(05-19-2015 10:43 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(05-18-2015 03:31 PM)indycat Wrote:  

(05-18-2015 02:02 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  ECU - no

Cincinatti - yes, should have happened a long time ago

And no reason they can't add Cinci as a #11 and do what the old Big 10 did with an 11 team schedule

That certainly helps out WVU, blocks ACC expansion (i.e. forces UConn as next logical choice for them)

Certainly one rumor that has made the rounds has been that Cincy will be #11 but that #12 has been hotly debated within the B12 and is yet to be determined. Having restated that rumor, it can likely be tossed in the recycling bin with countless others. Personally, I don't see any movement at this time. But as we all know, this game of musical chairs can resume at any moment with schools scrambling for a remaining seat.

I was thinking about this last night. What the ripple effects of one small decision would have made.

Let's say when the ACC expanded in 2011, that they invited Syracuse and UConn, securing the northeast. I have to imagine this was debated.

Then when Maryland bolts, it's almost a certainty that they would have quickly grabbed Pitt.

That leaves UC and UofL still in the crumbling big east. With the way the Big 12 clearly views UofL (multiple admins saying they regret not taking UofL), I think there is no question they grab UofL and stomach UC to go to 12, thereby ending the long debate over the CCG issue. The Big 12 now has a strong arm in the area and WVU has drivable rivals.

The AAC likely might not have even come to exist in this scenario, as USF would be the only one left. The conference would have likely folded and CUSA would have just taken USF in.

Crazy how one decision might have changed everything.

You forgot Temple. They likely would have joined CUSA with USF.

I wouldn't say he forgot Temple. Temple may - or may not - have a football program in a decade or so. They're hurting financially right now.

(05-19-2015 10:36 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  

(05-15-2015 01:00 PM)PirateJim Wrote:  I'll believe it when I see it. When CUSA started, we were rejected. Then when the Big East selected us, the basketball only members left and took their name with them. We have good relations with West Virginia and have them on the schedule in the near future but not as a conference game. I would love for it to be true though.

CUSA didn't reject ECU. Louisville attempted to block ECU, it worked for a couple years until the rest of the conference told them to kick rocks and invited ECU anyway.

The revenue agreement might make this a little more plausible (in ECU's case) but unless the Big12 is creating a network adding anyone is unlikely. With a network, NC's population becomes an attractive selling point for ECU and the B12.

If we wanted in and were told no, no matter how many wanted us or didn't want us, it's still rejection. It you want to hang out with the cool kids at school and one of them says no and you're not accepted by the others, then you have been rejected.

(05-19-2015 01:51 PM)PirateJim Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 10:36 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  

(05-15-2015 01:00 PM)PirateJim Wrote:  I'll believe it when I see it. When CUSA started, we were rejected. Then when the Big East selected us, the basketball only members left and took their name with them. We have good relations with West Virginia and have them on the schedule in the near future but not as a conference game. I would love for it to be true though.

CUSA didn't reject ECU. Louisville attempted to block ECU, it worked for a couple years until the rest of the conference told them to kick rocks and invited ECU anyway.

The revenue agreement might make this a little more plausible (in ECU's case) but unless the Big12 is creating a network adding anyone is unlikely. With a network, NC's population becomes an attractive selling point for ECU and the B12.

If we wanted in and were told no, no matter how many wanted us or didn't want us, it's still rejection. It you want to hang out with the cool kids at school and one of them says no and you're not accepted by the others, then you have been rejected.

I don't know what the voting percentages that were needed to get ECU in CUSA 1.0 but it is a matter of fact Louisville was the sole school responsible for keeping us out. I guess winning two straight Liberty Bowl alliances changed some folks tune. That said, it took what, 3 years after joining in football to get the all-sport invite?

(05-19-2015 01:40 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I wouldn't say he forgot Temple. Temple may - or may not - have a football program in a decade or so. They're hurting financially right now.

You really think they're in danger? I haven't followed them much since they left the MAC so I don't know what their finances are like.

I think ECU would do well in the Big 12. They probably make more sense to pair with WVU than anyone else.

ECU will not be in the Big 12 as Texas is having heartburn about adding Memphis

(05-19-2015 01:40 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I wouldn't say he forgot Temple. Temple may - or may not - have a football program in a decade or so. They're hurting financially right now.

Where do yall come up with this stuff.
1/2 a billion endowment.
Federal Research dollars nearly twice the level of -ahem- West Virginia.

Yea, they cut a few money draining sports. Life is different in the non P5 world.

In fact, in research and academics, the AAC is competitive with the Big 12. In fact, the AAC does gets nearly $30 Million more in Fed Research than the Big 12. And on a per school basis, they are about even, with the Big 12 slightly ahead.

You heard it here first...

ANNOUNCEMENT WILL BE ON a TUESDAY

Has it been a month?

(05-20-2015 07:18 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  You heard it here first...

ANNOUNCEMENT WILL BE ON a TUESDAY

I know that goes back to when Memphis was in C-USA and begging in the streets for a Big East invite. But I'm just curious if anyone knows exactly who came up with that "Tuesday" stuff, and what the supposed reason for it was.

Technically June 6, 2015 will be one month if you go by the source post. Possible outcomes:

1). Nothing happens
2). ECU and Cincy get a B12 Invite
3). Sneaky Tulane gets an invite like they did when they came to the AAC (out of the blue) along with ECU, or Cincy, or UCF, or Memphis.
4). Memphis and Cincy get a B12 Invite
5). Cincy and UCF get a B12 invite
6). UCF and Memphis get a B12 invite
7). ECU and UCF are invited
8). ECU and Memphis are invited
9). Texas leaves the B12 and heads to the P12. B12 scrambles adding the big market schools of the AAC..UCF, Tulane, and Cincy. Memphis and ECU and USF wait in line as 2 other members of the B12 head to the SEC.

seems like the big 12 is the new big east for school's trying to jump up. Maybe some of these school's do get the call someday but than texas, ou and Ku bolt the big 12…how much money did school's spend jumping to the big east than the aac only to really be back into the cusa?

(05-20-2015 12:08 AM)HamiltonJames Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 01:40 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I wouldn't say he forgot Temple. Temple may - or may not - have a football program in a decade or so. They're hurting financially right now.

Where do yall come up with this stuff.
1/2 a billion endowment.
Federal Research dollars nearly twice the level of -ahem- West Virginia.

Yea, they cut a few money draining sports. Life is different in the non P5 world.

In fact, in research and academics, the AAC is competitive with the Big 12. In fact, the AAC does gets nearly $30 Million more in Fed Research than the Big 12. And on a per school basis, they are about even, with the Big 12 slightly ahead.

FYI: Endowments have nothing to do with the money allocated to athletics. Endowments are strictly for the academic sides.

Athletic Departments, successful ones anyway, are self-sufficient. None of the money raised for athletic endeavors comes from endowments. So if you're spending that money on the football program in your mind, forget it. Not one penny of that endowment will be spent on football. The football program has to get its own donations.

It's the same for any other sports program. That's just how it is.

(05-20-2015 12:13 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 12:08 AM)HamiltonJames Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 01:40 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I wouldn't say he forgot Temple. Temple may - or may not - have a football program in a decade or so. They're hurting financially right now.

Where do yall come up with this stuff.
1/2 a billion endowment.
Federal Research dollars nearly twice the level of -ahem- West Virginia.

Yea, they cut a few money draining sports. Life is different in the non P5 world.

In fact, in research and academics, the AAC is competitive with the Big 12. In fact, the AAC does gets nearly $30 Million more in Fed Research than the Big 12. And on a per school basis, they are about even, with the Big 12 slightly ahead.

FYI: Endowments have nothing to do with the money allocated to athletics. Endowments are strictly for the academic sides.

Athletic Departments, successful ones anyway, are self-sufficient. None of the money raised for athletic endeavors comes from endowments. So if you're spending that money on the football program in your mind, forget it. Not one penny of that endowment will be spent on football. The football program has to get its own donations.

It's the same for any other sports program. That's just how it is.

Temple is not hurting for money...just stop. Temple had 5 cut sports (baseball, softball, Men's & Women's Track, and Men's gymnastics) and they cut them for many reasons. However, to say they cut them to save money is not true. They took that money and reinvested that money into all of the other non-revenue sports. Temple also just re-did every single team's locker rooms, added a new non revenue athletic weight center, built a $15M Men's basketball practice facility, added a $10M addition to the football facility, and expanded the academic center for athletes. Temple also just purchased a near by vacant high school and grounds from the city to build a new area for non-revenue sports...

(05-20-2015 12:41 PM)templefan1 Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 12:13 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 12:08 AM)HamiltonJames Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 01:40 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I wouldn't say he forgot Temple. Temple may - or may not - have a football program in a decade or so. They're hurting financially right now.

Where do yall come up with this stuff.
1/2 a billion endowment.
Federal Research dollars nearly twice the level of -ahem- West Virginia.

Yea, they cut a few money draining sports. Life is different in the non P5 world.

In fact, in research and academics, the AAC is competitive with the Big 12. In fact, the AAC does gets nearly $30 Million more in Fed Research than the Big 12. And on a per school basis, they are about even, with the Big 12 slightly ahead.

FYI: Endowments have nothing to do with the money allocated to athletics. Endowments are strictly for the academic sides.

Athletic Departments, successful ones anyway, are self-sufficient. None of the money raised for athletic endeavors comes from endowments. So if you're spending that money on the football program in your mind, forget it. Not one penny of that endowment will be spent on football. The football program has to get its own donations.

It's the same for any other sports program. That's just how it is.

Temple is not hurting for money...just stop. Temple had 5 cut sports (baseball, softball, Men's & Women's Track, and Men's gymnastics) and they cut them for many reasons. However, to say they cut them to save money is not true. They took that money and reinvested that money into all of the other non-revenue sports. Temple also just re-did every single team's locker rooms, added a new non revenue athletic weight center, built a $15M Men's basketball practice facility, added a $10M addition to the football facility, and expanded the academic center for athletes. Temple also just purchased a near by vacant high school and grounds from the city to build a new area for non-revenue sports...

Well, if the 5 sports you mentioned were cut for reasons other than a lack of money, then the situation in Philly may not be as bad as I assumed.

(05-20-2015 12:50 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 12:41 PM)templefan1 Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 12:13 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 12:08 AM)HamiltonJames Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 01:40 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I wouldn't say he forgot Temple. Temple may - or may not - have a football program in a decade or so. They're hurting financially right now.

Where do yall come up with this stuff.
1/2 a billion endowment.
Federal Research dollars nearly twice the level of -ahem- West Virginia.

Yea, they cut a few money draining sports. Life is different in the non P5 world.

In fact, in research and academics, the AAC is competitive with the Big 12. In fact, the AAC does gets nearly $30 Million more in Fed Research than the Big 12. And on a per school basis, they are about even, with the Big 12 slightly ahead.

FYI: Endowments have nothing to do with the money allocated to athletics. Endowments are strictly for the academic sides.

Athletic Departments, successful ones anyway, are self-sufficient. None of the money raised for athletic endeavors comes from endowments. So if you're spending that money on the football program in your mind, forget it. Not one penny of that endowment will be spent on football. The football program has to get its own donations.

It's the same for any other sports program. That's just how it is.

Temple is not hurting for money...just stop. Temple had 5 cut sports (baseball, softball, Men's & Women's Track, and Men's gymnastics) and they cut them for many reasons. However, to say they cut them to save money is not true. They took that money and reinvested that money into all of the other non-revenue sports. Temple also just re-did every single team's locker rooms, added a new non revenue athletic weight center, built a $15M Men's basketball practice facility, added a $10M addition to the football facility, and expanded the academic center for athletes. Temple also just purchased a near by vacant high school and grounds from the city to build a new area for non-revenue sports...

Well, if the 5 sports you mentioned were cut for reasons other than a lack of money, then the situation in Philly may not be as bad as I assumed.

It was a lot of things besides just money. Facility upgrades, lack of talent to compete with traditional southern sports, and logistical concerns. Rowing was initially cut because Temple wanted to build a brand new house on boathouse row because the city owned one the shared was condemned for structural issues. They had reached the final step with the city and then the tree huggers came out of the wood work because the building is on park land. Temple did end up receiving a large gift to then renovate the old building, so rowing came back. Gymnastics was cut because it is a dying sport. I believe only 15 or so schools still give out scholarships for gymnastics. Temple now has it as a club sport.

(05-20-2015 01:05 PM)templefan1 Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 12:50 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 12:41 PM)templefan1 Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 12:13 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 12:08 AM)HamiltonJames Wrote:  Where do yall come up with this stuff.
1/2 a billion endowment.
Federal Research dollars nearly twice the level of -ahem- West Virginia.

Yea, they cut a few money draining sports. Life is different in the non P5 world.

In fact, in research and academics, the AAC is competitive with the Big 12. In fact, the AAC does gets nearly $30 Million more in Fed Research than the Big 12. And on a per school basis, they are about even, with the Big 12 slightly ahead.

FYI: Endowments have nothing to do with the money allocated to athletics. Endowments are strictly for the academic sides.

Athletic Departments, successful ones anyway, are self-sufficient. None of the money raised for athletic endeavors comes from endowments. So if you're spending that money on the football program in your mind, forget it. Not one penny of that endowment will be spent on football. The football program has to get its own donations.

It's the same for any other sports program. That's just how it is.

Temple is not hurting for money...just stop. Temple had 5 cut sports (baseball, softball, Men's & Women's Track, and Men's gymnastics) and they cut them for many reasons. However, to say they cut them to save money is not true. They took that money and reinvested that money into all of the other non-revenue sports. Temple also just re-did every single team's locker rooms, added a new non revenue athletic weight center, built a $15M Men's basketball practice facility, added a $10M addition to the football facility, and expanded the academic center for athletes. Temple also just purchased a near by vacant high school and grounds from the city to build a new area for non-revenue sports...

Well, if the 5 sports you mentioned were cut for reasons other than a lack of money, then the situation in Philly may not be as bad as I assumed.

It was a lot of things besides just money. Facility upgrades, lack of talent to compete with traditional southern sports, and logistical concerns. Rowing was initially cut because Temple wanted to build a brand new house on boathouse row because the city owned one the shared was condemned for structural issues. They had reached the final step with the city and then the tree huggers came out of the wood work because the building is on park land. Temple did end up receiving a large gift to then renovate the old building, so rowing came back. Gymnastics was cut because it is a dying sport. I believe only 15 or so schools still give out scholarships for gymnastics. Temple now has it as a club sport.

This is kinda OT but the Big 12 required WVU to add a couple sports in order to join. I think they wanted us to have 21 and we had 19 at the time. My numbers may be off there but it was something like that

I would like to see Cincy and the AFA.... However Memphis and Tulane are very interesting to me!

Which month?