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RE: If Chappy ran college football...
(12-05-2018 11:32 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  
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(12-05-2018 11:17 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  
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(12-05-2018 06:32 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  Nope, if they're so bad prove it on the field and it shouldnt be hard. Of course I am sure most the nation thought the same about umbc when they played virginia last year.

@Iowa 33 NIU 7
Utah 17 @NIU 6
@FSU 37 NIU 19
Miami-OH 13 @NIU 7
@WMU 28 NIU 21

I think they proved it on the field they don't belong in a 16 team playoff.

This ^^^^^^

But they did dominate a mediocre BYU by beating them 7 to 6. No, they don't belong on the field against Alabama. There's at least 35 teams better then them in the nation. It's not fair to the 20 or more teams that are better but sitting at home.

In the NCAA basketball tournament there are 36 at large teams, more then half the teams entered in the tournament. In a 16 CFP tournament with only 6 at large teams selected, it is a completely different percentage of how the NCAA tournament works. If you were to invite 10 FBS champions, you'd have to invite about 14 more teams to make it a 24 team CFP. They'd be playing until February if you take into account studying for finals, etc.

i think it should be 10 conf. champs and 6 at large

the big boy teams will say its not fair that the winner of the Sun Belt gets in and the #2 or #3 SEC team doesn't, but I thinks is completely fair....the #2 or #3 SEC team have a zillion more dollars to do something with than the the teams competing for the Sun Belt Champ....so, do something with your resources. These P5's have more money for better and longer coaching hires, facilities, etc etc etc.

Why should they get a pass for not being able to win their conference. If you counter with, they would have won the Sun Belt...ok, go join the Sun Belt. Enjoy the crap conference home game slate. You can't have the cake and eat it too.

That's the problem with college football...the P5 big boys get their cake and they get to eat it too.

I hope it changes. I refuse to watch the playoff as it is right now because its a sham. Much like the Heisman.

But you and others keep point to the NCAA basketball tournament but than completely modify how that tournament is built. 36/64 is 56% at large. To use the NCAA basketball model, you need 23 teams 10 FBS champ[ions plus 13 at large.

Either you want to use the basketball model or you don't. You can't have your cake and eat it to.

First the tournament was originally 32/32 until the big conferences whined it wasn't fair they play harder games.

Second by its nature 16 is already restrictive in comparison to the percentage of teams involved and therefore fewer at larges should make it. Not to mention a conference avg is 13% of available teams vs 11% for basketball.

68/353 is 19%

16/130 is 12%

You can play 25ish teams every year or 7% of all teams in basketball.

You can play 12-13 of the 130 or 9-10%.

6 at larges vs 10 autobids is fine since you play a higher percentage of available teams in the regular season and a conference champion has won their conference against a higher percentage of available football teams over all vs basketball champs.
12-06-2018 12:31 AM
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RE: If Chappy ran college football...
(12-06-2018 12:31 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  First the tournament was originally 32/32 until the big conferences whined it wasn't fair they play harder games.

Second by its nature 16 is already restrictive in comparison to the percentage of teams involved and therefore fewer at larges should make it. Not to mention a conference avg is 13% of available teams vs 11% for basketball.

68/353 is 19%

16/130 is 12%

You can play 25ish teams every year or 7% of all teams in basketball.

You can play 12-13 of the 130 or 9-10%.

6 at larges vs 10 autobids is fine since you play a higher percentage of available teams in the regular season and a conference champion has won their conference against a higher percentage of available football teams over all vs basketball champs.

I understand what you're getting at but your math is still misleading. I might add that of those bottom 50 teams in college basketball we can probably get the top 15 or 20 guys on this forum as a team and probably beat many of those bottom 50 teams. They shouldn't be D1. That wouldn't be the case in FBS.

Let's look at your numbers a different way, just hard percentages, but this time dividing conference champions versus at large. So you shrunk the at large to less than half the representation in FBS from D1 basketball, while keeping the conference champions nearly the same.

68/353 is 19% (full field)
32/353 is 9% (conference champions)
36/353 is 10% (at large)

16/130 is 12% (Full field)
10/130 is 7.7% (conference champions)
6/130 is 4.6% (at large)
12-06-2018 12:54 AM
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RE: If Chappy ran college football...
(12-06-2018 12:54 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  
(12-06-2018 12:31 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  First the tournament was originally 32/32 until the big conferences whined it wasn't fair they play harder games.

Second by its nature 16 is already restrictive in comparison to the percentage of teams involved and therefore fewer at larges should make it. Not to mention a conference avg is 13% of available teams vs 11% for basketball.

68/353 is 19%

16/130 is 12%

You can play 25ish teams every year or 7% of all teams in basketball.

You can play 12-13 of the 130 or 9-10%.

6 at larges vs 10 autobids is fine since you play a higher percentage of available teams in the regular season and a conference champion has won their conference against a higher percentage of available football teams over all vs basketball champs.

I understand what you're getting at but your math is still misleading. I might add that of those bottom 50 teams in college basketball we can probably get the top 15 or 20 guys on this forum as a team and probably beat many of those bottom 50 teams. They shouldn't be D1. That wouldn't be the case in FBS.

Let's look at your numbers a different way, just hard percentages, but this time dividing conference champions versus at large. So you shrunk the at large to less than half the representation in FBS from D1 basketball, while keeping the conference champions nearly the same.

68/353 is 19% (full field)
32/353 is 9% (conference champions)
36/353 is 10% (at large)

16/130 is 12% (Full field)
10/130 is 7.7% (conference champions)
6/130 is 4.6% (at large)


Your numbers are just a restatement of your earlier ones and dont take into account the fact that you play a higher percentage of teams in the regular season for football than you do in basketball.

Or that a higher percentage of teams share the same data points from being in a conference and playing the same (realitive) teams. Another way to put it is, by winning conference championship you have eliminated a greater total percentage of teams. 20% more aggragrated across all conferences than you do by winning a basketball conference. Each conference champion eliminates an extra 2% of teams, which means they had their at large opportunity during the conference season.
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