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RE: Big Ten expansion to16
As much as I'd like to see the conference add Mizzou it won't happen now. Pitt doesn't add much. The best 2 add ons are UCONN and Miami

UCONN adds terrific men's & women's hoops 5% oflus Ice Hockey program and a fan base that extends into metro NYC. Football should start to improve again under Diaco.

Miami to me a a HR. Enormous talent in almost all sports in their region. FIne baseball program, Hoops program that is improving. An up and down Football program that has shown it can win. They struggle at the gate but coming to the Big 10 will change that dramatically with all the B10 alums who live in So Florida and how well Big 10 programs travel. A large % of theri enrollment is from the Midwest and Northeast so won't get much backlash about joining a Northern Conference as other programs would.

Recruiting Florida talent would be easier for the conference as a whole if there was a conference member there. Miami would be an eye opening add.
06-27-2015 08:18 PM
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RE: Big Ten expansion to16
(06-20-2015 12:18 PM)Strut Wrote:  
(06-20-2015 09:55 AM)AntiG Wrote:  Texas and Duke

Too Far! I've crossed paths many times at airports with several college teams and can't help but feel sorry for them as it is currently. Distance is a factor and there should be some limit for "student athletes".

I can understand how Texas might be desirable on some level but Duke I especially don't see it. When Coach K leaves Duke no fault of anyones but they'll be a shadow of themselves. That's really all they've got athletically where numbers even come close to resembling B1G; IMHO they're best where they are in ACC.

Duke has a huge alumni base up and down the eastern seaboard (especially NYC, NJ, Maryland, Virginia and DC) and are annually one of the best (or competitive) schools in pretty much every sport across the board, especially in basketball (both genders) and lacrosse (which the B1G wants to build up). Additionally they have a solid football program now, and would straight up be the #1 university in the B1G academically with tons of Wall Street and Political clout. They'd also bring North Carolina into the fold without having to deal with UNC's awful academic scandals and allow the B1G to get to their eventually goal of 20 by again bisecting the ACC and leaving the ACC vulnerable to being further poached.
07-18-2015 11:07 PM
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RE: Big Ten expansion to16
(06-27-2015 08:18 PM)Policiious Wrote:  As much as I'd like to see the conference add Mizzou it won't happen now. Pitt doesn't add much. The best 2 add ons are UCONN and Miami

UCONN adds terrific men's & women's hoops 5% oflus Ice Hockey program and a fan base that extends into metro NYC. Football should start to improve again under Diaco.

Miami to me a a HR. Enormous talent in almost all sports in their region. FIne baseball program, Hoops program that is improving. An up and down Football program that has shown it can win. They struggle at the gate but coming to the Big 10 will change that dramatically with all the B10 alums who live in So Florida and how well Big 10 programs travel. A large % of theri enrollment is from the Midwest and Northeast so won't get much backlash about joining a Northern Conference as other programs would.

Recruiting Florida talent would be easier for the conference as a whole if there was a conference member there. Miami would be an eye opening add.

daU is a non-starter. It's not an AAU institution, not a state flagship, does not have wrestling, and isn't even remotely near another B10 school. Also, let's not forget it was Donna Shalala claiming that daU was bolting to the ACC so it would have regional rivals for sports.
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RE: Big Ten expansion to16
(07-18-2015 11:07 PM)AntiG Wrote:  
(06-20-2015 12:18 PM)Strut Wrote:  
(06-20-2015 09:55 AM)AntiG Wrote:  Texas and Duke

Too Far! I've crossed paths many times at airports with several college teams and can't help but feel sorry for them as it is currently. Distance is a factor and there should be some limit for "student athletes".

I can understand how Texas might be desirable on some level but Duke I especially don't see it. When Coach K leaves Duke no fault of anyones but they'll be a shadow of themselves. That's really all they've got athletically where numbers even come close to resembling B1G; IMHO they're best where they are in ACC.

Duke has a huge alumni base up and down the eastern seaboard (especially NYC, NJ, Maryland, Virginia and DC) and are annually one of the best (or competitive) schools in pretty much every sport across the board, especially in basketball (both genders) and lacrosse (which the B1G wants to build up). Additionally they have a solid football program now, and would straight up be the #1 university in the B1G academically with tons of Wall Street and Political clout. They'd also bring North Carolina into the fold without having to deal with UNC's awful academic scandals and allow the B1G to get to their eventually goal of 20 by again bisecting the ACC and leaving the ACC vulnerable to being further poached.

Unfortunately, Duke and UNC are joined at the hip tighter than few other schools can imagine. I'd say only Stanford/Cal and USC/UCLA approach how strong of a bound these two have.
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I think the B1G stands to make A LOT of money from the TV deal, and I think eventually you guys will pass the SEC or at least be close

I don't know of any candidates that pop out right now....Virginia is a good target, but by the time the GORs run out, the ACC might be powerful enough to keep them...or the ACC might be incredibly weakened by then

Honestly, all the talk is on the Big XII, and the possible ACC network, but I really don't see how the PAC 12 can keep up either....

It would not surprise me at all to eventually see the 4 Cali schools in the B1G. This TV network stuff will probably eventually lead to about 2-3 mini-"leagues" as much as it will conferences
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(06-27-2015 08:18 PM)Policiious Wrote:  The best 2 add ons are UCONN and Miami

UCONN adds terrific men's & women's hoops 5% oflus Ice Hockey program and a fan base that extends into metro NYC. Football should start to improve again under Diaco.

JMO, but UConn and Miami are slim to none

I think UConn fits the Big 10 mold perfectly, but I don't think that is where college football is trending....the B1G and SEC want markets. They already HAVE content....they want places to sell their product

I just foresee such a massive shift in everything over the next 20 years. Miami and UConn will probably still exist in a "major" conference....but will it be in one of the upcoming monster conferences?
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RE: Big Ten expansion to16
(06-15-2015 05:49 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(06-15-2015 02:22 PM)Hitch Wrote:  On the eastern side, Syracuse was a missed opportunity.

Syracuse would have made a nice filler for the 20 team scenario as there was one last spot to fill but where we are at currently? Nah, Maryland was a great grab for The Big Ten in terms of potential and culture fit. Rutgers is a solid project. They need to make some wise decisions in terms of personnel they hire but they have many solid traits that are much more difficult to find.

Syracuse doesn't add anything....why have a filler team?

I'm sure Texas could have an invite any time they wanted.

The other schools that are interesting are North Carolina, Virginia, Duke, and GIT....

If all that happened, I could see the B1G bending the rules to get FSU

Other than that, I think down the line, 10-20 years from now, USC, UCLA, Stanford and Cal will be getting disgruntled when their TV network isn't keeping up with the Jones, just like Oklahoma and FSU are now....

If you want to keep up with B1G and SEC expansion, you have to think in terms of mini-NFLs....Regionality is dead
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(07-23-2015 02:26 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  
(06-15-2015 05:49 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(06-15-2015 02:22 PM)Hitch Wrote:  On the eastern side, Syracuse was a missed opportunity.

Syracuse would have made a nice filler for the 20 team scenario as there was one last spot to fill but where we are at currently? Nah, Maryland was a great grab for The Big Ten in terms of potential and culture fit. Rutgers is a solid project. They need to make some wise decisions in terms of personnel they hire but they have many solid traits that are much more difficult to find.

Syracuse doesn't add anything....why have a filler team?

I'm sure Texas could have an invite any time they wanted.

The other schools that are interesting are North Carolina, Virginia, Duke, and GIT....

If all that happened, I could see the B1G bending the rules to get FSU

Other than that, I think down the line, 10-20 years from now, USC, UCLA, Stanford and Cal will be getting disgruntled when their TV network isn't keeping up with the Jones, just like Oklahoma and FSU are now....

If you want to keep up with B1G and SEC expansion, you have to think in terms of mini-NFLs....Regionality is dead

Why Syracuse? Because a filler team IS needed. Nineteen doesn't work, a 20th is necessary. FSU was always a listed target of mine when I was talking about the possibility of The Big Ten going to 20 with mostly ACC schools.

What I used to say, before the ACC GoR, was Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, GT, FSU to get to 18. That was when I thought the big 12 would win out the life or death duel between the big 12 and The ACC.
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