(06-30-2015 01:55 PM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 12:57 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 11:45 AM)Okielite Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 11:36 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 11:35 AM)Okielite Wrote:  Best fans in the country are ISU fans. Compare FB, BB, and WBB against just about anybody and they beat them. And when you consider how little they have won in any of those sports it's even more amazing.

To answer your question yes. But it will be after OU and others leave.

I think UCONN has the WBB schtick cornered... and i hate UCONN

Add up all 3 sports average and you will see ISU doubles UConn fan support. And ISU has not won anything in any of those sports like UConn has.

If ISU had a recent BB NC, WBB NC, and a FB CC with BCS appearance they would be expanding the football stadium over 100k with BB at over 25k and WBB at 15k+.

ISU fans are the best all around fans IMO.

I agree..... Iowa State has never won big at football and their basketball has had some success, but nothing really outstanding. However, they have tremendous fan uppport. They just expanded their fooball stadium to the third largest in the Big12 and they had few winning seasons, but their fans come to their games in droves.

Not only do they attend the games, they are among the most hospitable fans you will find anywhere. Same goes for basketball with a 14,500 seat arena they pack them in.

Surprised to hear about Iowa State being the third largest after expansion, and it is correct:

Texas (100,119)
Oklahoma (82,112)
Texas Tech (60,454)
Oklahoma State (60,218)
West Virginia (60,000)
Iowa State (55,000) - going to 61,000
Kansas (50,071)
K-State (50,000)
Baylor (45,000)
TCU (45,000)

However, that is a bunch of small stadiums for a P5 conference. BYU would step in with the third largest stadium in the conference. Kind of puts some of the knocks against including BYU in the Big 12 in perspective. Really shows it is Texas, Oklahoma, and everyone else.

Having said that, I would much rather talk scoreboard smack than attendance smack. We can only do that with Texas and Oklahoma.

Well its only a couple hundred less than the Pac 12 average and several thousand more than the ACC average and the Big 12 fills a lot more than those two conferences.

(06-30-2015 11:27 AM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  ESPN just posted an article saying expansion is inevitable:

http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/...her-a-when

Obviously, I am not completely objective when it comes to this subject. Also, I found his rationale and suggested teams questionable. TCU is flying high now, but what happens when they hit a rough patch? Suddenly, they become an albatross. You need teams that are going to produce TV interest and fan support in good seasons and bad - look at South Carolina selling out their stadium even when going through a winless season. Lot's of respect for those fans.

TCU has been flying high for over a decade now. Time to let that sleeping dog lie. When is the last time South Carolina had a winless season? You not completely objectively but you are some what clueless.

(06-30-2015 04:09 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 11:27 AM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  ESPN just posted an article saying expansion is inevitable:

http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/...her-a-when

Obviously, I am not completely objective when it comes to this subject. Also, I found his rationale and suggested teams questionable. TCU is flying high now, but what happens when they hit a rough patch? Suddenly, they become an albatross. You need teams that are going to produce TV interest and fan support in good seasons and bad - look at South Carolina selling out their stadium even when going through a winless season. Lot's of respect for those fans.

TCU has been flying high for over a decade now. Time to let that sleeping dog lie. When is the last time South Carolina had a winless season? You not completely objectively but you are some what clueless.

Wikipedia is your friend. Lou Holtz took over the Gamecocks and in 1999 led them to a winless season. What's more, they only won a single game the year before. Yet, both years they were still packing the stadium with over 70K every game. I think those are dedicated fans, and South Carolina fans deserve props for supporting their team in the dark times. How many fans would your typical college team get out to games if they were winless or had a 1-win season? Not many I would wager.

Patterson has his Frogs playing well - unfortunately often against my Cougs. He now has more wins at TCU than any other coach. However, he also lost to Northwestern State (the IAA team) and suffered through a 4-8 campaign a couple of years ago. What happens after Patterson leaves? History indicates it will likely "revert to the mean." This might mean more seasons without bowl games and with crowds of 30K. Then, TCU is not bringing national rankings, media markets, or fans. The frogs become a bit of a dead weight. In the meantime, enjoy the unprecedented run.

Iowa St support is out of this world. Small state but they support the Cyclones through thick and thin.

A few P5 schools and most G5 schools( BYU, ECU excluded) could learn from them. They show up in the cold and they show up in respectable numbers when the product sucks. I hope Iowa St finds a P5 home if the Big 12 folds.

(06-30-2015 03:49 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 01:55 PM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 12:57 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 11:45 AM)Okielite Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 11:36 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  I think UCONN has the WBB schtick cornered... and i hate UCONN

Add up all 3 sports average and you will see ISU doubles UConn fan support. And ISU has not won anything in any of those sports like UConn has.

If ISU had a recent BB NC, WBB NC, and a FB CC with BCS appearance they would be expanding the football stadium over 100k with BB at over 25k and WBB at 15k+.

ISU fans are the best all around fans IMO.

I agree..... Iowa State has never won big at football and their basketball has had some success, but nothing really outstanding. However, they have tremendous fan uppport. They just expanded their fooball stadium to the third largest in the Big12 and they had few winning seasons, but their fans come to their games in droves.

Not only do they attend the games, they are among the most hospitable fans you will find anywhere. Same goes for basketball with a 14,500 seat arena they pack them in.

Surprised to hear about Iowa State being the third largest after expansion, and it is correct:

Texas (100,119)
Oklahoma (82,112)
Texas Tech (60,454)
Oklahoma State (60,218)
West Virginia (60,000)
Iowa State (55,000) - going to 61,000
Kansas (50,071)
K-State (50,000)
Baylor (45,000)
TCU (45,000)

However, that is a bunch of small stadiums for a P5 conference. BYU would step in with the third largest stadium in the conference. Kind of puts some of the knocks against including BYU in the Big 12 in perspective. Really shows it is Texas, Oklahoma, and everyone else.

Having said that, I would much rather talk scoreboard smack than attendance smack. We can only do that with Texas and Oklahoma.

Boise State is going up to 53,000 seats.
Houston goals is a 60,000 seat.
Cincinnati is 40,000 +
UCF's Bright House Network could expand to 65,000 in the next 10 years.
Northern Illinois up to 42,000
Memphis Liberty Bowl Memorial is 66,000 + stadium.
U. Conn. design to be 52,000
USF can be expanded to 75,000, but shares Raymond James Stadium with Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
North Dakota State be trying to go 25,000 seating expansion. They keep selling out. If they keep selling out at 25,000? They could go bigger. But, it will take some real makeovers.
Old Dominion is looking to a 35,000 seat expansion and goal is 60,000. If they can get donors to donate.
Georgia Southern 25000 +, if they continue the rise like they did last year in attendance? They could expand even more.
Toledo largest crown, 36, 852. They could expand their stadium.
Tulane 34,500 looking at expanding.
SMU could expand to 45,000.
Rice 47,000 could be expanded to 70,000.
East Carolina 50,000 capacity, they got the green light to expand to 58,000.
Colorado State will open their new football stadium in 2017 with a 40,000 seating capacity, and could expand after that.
Air Force 46,296
New Mexico expanding to 43,000 seats.
Wyoming 29,181 and doing some expansions.
BYU is 63,470
Eastern Washington is expanding to 16,000 when done, and if they keep selling out? They could add more seating.
UNLV 36,800 could expand to 42,000. They are also looking at building a brand new stadium.
uNR 30,000
Utah State 25,513, and work on the stadium to take place.
Fresno State 41,031
San Diego State 70,561
Hawaii 50,000
UTSA 65,000 expanding to 72,000 (this one is a sleeper right here.)
UTEP 51,500
Lamar 16000 could expand even more.
Arkansas State 30,964

Ignoring everything else, but where on Earth are you getting your information re: ODU? They haven't even decided on a location for a new stadium, and everything surrounding it point to a roughly 30,000-seat facility at the onset. If they renovate their current stadium, they'll LOSE seats which is why it's a non-starter. They sure as hell aren't expanding Foreman Field, and I've not seen one bit of information other than fanterbation about 60,000 seats.

https://soundcloud.com/siriusxmcollege/c...een-1-year

TCU's AD Chris Del-Conte says to chill on expansion. Not happening

So where are the conspiracy theorists? ESPN reporter says Big 12 expansion is inevitable?

(06-30-2015 06:01 PM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 04:09 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 11:27 AM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  ESPN just posted an article saying expansion is inevitable:

http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/...her-a-when

Obviously, I am not completely objective when it comes to this subject. Also, I found his rationale and suggested teams questionable. TCU is flying high now, but what happens when they hit a rough patch? Suddenly, they become an albatross. You need teams that are going to produce TV interest and fan support in good seasons and bad - look at South Carolina selling out their stadium even when going through a winless season. Lot's of respect for those fans.

TCU has been flying high for over a decade now. Time to let that sleeping dog lie. When is the last time South Carolina had a winless season? You not completely objectively but you are some what clueless.

Wikipedia is your friend. Lou Holtz took over the Gamecocks and in 1999 led them to a winless season.

Wiki is not my friend. Thanks for answering question. I find it funny that people like you are still waiting for teams like TCU and Boise to implode. As the saying goes, haters gon hate!

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