer to have conference opponents who are strong enough that they can fill the stadium with more of their own fans rather than rely on visitors to travel to Tallahassee. Many of their fans stay home when division opponents like BC, Syracuse and Wake Forest come to town, and I think that would be at least equally true of UConn.

That's kinda my point, they're enough of WF, BC & Cuses in the ACC. UCONN doesn't help with that. FSU wants football brands that can at least sell out there allotment. Who doesn't want to play teams like Bama & Ohio St? Would having more VT & GT hurt?

(08-11-2015 11:39 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I think the Florida State thing is very overblown. I think their fans want to have their cake and eat it too.

No less a source than Bobby Bowden himself has stated publicly that they chose the ACC over the SEC in the first place precisely because they felt it gave them a better opportunity to compete for national championships every year. Obviously, that plan has worked to perfection.

However, it seems ridiculous to me to enjoy that level of success - which is more than the FSU ever had as an independent - and then turn around and recriminate the schools that you have consistently beaten up on for not being better.

Schools like Duke and Wake Forest were just as private in 1990 as they are today. As for the expansion choices, again FSU's leadership voted in favor of adding all of those schools.

I don't get the controversy here at all?

Is the ACC the SEC? The answer to that question is obviously no. The ACC never has been the SEC and the ACC never will be the SEC. It's programs simply lack the infrastructure to pull that off. The league's are almost all smaller than the average SEC school and many of them are located in or near professional sports markets.

That's just life. Get over it.

Getting upset with that fact is, well, stupid and tantamount to fans of Boston College getting upset with Florida State because Tallahassee doesn't have a Major League Baseball team.

If you would rather be in the SEC than the ACC, then go contact the SEC. Who knows, maybe they will take you? However, you had your choice 25 years ago and you chose the ACC, which was ostensibly in the same position then that it is now.

I just have a very difficult time feeling badly for a school which has used the ACC to achieve so much success but which is now turning around and crying about it. That seems like such a monumentally stupid mentality that it is impossible for me to muster up any empathy whatsoever for those whack jobs.

I hope the ACC keeps the status quo with regard to membership and divisional alignment. With the success the league has enjoyed across the board over the past few years, I think it is clearly working very well for the ACC and I think it would be very foolish to move away from this model.

To be honest, I expect that the school itself and its athletics representatives are doing a lot less crying than some of their fans. It may be a case where they give the league private assurances that they are happy, even when they have do a little ass-kissing for their whackier fans (and Trustees).

Being on the left coast, I don't understand all the talk about a G5 program