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RE: Pivotal season for ACC football in 2015
(04-30-2015 03:01 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  
(04-30-2015 02:25 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  As far as State College goes. Every decade NC State will get to the precipice of football success and some **** will happen. It's been like this since 1957. We were near the pinnacle in 57, 67, the mid 70's, early 90's before FSU entered the league, 2002-04. 2010. Each time **** happened.

Now remember, NC State did not even have a legitimate football stadium until 1966. We had to play UNC and Duke in Chapel Hill and Durham. In 57 we lost the Orange Bowl bid due to an all sports probation engineered by Kentucky over basketball. In 1967, we were one score at Clemson from being ranked number 1 in late October. In 1979 we lost the Gator Bowl bid on a 54 yard fg kicked into a 35 mph wind by PSU to beat us 9-7. In the late 80's and early 90's we lost three ACC titles in games where our starting QB was knocked out - then FSU joined. In 2002, we became ultra conservative against GT after a 9-0 start and lost a one score game. In 2003 we lost at Ohio State on the last play of the game after two QB dives were stopped - one questionable. In 2004 the same dame thing happened against Ohio State in Raleigh. In 2010, our Coach decided to punt to Clemson in the 4th quarter with us down by one and 4 minutes to play - effectively giving away our shot at the Atlantic and the Orange Bowl.

The same phenomena happens to UNC but the pivotal loss is usually a clear loss - Notre Dame in 75, Oklahoma in 1981, Clemson in 81, Pitt in 1982, FSU twice in the 90's. (well to be fair, Joe Montana beat UNC in the 4th, and Clemson beat UNC on a blocked punt, and at Pitt Dick Crum was so dam conservative that UNC lost 6-7 of 6-14 IIRC.

In almost all the cases, UNC and NC State had 2-3 fewer play makers than the other squad. Where were those needed playmakers - in Chapel Hill or Raleigh.

UNC has not had a true professional QB in 50 years. We have had 5. We have had only 2 NFL defensive ends in the last 35 years. UNC has had a dozen.

If WF and ECU did not play as the FBS level, UNC and State would be more productive. But even at that - UNC is essentially now a girls schools with high overall academics and NC State is a science oriented STEM. Neither are a full-service, all offerings university.

I think this is a legit reason why no North Carolina school will ever become a truly elite program...why you won't see them ascend to LSU or Oregon type levels. Expecting them to do that is probably too much.

However, I don't think that it is impossible for one of them to establish themselves as THE place to play football in the state, and have a consistently ranked team that makes an occasional top 10 run. I don't think it's unreasonable for one of them to become what Oklahoma State has become under Gundy. And that's with sharing a tiny state with an all time dominant king, and a pretty legitimate third program in Tulsa.

I think however that your post is good for keeping expectations realistic. I think there is some fantasy that one of them becomes the new Oregon, and that's probably not going to happen.

They can not establish themselves as the place to play football in NC. The makeup of the campus, the split of academic offerings between NC State and UNC is such that it's not likely. Unlike most universities UNC and NC State have a very hard and fast wall of separation between certain disciplines that are not allowed to be duplicated at the other institution. They are two halves of a whole. UNC has no ag programs, no extension programs, no engineering, no architecture, no design, and no Vet school. NC State has no med school, law school, nursing school, and very few liberal arts that are funded to the level that liberal arts are funded at UNC-Ch. This was a conscious decision made by the NC General Assembly in 1931 to prevent competition between the two. The practical effect was to boost certain programs at Duke, WF, Elon, and Campbell University.
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RE: Pivotal season for ACC football in 2015
(04-30-2015 03:36 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(04-30-2015 03:20 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(04-30-2015 02:25 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  The same phenomena happens to UNC but the pivotal loss is usually a clear loss - Notre Dame in 75, Oklahoma in 1981, Clemson in 81, Pitt in 1982, FSU twice in the 90's. (well to be fair, Joe Montana beat UNC in the 4th, and Clemson beat UNC on a blocked punt, and at Pitt Dick Crum was so dam conservative that UNC lost 6-7 of 6-14 IIRC.

It was actually a lost lateral in the backfield, but don't let anything like facts get in your way. Lord knows you never have before.

Kap, your personal obsession with me is comical. The game was 35 years ago and as I was on the outer banks chasing a girl at the time I am lucky to remember any of it. However what beat UNC was the inability to capitalize on the muffed punt;

"The Tigers led 10-8 heading into the fourth period.

In the fourth quarter, North Carolina again had an opportunity to take the lead following a muffed punt by Billy Davis at the Clemson 37. After gaining just four yards on first and second down, the Tar Heels hopes for taking the lead were dashed when freshman nose guard William Perry broke through and sacked quarterback Scott Stankavage for a 10-yard loss."

There was also a play in the first half IIRC that went in Clemson's favor near the endzone, perhaps you will regale us with the full details.

So
Quote:and Clemson beat UNC on a blocked punt
is the same as
Quote: However what beat UNC was the inability to capitalize on the muffed punt

And the part of the Clemson Athletics article you quoted was accurate (for once.....but you should have linked it) but it wasn't UNC's last opportunity.

http://www.clemsontigers.com/ViewArticle...=209671838

Quote:After moving the ball out from the shadow of their own goal post , the Tar Heels found themselves with a first down at their own 40 thanks to a 12-yard scramble by Stankavage on third-and-10 from the two, then a nine-yard pass to wide receiver Ron Richardson and a 14-yard pass to Anthony.

With just over a minute to play and one timeout left, the Tar Heels called a screen pass to fullback Alex Burrus. Stankavage threw the ball behind the line of scrimmage and when Burrus went to make the catch, defensive end Bill Smith met him, knocking the ball to the ground.

The ball rolled 15 yards backwards towards the Clemson sideline, and that is where defensive tackle Jeff Bryant jumped on the football at the UNC 25-yard line.

Quote:The pass was ruled a lateral, and by jumping on the loose football Bryant secured Clemson’s 10-8 victory in front of a then record crowd at Kenan Stadium of 53,611. But, what people don’t recall is who actually caused the fumble.

That would be Bill Smith, a current member of the Clemson University Board of Trustees.

“They were moving the ball down the field, and all they needed was a field goal to win,” Smith said. “That was just a timely play that happened.”


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Blocked punt = muffed punt Two separate kinds of miscues

Sack on 2nd to last drive important Red Zone fumble inside of 2 min important


And I'm not obsessed with you, I just want people who are not familiar with the history of the ACC to hear the real history, not some fantasy created by someone who once advocated adding Canadian teams to the ACC.
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I remember that 1981 Clemson/UNC game. It made the cover of Sports Illustrated, IIRC. Great game.
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Best thread ever. I've been following ACC football, long before UofL was invited to join the conference. I've always had a bit of interest in FSU, Clemson and GT.

A few of my observatons/thoughts: First, Dave Doeren is a bright coach, and one that I think that is very capable of turning NC State into a strong and consistent program. For years most observers have considered UNC to be the sleeping giant among the Carolina schools. Not so. This should be a very interesting season for the Pack. Jacoby Brissett and Matt Dayes will return, and the non conference is very light this season. I may get plenty of disagreement from my fellow Cards fans, but I think the wolfpack will challenge the top three in the Atlantic. I'll be in Raleigh for the Cards and Pack this season, and fully expect a hell of a fight.

What to with Virginia Tech. Beamer has plenty of talent returning on both sides, but clearly this is turning into a similar situation with what FSU endured during the twilight years of Bowden. I like what the Hokies return, but just cannot see them winning the coastal this year. If the injury bug stays away, and the backfield produces, VT could win +8 and make a strong run at the ACC title game. Either way, VT is a football school, and I cannot imagine that the school, alum, fans would tolerate the Hokies going from a major power to a middleweight following Beamer's eventual retirement. And, IMO, VT is one the flagships for ACC football, along with FSU, Clemson, and GT.

I think Miami is done for the long term. The results on the field are underwhelming, their commitment to long term success seems shaky. Their is absolutely no interest in rectifying the stadium situation. As such, the Canes will continue to play in front of 30K to 50K fans at a professional stadium. That's not big time football. Pitt is in a similar situation, but at least Heinz Field is adjacent to downtown Pitt and near to the Pitt campus. Plus, the hiring of Pat Narduzzi was one of the better off season hirings. Pitt has plenty of returning studs, and I think they could be a surprise team this season.

To a newcomer to the conference, and a former outside observer, FSU and Clemson are the royalty. The level of talent both programs can attract, the stadiums/facilities, tailgating, fan support etc, put both on par with the big boys of the SEC. Below the top rung, and capable of big seasons are: GT, VT (although the future is uncertain), UofL.

Totally agree with an earlier observation regarding Duke: they are the type of program we hoped UNC could aspire to. Cutcliffe is the heart and soul of Duke, and the Devils will continue to be successful as long as DC remains in Durham. Duke football reminds me of an ACC version of Northwestern, or at least when NW was winning consistently.

In regards to BC, Syracuse and UVA. I'm a big fan of Steve Addazio. I agree with an earlier though, BC football seems to get shafted by the school. As long as Addazio remains at BC, the Eagles will play gritty and remain in contention for 6-7 win seasons, with occasionally better. Not top of the Atlantic, but certainly a type of program that has bought into a blue collar philosophy. Syracuse and UVA will, more than likely, be replacing head coaches at season's end. Honestly cannot see either with winning seasons, let alone showing signs of progress.
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To answer the OP's question, can an ACC team, other than FSU, make the playoffs? I say, yes, it's possible, but not probable. Clemson or GT seem to have the best shot after the Noles, but both have question marks. Clemson is facing a pretty tough schedule with FSU, ND, UofL and a road game to that inferior program down the road in Columbia.

Georgia Tech can claim a difficult schedule as well, with road trips to ND,Clemson, Duke and Miami, and a cross divisional date with the Noles.
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(05-01-2015 12:58 AM)LaurelCardsFan Wrote:  Best thread ever. I've been following ACC football, long before UofL was invited to join the conference. I've always had a bit of interest in FSU, Clemson and GT.

A few of my observatons/thoughts: First, Dave Doeren is a bright coach, and one that I think that is very capable of turning NC State into a strong and consistent program. For years most observers have considered UNC to be the sleeping giant among the Carolina schools. Not so. This should be a very interesting season for the Pack. Jacoby Brissett and Matt Dayes will return, and the non conference is very light this season. I may get plenty of disagreement from my fellow Cards fans, but I think the wolfpack will challenge the top three in the Atlantic. I'll be in Raleigh for the Cards and Pack this season, and fully expect a hell of a fight.

What to with Virginia Tech. Beamer has plenty of talent returning on both sides, but clearly this is turning into a similar situation with what FSU endured during the twilight years of Bowden. I like what the Hokies return, but just cannot see them winning the coastal this year. If the injury bug stays away, and the backfield produces, VT could win +8 and make a strong run at the ACC title game. Either way, VT is a football school, and I cannot imagine that the school, alum, fans would tolerate the Hokies going from a major power to a middleweight following Beamer's eventual retirement. And, IMO, VT is one the flagships for ACC football, along with FSU, Clemson, and GT.

I think Miami is done for the long term. The results on the field are underwhelming, their commitment to long term success seems shaky. Their is absolutely no interest in rectifying the stadium situation. As such, the Canes will continue to play in front of 30K to 50K fans at a professional stadium. That's not big time football. Pitt is in a similar situation, but at least Heinz Field is adjacent to downtown Pitt and near to the Pitt campus. Plus, the hiring of Pat Narduzzi was one of the better off season hirings. Pitt has plenty of returning studs, and I think they could be a surprise team this season.

To a newcomer to the conference, and a former outside observer, FSU and Clemson are the royalty. The level of talent both programs can attract, the stadiums/facilities, tailgating, fan support etc, put both on par with the big boys of the SEC. Below the top rung, and capable of big seasons are: GT, VT (although the future is uncertain), UofL.

Totally agree with an earlier observation regarding Duke: they are the type of program we hoped UNC could aspire to. Cutcliffe is the heart and soul of Duke, and the Devils will continue to be successful as long as DC remains in Durham. Duke football reminds me of an ACC version of Northwestern, or at least when NW was winning consistently.

In regards to BC, Syracuse and UVA. I'm a big fan of Steve Addazio. I agree with an earlier though, BC football seems to get shafted by the school. As long as Addazio remains at BC, the Eagles will play gritty and remain in contention for 6-7 win seasons, with occasionally better. Not top of the Atlantic, but certainly a type of program that has bought into a blue collar philosophy. Syracuse and UVA will, more than likely, be replacing head coaches at season's end. Honestly cannot see either with winning seasons, let alone showing signs of progress.

Your remark about Cutcliffe is appropriate. For the past 40 years or more, Duke has had football success twice. First, when they snagged Steve Spurrier as coach, and now under Cut. Their success under Spurrier evaporated quickly, and after his departure they probably hit their lowest point ever. Spurrier has won everywhere he has coached. But he didn't stay long at Duke, and that lack of longevity/continuity may have contributed to their inability to sustain success.

I doubt Cut is going anywhere else, so there is a chance his health will permit him to stay in Durham for another 7-10 years if he wants. If he were to leave now, I doubt Duke would stay where they are competitively. But if he has a tenure approaching 15 years, then there is a good chance that Duke's success won't evaporate.
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(04-30-2015 03:57 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(04-30-2015 03:36 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(04-30-2015 03:20 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(04-30-2015 02:25 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  The same phenomena happens to UNC but the pivotal loss is usually a clear loss - Notre Dame in 75, Oklahoma in 1981, Clemson in 81, Pitt in 1982, FSU twice in the 90's. (well to be fair, Joe Montana beat UNC in the 4th, and Clemson beat UNC on a blocked punt, and at Pitt Dick Crum was so dam conservative that UNC lost 6-7 of 6-14 IIRC.

It was actually a lost lateral in the backfield, but don't let anything like facts get in your way. Lord knows you never have before.

Kap, your personal obsession with me is comical. The game was 35 years ago and as I was on the outer banks chasing a girl at the time I am lucky to remember any of it. However what beat UNC was the inability to capitalize on the muffed punt;

"The Tigers led 10-8 heading into the fourth period.

In the fourth quarter, North Carolina again had an opportunity to take the lead following a muffed punt by Billy Davis at the Clemson 37. After gaining just four yards on first and second down, the Tar Heels hopes for taking the lead were dashed when freshman nose guard William Perry broke through and sacked quarterback Scott Stankavage for a 10-yard loss."

There was also a play in the first half IIRC that went in Clemson's favor near the endzone, perhaps you will regale us with the full details.

So
Quote:and Clemson beat UNC on a blocked punt
is the same as
Quote: However what beat UNC was the inability to capitalize on the muffed punt

And the part of the Clemson Athletics article you quoted was accurate (for once.....but you should have linked it) but it wasn't UNC's last opportunity.

http://www.clemsontigers.com/ViewArticle...=209671838

Quote:After moving the ball out from the shadow of their own goal post , the Tar Heels found themselves with a first down at their own 40 thanks to a 12-yard scramble by Stankavage on third-and-10 from the two, then a nine-yard pass to wide receiver Ron Richardson and a 14-yard pass to Anthony.

With just over a minute to play and one timeout left, the Tar Heels called a screen pass to fullback Alex Burrus. Stankavage threw the ball behind the line of scrimmage and when Burrus went to make the catch, defensive end Bill Smith met him, knocking the ball to the ground.

The ball rolled 15 yards backwards towards the Clemson sideline, and that is where defensive tackle Jeff Bryant jumped on the football at the UNC 25-yard line.

Quote:The pass was ruled a lateral, and by jumping on the loose football Bryant secured Clemson’s 10-8 victory in front of a then record crowd at Kenan Stadium of 53,611. But, what people don’t recall is who actually caused the fumble.

That would be Bill Smith, a current member of the Clemson University Board of Trustees.

“They were moving the ball down the field, and all they needed was a field goal to win,” Smith said. “That was just a timely play that happened.”


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Blocked punt = muffed punt Two separate kinds of miscues

Sack on 2nd to last drive important Red Zone fumble inside of 2 min important


And I'm not obsessed with you, I just want people who are not familiar with the history of the ACC to hear the real history, not some fantasy created by someone who once advocated adding Canadian teams to the ACC.

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How is it that a Newberry College graduate is such a professor of the truth when the truth at Clemson is as follows:


June 8, 2009

In Clemson Rankings Controversy, Most College Officials Assume Everyone Games the System


In Clemson Rankings Controversy, Most College Officials Assume Everyone Games the System

Last week’s controversy over a Clemson University official’s admission that the land-grant institution had “walked the fine line between illegal, unethical, and really interesting” in efforts to rise in the U.S. News & World Report rankings reminded us of a special report we published two years ago.

In remarks at a meeting of the Association for Institutional Research, the Clemson official, Catherine E. Watt, said that the university’s single-minded pursuit of a higher ranking had led it to manipulate class sizes, to double its tuition so it would lower student-faculty ratios, and to rank all other colleges but Clemson as “below average” in U.S. News surveys of academic reputation. Clemson quickly denied that it had ever sought to manipulate its U.S. News ranking, insisting that Ms. Watt’s comments were “outrageous” examples of “urban legends.”

But even if true, the steps Clemson allegedly took to influence U.S. News would hardly be unusual, to judge from The Chronicle’s 2007 report, which noted that the magazine’s rankings had become the tail wagging the higher-education dog, by changing how many college officials set their institutional priorities.

For example, colleges have solicited nominal donations from alumni, in order to raise their giving percentages; encouraged applications from students they had no intention of accepting, in order to increase the appearance of selectivity; and creatively interpreted how they should report the required data to U.S. News. Colleges are reluctant to admit that they “game” the figures, but most such methods are so well known that many officials assume that most of their competitors engage in them.

So what makes Ms. Watt’s assertions so notable is not their novelty, but, rather, their open acknowledgment of behavior few colleges would admit to. It’s also notable that Clemson has enjoyed such success in what many would call gaming the system, if Ms. Watt spoke the truth. As the 2007 report found, the criteria by which U.S. News ranks colleges and universities overwhelmingly favor private institutions and hurt public institutions.

Despite that marked disadvantage, Clemson was able to rise from 38th among public research universities in 2001 to 22nd in 2008. —Andrew Mytelka


Perhaps trading Clemson for U Toronto or McGill would be a good thing for the ACC. At least those two are AAU universities with legitimate programs. Ontario and Quebec have a lot more television sets than South Carolina. Perhaps the ACC should look at trying to monetize Canada, even though Hockey is their favorite sport. Then Clemson could be free to join the B12. That would make you happy wouldn't it Kap?
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Hmm, Ontario has 13 million people, the size of Pa. TV stations there also broadcast into Detroit and Buffalo. BTN is already on Canadian cable TV. Quebec presents a language problem but you can get BTN and American Football on TV in Quebec City as well as in Montreal. Only 8 million Quebequios though, but's that's still a lot more frogs than sandlappers.

The SEC does not want Clemson, the B10 would not touch Clemson. I guess it is time for the Clemson to go to the B12 - I bet the league would allow you to pay your exit fee over time. Although I suppose the typical SC response would be to declare a separate nation and open fire on Charlotte. 03-lmfao
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How cute! Lumber gets exposed for posting a false narrative and has a fit. Again.

I bet you looked like this while you posted your hissy fit

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Newberry College = Producer of Intellectual Midgets. 03-lmfao
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Five hours later and still having a hissy fit. Must be some sort of record.

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Kap, don't you have some racially charged innuendo to post on the Spin Page?
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What's the latest left-wing/black conspiracy Kap? You are all over it in the Spin Room.


Kap, I would be more impressed with your dissembling if there were some evidence of a developed intellect instead of something more akin to a redneck's brain stem. 04-cheers
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I used to like Clemson, but Kap is such a poor representative of a Clemson fan that he has totally turned me off to Clemson.

The ACC should replace Clemson with Toronto.

In Clemson we have a small southern cow college that does so little research that it's ranked in the 400 in ARWU. They only do about $100 million a year in research - tiny compared to UNC, Duke, or NC State. They have a small endowment and a student body of just 21K. No wonder there is so much braggadocio. Without football Clemson would be Bob Jones U.

Now with Toronto the ACC would get a university that is AAU, that is ranked 24th in the world with ARWU, 47K students, and a endowment of 1.8 billion plus they do billion dollars of research a year.

I vote the ACC makes the change and allow Clemson to go free of charge to the B12, where they will be a better cultural fit.
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Hey Kap, can we see a picture of you in your Klan hood? I know everyone is waiting for that.03-lmfao
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I think our resident insider's opinions and history lessons have time and tine again proven they aren't worth the internet paper they're typed on.
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Newberry college has left you so talented. What are you doing with the black baby crying photos? Using them for target practice?
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