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(06-06-2015 12:18 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
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(06-06-2015 10:19 AM)EmeryZach Wrote:  ^ Waiting for UConn to get that Big 10 invite so we can take your spot in the AAC.

Haha, just kidding.

I wasn't opposed to going MAC for all-sports, but I realize that's hard when you have A-10 basketball.

But obviously UMass has stated they want to be AAC for all-sports and are committed to going Indy in football until we get that invite. If UConn would help and push the AAC to invite UMass we could get it done faster. It would give UConn an instant real rival in the AAC and would be good for the conference, IMHO.

Yes, I know we need to upgrade the stadium, but an invite to the AAC would push to make that happen. Unfortunately at UMass we usually need something like that to help push to get infrastructure upgrades done since we have so many people in the state, and even on campus, who hate seeing any spending on athletics unless it's for a move to a better place.

So tell your UConn officials to help us out! haha.

UConn may eventually help you out, but you need to get your act together first. As of now, the AAC has about five or six better candidates for expansion.

Of course, the AAC needs to get its act together before it can even talk about expansion.

And who are the 4 or 5 better candidates for AAC expansion on your / AAC expansion list. I'll give you BYU and Army to start but they are not coming. Both have shot the AAC / Old BE don't several times. The best the AAC will ever see out of both of them is a scheduling agreement for AAC bowl access.

BYU will remain independent if they don't grab a P5 slot or rejoin the MWC before joining the AAC at this time. The MWC is more stable then the AAC and less susceptible to being raided if realignment continues and BYU does not grab a P5 invite. The MWC also appears to be the stronger G5 conference at this time after pulling down the at large G5 slot for football and 3 NCAA BB bids last year. If BYU joins the MWC for FB only they only have to go through Boise for the G5 access slot in a weaker conference after the top two schools which would be BYU and Boise. Put them in separate divisions and the play off game is a marketing bonanza. Put them in the same division and the division game is a marketing bonanza with the winner primed to win the conference play off game and then take the G5 access slot. The money says they stay independent though.

Preferred AAC expansion candidates, roughly in the order of their desirability:

1) BYU
2) Boise
3) Air Force
4) Army
5) SDSU
6) Colorado State
7) Fresno
8) UMass

Some of the schools have "issues" ... Army doesn't want to join a conference, Boise has many selfish demands, etc. That still leaves a few schools that would be more compatible.

But the AAC isn't expanding. This is all moot. Maybe in 10 years things will be different.

Long-term, the AAC will easily be the strongest P5 conference. It won't be close.

Outside of Army that isn't expansion, that is a necessary 4 team or more new division, I know it's been talked about in multiple 30 page threads, but it's not like talking Boise or San Diego vs. UMass. By the way I read the AAC board UMass thread I know you don't want us.
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UMass AD just said on twitter that we're making another announcement on Monday. I don't know if it's the last FBS game or FCS game for 2016, or it might be both.
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Honestly once UMass can get past putting a schedule together for 2016, it should be decent sailing from there. It may be hard for UMass to thrive as an independent, but the program should be OK. With good coaching the program should make bowls fairly regularly given the proliferation of bowls; getting even backup agreement with bowls like the one in New York, Annapolis, Washington, Detroit, etc. should be the next priority.
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(06-06-2015 04:06 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Honestly once UMass can get past putting a schedule together for 2016, it should be decent sailing from there. It may be hard for UMass to thrive as an independent, but the program should be OK. With good coaching the program should make bowls fairly regularly given the proliferation of bowls; getting even backup agreement with bowls like the one in New York, Annapolis, Washington, Detroit, etc. should be the next priority.

If the WVU is correct and B12 goes to UCinn ,UCF / memphis the AAC will need two more schools UMASS should be one of them.The other should be MAC member NIll or Suny Buffalo.
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Most of the southern schools don't want another Northeastern school
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If the AAC loses anyone it has some HUGE decisions to make regarding any replacements. The conference could choose to exit an area entirely, or it may seek replacements as close as possible to the departing schools.

If Cincinnati and UCF both leave, I could actually see the American trying to double down in the Midwest, such as NIU and Toledo. This keeps the conference in Ohio, and provides something of a bridge to NIU.

West - SMU, Houston, Tulane, Tulsa, Memphis, Navy
East - NIU, Toledo, Temple, UConn, ECU, USF

Other than having 11 in most sports and Navy wanting to be in the west, this is about as equitable as the division's could be. The MAC is then left at 10 and would need one more besides UMass to get to 12; Army would make sense, but the Cadets may not be willing to move. It might acute ally make more sense to do the UMass arrangement with a school like Missouri State, who like UMass did a few years ago wants FBS but would not gain anything by moving the entire program.

West - MO St, Ball St, WMU, CMU, EMU, BGSU
East - Ohio, Kent, Akron, Miami, Buffalo, UMass

If both did four basketball games per year against the MAC, they could cycle through the entire conference home and away twice every five years.

Of course if the American loses UCF, there may be clamoring to add FAU or FIU, and the revolving door in C-USA continues to spin.
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(06-06-2015 06:00 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  If the AAC loses anyone it has some HUGE decisions to make regarding any replacements. The conference could choose to exit an area entirely, or it may seek replacements as close as possible to the departing schools.

If Cincinnati and UCF both leave, I could actually see the American trying to double down in the Midwest, such as NIU and Toledo. This keeps the conference in Ohio, and provides something of a bridge to NIU.

West - SMU, Houston, Tulane, Tulsa, Memphis, Navy
East - NIU, Toledo, Temple, UConn, ECU, USF

Other than having 11 in most sports and Navy wanting to be in the west, this is about as equitable as the division's could be. The MAC is then left at 10 and would need one more besides UMass to get to 12; Army would make sense, but the Cadets may not be willing to move. It might acute ally make more sense to do the UMass arrangement with a school like Missouri State, who like UMass did a few years ago wants FBS but would not gain anything by moving the entire program.

West - MO St, Ball St, WMU, CMU, EMU, BGSU
East - Ohio, Kent, Akron, Miami, Buffalo, UMass

If both did four basketball games per year against the MAC, they could cycle through the entire conference home and away twice every five years.

Of course if the American loses UCF, there may be clamoring to add FAU or FIU, and the revolving door in C-USA continues to spin.

Actually, if Cinci left, but not UConn---that might be one of the few scenarios that might favor the AAC adding UMass.

In that situation, there is little value in taking a MAC school. Not taking a shot at the MAC---its just that the MAC schools have generally poor attendance and there would be little point in placing one or two flags in an area where the Big-10 is dominant and what little interest is left is likely to be dominated by the Cinci's new conference (B-12) and the remaining 10 MAC teams. I just don think that kind of add helps the AAC much. Cinci works ok for the AAC right now because Cinci has a solid presence in the region and has had a decade as a AQ team to develop its image. Any MAC teams you grab wont have that kind of development or audience strength. NIU would be about the only possible selection that might work, but their attendance numbers don't provide much support for the idea that they can carry the area for the AAC if they are not playing on a Tuesday night with no other games on.

So with Cinci gone and UConn still a member--the leadership might look to replace Cinci with a team in UConn's area---even if its a somewhat weaker candidate on the surface.

That said, I just don't think UMass has a chance until they get their stadium situation fixed. Beyond that, they need to get basketball in the tournament more consistently and at least become "average" on grid iron.
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As a football Independent and full member of the A10 this is what UMass's annual revenue intake looks like-

$357,143- TV contract (A10)
$410,852- NCAA Tourney (A10)
$307,553- FBS Playoffs (Independent)
$1,078,548- Annual payout as A10/Indy


By comparison, here is an approx. annual revenue intake for UMass as a full, 13th member of the MAC-

$769,230- TV contract (MAC)
$129,959- NCAA Tourney (MAC)
$1,229,508- FBS Playoffs (MAC)
$2,128,697- Annual payout as MAC full member.


This is the cost, from a dollars earned perspective, of UMass going Independent vs going all sports in the MAC. What is not included in that is the increase in travel costs for scheduling nationally in football, the loss of TV exposure, and the lack of conference championship and bowl opportunities to sell to potential recruits.

That's the price for protecting a bball program that has 1 tournament appearance since 1998.
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(06-05-2015 07:55 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Just was seeing on a CFB scheduling site the UMass schedules posted for the next few years...
http://www.umassathletics.com/sports/m-f...dules.html

2016- they have 10 games so far, with only 3 home games. No FCS games yet so would need only 1 more FBS home game to be set.
2017- they have 9 games so far, 4 home. No FCS game so they are set.
2018- 6 games scheduled, 3 home.

So really right now, get 1 more home FBS game in 2016 and they'll be fine. Would kind of think UAB if they are classified FBS would be a very likely source.

Bless UAB. UAB may be able to provide the games needed and be willing to travel to UMass.
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(06-06-2015 08:06 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-06-2015 06:00 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  If the AAC loses anyone it has some HUGE decisions to make regarding any replacements. The conference could choose to exit an area entirely, or it may seek replacements as close as possible to the departing schools.

If Cincinnati and UCF both leave, I could actually see the American trying to double down in the Midwest, such as NIU and Toledo. This keeps the conference in Ohio, and provides something of a bridge to NIU.

West - SMU, Houston, Tulane, Tulsa, Memphis, Navy
East - NIU, Toledo, Temple, UConn, ECU, USF

Other than having 11 in most sports and Navy wanting to be in the west, this is about as equitable as the division's could be. The MAC is then left at 10 and would need one more besides UMass to get to 12; Army would make sense, but the Cadets may not be willing to move. It might acute ally make more sense to do the UMass arrangement with a school like Missouri State, who like UMass did a few years ago wants FBS but would not gain anything by moving the entire program.

West - MO St, Ball St, WMU, CMU, EMU, BGSU
East - Ohio, Kent, Akron, Miami, Buffalo, UMass

If both did four basketball games per year against the MAC, they could cycle through the entire conference home and away twice every five years.

Of course if the American loses UCF, there may be clamoring to add FAU or FIU, and the revolving door in C-USA continues to spin.

Actually, if Cinci left, but not UConn---that might be one of the few scenarios that might favor the AAC adding UMass.

In that situation, there is little value in taking a MAC school. Not taking a shot at the MAC---its just that the MAC schools have generally poor attendance and there would be little point in placing one or two flags in an area where the Big-10 is dominant and what little interest is left is likely to be dominated by the Cinci's new conference (B-12) and the remaining 10 MAC teams. I just don think that kind of add helps the AAC much. Cinci works ok for the AAC right now because Cinci has a solid presence in the region and has had a decade as a AQ team to develop its image. Any MAC teams you grab wont have that kind of development or audience strength. NIU would be about the only possible selection that might work, but their attendance numbers don't provide much support for the idea that they can carry the area for the AAC if they are not playing on a Tuesday night with no other games on.

So with Cinci gone and UConn still a member--the leadership might look to replace Cinci with a team in UConn's area---even if its a somewhat weaker candidate on the surface.

That said, I just don't think UMass has a chance until they get their stadium situation fixed. Beyond that, they need to get basketball in the tournament more consistently and at least become "average" on grid iron.

If Cincinnati left, I think the conference would ask Connecticut and the Texas schools what they wished to do. Would the Texas schools wish to add schools like San Diego State and Fresno State? Navy could hit a home run by playing schools like SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, AND play in San Diego every other year. Looking at California may mean that BYU football becomes an attractive option.

Would the conference look to strengthen the conference with schools that have opportunity like Old Dominion?

I don't think there is a slam dunk.

One thing I do know- Boise is a long way from everyone.
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(06-07-2015 06:21 AM)chess Wrote:  
(06-06-2015 08:06 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-06-2015 06:00 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  If the AAC loses anyone it has some HUGE decisions to make regarding any replacements. The conference could choose to exit an area entirely, or it may seek replacements as close as possible to the departing schools.

If Cincinnati and UCF both leave, I could actually see the American trying to double down in the Midwest, such as NIU and Toledo. This keeps the conference in Ohio, and provides something of a bridge to NIU.

West - SMU, Houston, Tulane, Tulsa, Memphis, Navy
East - NIU, Toledo, Temple, UConn, ECU, USF

Other than having 11 in most sports and Navy wanting to be in the west, this is about as equitable as the division's could be. The MAC is then left at 10 and would need one more besides UMass to get to 12; Army would make sense, but the Cadets may not be willing to move. It might acute ally make more sense to do the UMass arrangement with a school like Missouri State, who like UMass did a few years ago wants FBS but would not gain anything by moving the entire program.

West - MO St, Ball St, WMU, CMU, EMU, BGSU
East - Ohio, Kent, Akron, Miami, Buffalo, UMass

If both did four basketball games per year against the MAC, they could cycle through the entire conference home and away twice every five years.

Of course if the American loses UCF, there may be clamoring to add FAU or FIU, and the revolving door in C-USA continues to spin.

Actually, if Cinci left, but not UConn---that might be one of the few scenarios that might favor the AAC adding UMass.

In that situation, there is little value in taking a MAC school. Not taking a shot at the MAC---its just that the MAC schools have generally poor attendance and there would be little point in placing one or two flags in an area where the Big-10 is dominant and what little interest is left is likely to be dominated by the Cinci's new conference (B-12) and the remaining 10 MAC teams. I just don think that kind of add helps the AAC much. Cinci works ok for the AAC right now because Cinci has a solid presence in the region and has had a decade as a AQ team to develop its image. Any MAC teams you grab wont have that kind of development or audience strength. NIU would be about the only possible selection that might work, but their attendance numbers don't provide much support for the idea that they can carry the area for the AAC if they are not playing on a Tuesday night with no other games on.

So with Cinci gone and UConn still a member--the leadership might look to replace Cinci with a team in UConn's area---even if its a somewhat weaker candidate on the surface.

That said, I just don't think UMass has a chance until they get their stadium situation fixed. Beyond that, they need to get basketball in the tournament more consistently and at least become "average" on grid iron.

If Cincinnati left, I think the conference would ask Connecticut and the Texas schools what they wished to do. Would the Texas schools wish to add schools like San Diego State and Fresno State? Navy could hit a home run by playing schools like SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, AND play in San Diego every other year. Looking at California may mean that BYU football becomes an attractive option.

Would the conference look to strengthen the conference with schools that have opportunity like Old Dominion?

I don't think there is a slam dunk.

One think I do know- Boise is a long way from everyone.

UConn would probably want what's best for the conference. They wouldn't support a UMass invitation if there were better options out west. And they wouldn't blackball UMass if UMass was the best candidate.

UConn has the longest travel distances in the AAC. If UMass joined, that would give us five schools within a reasonable distance (UMass, Temple, Cincinnati, Navy, and ECU).
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We'll be decent this year with the caveat of Fro staying healthy. We are returning 84.6% of our lettermen.

http://www.philsteele.com/Blogs/2015/JUN...une05.html
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Well, just found out who the last FBS home game is in 2016. Mississippi State is coming to Gillette.

http://mobile.gazettenet.com/home/172298...ll-in-2016

The 2016 schedule for us is insanely difficult hahaha.

Go UMass!
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What is the TV situation for UMass? I imagine the four-letter network will want to put this on the SEC Network for those in the SEC footprint.
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No announcement has been made regarding TV when we go independent. ESPN are the ones who made this game happen, so I'd imagine it will be on the SEC Network.
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Lets say the Big 12 took 4 AAC schools? Memphis, UCF, Cincinnati and East Carolina. Some of the MAC schools do have better attendance record than Temple like Toledo, Buffalo and Ohio U.

I see AAC will take Northern Illinois by moving them to the west, and moving Navy to the east.
U. Mass. better academics.
Southern Mississippi because of their tv market.
James Madison or Delaware for the 4th spot.

If Northern Illinois and South Florida goes number 15 and 16 to the Big 12?
UTSA and Marshall will be called upon.

That means C-USA needs to draw 3 schools.
Missouri State, Northern Iowa, Texas State, Arkansas State are candidates for one of the west spots.
South Alabama, Toledo, Ohio U. and Georgia Southern in the east for the other 2 spots.

Lets say three more Sun Belt schools lost? That would put Sun Belt to get
New mexico State gets a full all sports invite. Idaho is gone.
Missouri State
Lamar could be welcome back to the fold.
West texas A&M in a good tv market.
Midwestern State in Wichita Falls would be great also.
Wichita State if they re-start football.

East:
Eastern Kentucky
Chattanooga
North Florida
Coastal Carolina
Jacksonville State
Alabama State

All could be called up in the east.
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UMass will play Mississippi State at Gillette in 2016, and in Starkville in 2017, 2020.
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(06-08-2015 11:20 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  UMass will play Mississippi State at Gillette in 2016, and in Starkville in 2017, 2020.

The Big 12 could go to 12 but 14.

They would take UCINN(Ohio) and UCF(Florida) two excellent tv markets for the Big 12.The AAC would likely take UMASS and N.ILL as eastern replacements for UCINN and UCF
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(06-07-2015 09:36 PM)EmeryZach Wrote:  Well, just found out who the last FBS home game is in 2016. Mississippi State is coming to Gillette.

http://mobile.gazettenet.com/home/172298...ll-in-2016

The 2016 schedule for us is insanely difficult hahaha.

Go UMass!

Let's see:

@Florida
UCONN
@BC
Miss. State
Tulane
@ODU
LA Tech
Open
@App State
@Troy
Open
@BYU
@Hawaii


Yup...better get that FCS game in there...and I'm hoping for the earlier open spot. It would be better to split up 4 straight road trips with an open date in the middle than it would be for a home game against an FCS team (for the team that is). For the fans it would probably be better to have a home game late in the season, and since it'll be on campus, that might be nice.
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(06-08-2015 04:54 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Lets say the Big 12 took 4 AAC schools? Memphis, UCF, Cincinnati and East Carolina. Some of the MAC schools do have better attendance record than Temple like Toledo, Buffalo and Ohio U.

I see AAC will take Northern Illinois by moving them to the west, and moving Navy to the east.
U. Mass. better academics.
Southern Mississippi because of their tv market.
James Madison or Delaware for the 4th spot.

If Northern Illinois and South Florida goes number 15 and 16 to the Big 12?
UTSA and Marshall will be called upon.

That means C-USA needs to draw 3 schools.
Missouri State, Northern Iowa, Texas State, Arkansas State are candidates for one of the west spots.
South Alabama, Toledo, Ohio U. and Georgia Southern in the east for the other 2 spots.

Lets say three more Sun Belt schools lost? That would put Sun Belt to get
New mexico State gets a full all sports invite. Idaho is gone.
Missouri State
Lamar could be welcome back to the fold.
West texas A&M in a good tv market.
Midwestern State in Wichita Falls would be great also.
Wichita State if they re-start football.

East:
Eastern Kentucky
Chattanooga
North Florida
Coastal Carolina
Jacksonville State
Alabama State

All could be called up in the east.

The AAC isn't adding an FCS callup.
Northern Illinois isn't going to the Big Anything.
Navy wants to be in the West.
If Southern Miss goes to the AAC, it won't be for TV market.
Wichita State isn't starting football just so they can take a step back in basketball affiliation.
The Sun Belt isn't adding a D-II school.
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