- 8 playoff spots
- 10 conference champs ranked 1-10
- top 6 conference champs earn playoff spot
- bottom 4 conference champs play play-in game
- 2 play-in winners get final 2 play off spots.

Done. Everyone has a direct path to a championship, if you can't win your own conference you don't deserve to play for a national championship. If you think your conference is too hard to win, join an easier one. Stop crying. Settle it all on the field. Like men.

(05-08-2015 01:53 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  Was just going to post this.

Dodd's opinion (from Video) from talking with people at the meetings- "My take is that this thing is going to expand soon, maybe in the next six years, maybe sooner. The talk has already started."

This would be very interesting if they have 2 G5 schools ranked in the top 5 after the last game, and both went undefeated. This happened before with TCU from MWC and Boise State from the WAC, and they both played each other in the BCS bowl where Boise State beat TCU. This could be great news for Boise State if they go undefeated again.

(05-08-2015 08:02 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  - 8 playoff spots
- 10 conference champs ranked 1-10
- top 6 conference champs earn playoff spot
- bottom 4 conference champs play play-in game
- 2 play-in winners get final 2 play off spots.

Done. Everyone has a direct path to a championship, if you can't win your own conference you don't deserve to play for a national championship. If you think your conference is too hard to win, join an easier one. Stop crying. Settle it all on the field. Like men.

You do get ties. AAC had 3 and the Big 12 2.

(05-08-2015 08:21 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-08-2015 08:02 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  - 8 playoff spots
- 10 conference champs ranked 1-10
- top 6 conference champs earn playoff spot
- bottom 4 conference champs play play-in game
- 2 play-in winners get final 2 play off spots.

Done. Everyone has a direct path to a championship, if you can't win your own conference you don't deserve to play for a national championship. If you think your conference is too hard to win, join an easier one. Stop crying. Settle it all on the field. Like men.

You do get ties. AAC had 3 and the Big 12 2.

One of the Big 12's ties involved #1, #3 and #7 all finishing 11-1, losing only to each other.

Unless there's a guarantee that the P5 (or P4) champs are guaranteed in, there won't be any expansion...but again, I don't think that's a hurdle and I genuinely feel like things will move in the direction of a Div-IV where the Power conferences break off and play for their own title.

(05-08-2015 01:23 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  That's not me asking for a playoff bracket expansion. That's a person with close connections to the College Football Playoff wondering out loud this week at conference spring meetings in the desert. If a CFP-related person is asking, then the question must be out there more than we think:

How soon until the four-team CFP expands to eight?

OK, now that's me asking. But it's obvious after spending the week working the halls at the Arizona Biltmore, pressure on the system is already being felt.

TCU's Gary Patterson -- always ready with an opinion -- suggested the quarterfinals begin in place of the conference championship games on that first Saturday in December.

"If you're going to an eight-team playoff, you're going to take the [conference] championship away," he said. "And they'll be OK with it because with eight teams that's going to make up [financially] for the championship game anyway."


http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ight-teams

If we need to to go to an 8 team playoff, then we need 8 conferences. Conference champions only.
Wake Forest is out.

division 1
Northeast: BC, Syracuse, Notre Dame, Pitt, Rutgers, Maryland, WVa, and Penn State.

division 2
Mid-Atlantic: VT, UVa, Carolina, NC State, Dook, Clemson, South Carolina, and Georgia Tech.

division 3
Southeast: Louisville, KY, Vandy, Tennessee, UGa, Florida, Florida State, and Miami.

Division 4
Gulf: Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Miss. State, LSU, A&M, Arkansas and Missouri.

Division 5
Southwest: Arizona, ASU, Utah, Colorado, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, and Texas.

Division 6
Pacific: Washington, Wash State, Oregon, Oregon St., Cal, Stanford, UCLA, and Southern Cal.

Division 7
Plains: Oklahoma, Okie State, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska, Iowa, Iowa State, and Minnesota.

Division 8
Mid-west: Wisky, NW, Ill., Purdue, Indiana, Mich., Mich State, and Ohio State.

Divisions or combinations of divisions could form networks or negotiate contracts with television providers.
Divisions could play against each other for a semi-final spot either on a rotating or permanent basis.

There is your 8 team playoff formula.

serious question- are there any other sports leagues besides FBS that do not offer a direct path to a championship?

(05-08-2015 09:24 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  serious question- are there any other sports leagues besides FBS that do not offer a direct path to a championship?

Its the only sport where the NCAA does not control the post season. That pretty much explains it all.

(05-08-2015 07:52 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-08-2015 04:42 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  

(05-08-2015 04:32 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  As Larry Scott says, no expansion to 8 unless there are auto-bids for each P5 conference. I don't see that happening soon.

Why would this requirement be an impediment? Seems like that would actually be a driver to expand to 8.

Absolutely. When the B1G and SEC get left out, there will be a move to 8 with auto-bids.

Man are you going to be disappointed. I wouldn't hold your breath.

(05-08-2015 09:06 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Unless there's a guarantee that the P5 (or P4) champs are guaranteed in, there won't be any expansion...but again, I don't think that's a hurdle and I genuinely feel like things will move in the direction of a Div-IV where the Power conferences break off and play for their own title.

I think it will be more a restructuring of the lower divisions and the eventual weeding out and relegation of non-Power programs to a "new" Division 2, etc...

(05-09-2015 06:03 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(05-08-2015 09:06 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Unless there's a guarantee that the P5 (or P4) champs are guaranteed in, there won't be any expansion...but again, I don't think that's a hurdle and I genuinely feel like things will move in the direction of a Div-IV where the Power conferences break off and play for their own title.

I think it will be more a restructuring of the lower divisions and the eventual weeding out and relegation of non-Power programs to a "new" Division 2, etc...

There will be a P5 + the best of the G5 schools who can afford it.
The rest of the G5 plus the best of the FCS who can compete with some big D2 schools.
FCS schools as the third D1 tier with some of the bigger D2 schools. Plus some of the big name D3 schools that can fit in the Pioneer League like some western schools to help San Diego U. and some in the southeast or mid-Atlantic to help with Stetson and Jacksonville. Have 4 regions of Pioneer League with West, Midwest, Northeast and southeast.

D2 and D3 merge with the NAIA schools.

(05-08-2015 09:18 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-08-2015 01:23 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  That's not me asking for a playoff bracket expansion. That's a person with close connections to the College Football Playoff wondering out loud this week at conference spring meetings in the desert. If a CFP-related person is asking, then the question must be out there more than we think:

How soon until the four-team CFP expands to eight?

OK, now that's me asking. But it's obvious after spending the week working the halls at the Arizona Biltmore, pressure on the system is already being felt.

TCU's Gary Patterson -- always ready with an opinion -- suggested the quarterfinals begin in place of the conference championship games on that first Saturday in December.

"If you're going to an eight-team playoff, you're going to take the [conference] championship away," he said. "And they'll be OK with it because with eight teams that's going to make up [financially] for the championship game anyway."


http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ight-teams

If we need to to go to an 8 team playoff, then we need 8 conferences.

No we don't.

After the conference championships are awarded all of the teams gather in Phoenix and show their bank statements. The 8 teams with the biggest bank statements then use a complex formula that includes number of tv appearances, size and luxuriousness of locker room, number of bag men, and average amount of back hair sported by their fans to get down to 4. The four remaining teams have their popularity rated by the CEO of ESPN to get down to 2. And finally, Condoleeza Rice will compare the final two teams to see which one is Alabama and select it (unless the other is Notre Dame in which case the tie will be settled by a touch football game).

Should go to eight with the games being played on campus the weekend after conference championships. The conference championships become a defacto Round of 16. Have the eight seeds being conference champs, G5 Champ, and 2 At-Larges. This is what it would have looked like this year: And if need be have the first round losers still be eligible for bowl games.

ACC Champion (Florida State)
Big Ten Champion (Ohio State)
SEC Champion (Alabama)
Big XII Champion (Baylor)
PAC-12 Champion (Oregon)
G5 Champion (Boise State)
At-Large TCU
At-Large Mississippi State

1 Alabama
2 Oregon
3 Florida State
4 Ohio State
5 Baylor
6 TCU
7 Mississippi State
8 Boise State

DEC. 12 WEEKEND SATURDAY (On Campus)

5 Baylor at 4 Ohio State
NOON ESPN

8 Boise State at 1 Alabama
3:30 ABC

6 TCU at 3 Florida State
7:00 ESPN

7 Mississippi State at 2 Oregon
9:00 ABC

The games on campus would be exciting and be true college football. Also could give around 10,000 seats (depending on stadium size) for each away team so it would be as big of a home field advantage.

(05-09-2015 01:05 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Its the only sport where the NCAA does not control the post season.

But, it's not. The NCAA has a Division I football playoff, and every conference that wants one gets an autobid into that playoff.

Every Division I school has a choice between playing FCS football, and getting their shot at that playoff tournament, or playing FBS football and accepting it for the circus that it is, or not playing football at all. You make your choices, and you live with the consequences.

(05-09-2015 11:00 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 01:05 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Its the only sport where the NCAA does not control the post season.

But, it's not. The NCAA has a Division I football playoff, and every conference that wants one gets an autobid into that playoff.

Every Division I school has a choice between playing FCS football, and getting their shot at that playoff tournament, or playing FBS football and accepting it for the circus that it is, or not playing football at all. You make your choices, and you live with the consequences.

OK, and what are the "consequences" to, say, the B1G or SEC, or to Ohio State and Alabama, that they have chosen to participate in the CFP playoff process rather than the NCAA-FCS playoff process?

ultimately, I believe the magic number is 12. once you expand from 8 teams to 12 teams, thats when you get rid of the CCG.

there is no need to expand beyond 12, because there is never more than 12 teams that can legitimately claim they deserve a shot at the national championship. Sometimes there is more than 8 however.

the top 4 conference champions get a bye. Top 6 conference champions are guaranteed an invite, plus 6 at-large invites. the at large invites can not get a bye, sorry Notre Dame.

Those advocating for some type of 'home field' play-off game are missing a big point....the B in FBS. The 'Grand Daddy of them All' and all the others aren't going to sit back and watch, while college football moves to a play-off system (and it will, the money to the schools has tripled just moving to a 4-team play-off). These big bowls will always be at the heart of their Conference's Championships (even if the dates need to move away from New Year's).

Elegantly, you need 7 venues to get to the NCG with an 8-team play-off. That's the 4 traditional BCS bowls + the Dallas Palace, the Chick-fil-a/Peach and probably The Outback in Orlando.

Finally, there always needs to be a place at the ball for Cinderella; it makes for a great story and keeps all this from becoming 'too professional'.

(05-09-2015 11:46 AM)goofus Wrote:  ultimately, I believe the magic number is 12. once you expand from 8 teams to 12 teams, thats when you get rid of the CCG.

there is no need to expand beyond 12, because there is never more than 12 teams that can legitimately claim they deserve a shot at the national championship. Sometimes there is more than 8 however.

the top 4 conference champions get a bye. Top 6 conference champions are guaranteed an invite, plus 6 at-large invites. the at large invites can not get a bye, sorry Notre Dame.

The conferences do not want to give up control in the same way that we have seen happen with the basketball tournament. They will not give up conference championships and they will not give up future football conference tournaments. They will very much become the de facto early rounds of the national tournament but they will be controlled by the individual conferences.

Seems like only the Big 12 is pushing more for expanding the playoffs. I think the Big 12's survival is predicated on the playoffs expanding. If they don't, then a couple Big 12 school go to the SEC and B1G with the PAC probably taking a few.