Sorry I meant the BIG added Rutgers for their huge market (NYC) that generated a lot of money for the BIG 10 network. I was saying that to get the ACC network up and running the ACC should add Tempke for the Philadelphia TV market (4th largest) and to fill the bridge from New England to Flordia.

(07-13-2015 03:52 PM)Temple26 Wrote:  To start off the ACC network the ACC should add Temple to get into the Philadelphia market just like the BIG did with Rutgers.

No thanks. We have enough bottom feeder football programs as it is.

The ACC ought to add BYU and Texas - seriously.

BYU has shown that it could be a valuable contributor to the ACC's competitive balance and TV ratings - not to mention the ACCN.

FWIW - BYU v. Virginia at 3:30pm Saturday on ESPN had a 1.0 rating and 1.64M viewers. Compare to Iowa v. Iowa St. at 1.0 rating and 1.66M viewers and 0.7 rating and 1.13M viewers for Ole Miss v. Vanderbilt - in the exact same time slot on ESPN in that same month.

BYU's Thursday night ESPN game against UCF delivered 0.9 rating and 1.34 million viewers. The following week in the same time spot, Virginia Tech v. Pitt had a 0.9 rating and 1.36M viewers. The week after that, Virginia Tech v. Miami delivered 0.8 rating and 1.22M viewers. A couple of weeks after that, Cal v. USC - in the same ESPN Thursday night time slot - delivered 0.8 rating and 1.27M viewers.

BYU v. Texas at 7:30pm on Saturday on (weak-performing) FS1 netted a 0.5 rating and 910K viewers. Compare to Washington v. Oregon (0.5 rating and 1.13M viewers), Utah v. USC (0.5 rating, 767K viewers), Texas v. Texas Tech (0.4 rating, 791K viewers), Utah v. Arizona St. (0.5 rating, 792K viewers), UCLA v. Washington (0.4 rating, 574K viewers), Washington v. Washington St. (0.4 rating, 781K viewers) in similar Saturday evening timeslots throughout the season on FS1.

This site shows an interactive map of ACC schools media footprints through it's radio affiliates. http://www.freqseek.com/ncaa/acc-radio-networks.aspx

It's a tad out of date as MD is gone and Louisville is now here. It might be interesting to know that VT has the widest, most diverse market footprint - broadcasting from stations in NC, Va, TN, MD, WVA, and DC and thereby reaching into Delaware and PA. The state of Georgia is crisscrossed by GT, Clemson, and Florida State stations. Syracuse is broadcast by stations located in NY, VT, and NJ, reaching into PA, NYC, Connecticut and Ontario. ND is in almost all major markets nationwide in 32 states on 146 stations. Philadelphia is covered by Pitt, VT, and ND broadcasts. Along the Gulf Coast, west of Mobile, and in the mid-South west of a line between Chattanooga and Bowling Green is where the ACC is missing some coverage.

Now some may dismiss radio, but radio indicates an audience. Might not be the top audience in the market, but it's in the market.

If you want to expand the ACC's geophysical market the most you go with Texas. Then comes Tennessee, Illinois, Oklahoma, Ohio, Alabama, Louisiana, and last Mississippi.

Being the number one draw in the market is great. Ohio State in Ohio is the best example, but there are another 21-30 hours of college football to be filled, even in Columbus Ohio each week. Who do the denizens of central Ohio watch before of after their Buckeyes play? No one? Hardly.

They watch Michigan and pull for them to lose. They watch ND and pull for them to lose. They watch PSU and pull for them to lose. They watch Cincy, They watch Louisville. They watch the top game in the SEC. They watch the top 10. They flip the channel as see Indiana or Purdue winning and the quit surfing in order to see how Indiana or the Boilermakers blow it. If they have insomnia they watch something in the PAC 12 or Mountain West.

In Philly, no matter how bad Pitt may be, Pitt will be on TV unless Penn State is playing another team at the same time, AND, ND is playing another team at the same time. I admit Pitt has no real draw in SW Jersey and in the Pinelands, but if your cable of over the air comes from Philly, you will see them if you want to.

(07-13-2015 08:05 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  This site shows an interactive map of ACC schools media footprints through it's radio affiliates. http://www.freqseek.com/ncaa/acc-radio-networks.aspx

It's a tad out of date as MD is gone and Louisville is now here. It might be interesting to know that VT has the widest, most diverse market footprint - broadcasting from stations in NC, Va, TN, MD, WVA, and DC and thereby reaching into Delaware and PA. The state of Georgia is crisscrossed by GT, Clemson, and Florida State stations. Syracuse is broadcast by stations located in NY, VT, and NJ, reaching into PA, NYC, Connecticut and Ontario. ND is in almost all major markets nationwide in 32 states on 146 stations. Philadelphia is covered by Pitt, VT, and ND broadcasts. Along the Gulf Coast, west of Mobile, and in the mid-South west of a line between Chattanooga and Bowling Green is where the ACC is missing some coverage.

Now some may dismiss radio, but radio indicates an audience. Might not be the top audience in the market, but it's in the market.

If you want to expand the ACC's geophysical market the most you go with Texas. Then comes Tennessee, Illinois, Oklahoma, Ohio, Alabama, Louisiana, and last Mississippi.

Being the number one draw in the market is great. Ohio State in Ohio is the best example, but there are another 21-30 hours of college football to be filled, even in Columbus Ohio each week. Who do the denizens of central Ohio watch before of after their Buckeyes play? No one? Hardly.

They watch Michigan and pull for them to lose. They watch ND and pull for them to lose. They watch PSU and pull for them to lose. They watch Cincy, They watch Louisville. They watch the top game in the SEC. They watch the top 10. They flip the channel as see Indiana or Purdue winning and the quit surfing in order to see how Indiana or the Boilermakers blow it. If they have insomnia they watch something in the PAC 12 or Mountain West.

In Philly, no matter how bad Pitt may be, Pitt will be on TV unless Penn State is playing another team at the same time, AND, ND is playing another team at the same time. I admit Pitt has no real draw in SW Jersey and in the Pinelands, but if your cable of over the air comes from Philly, you will see them if you want to.

Yeah, ND has had a nationwide Notre Dame Radio Network for decades.

I remember listening to them on the radio every week as a kid in the Sixties and as a teen in the early Seventies.

So what if FOX decided to trade some Tier 1 programming for some exposure in the east?

Say Oklahoma and Kansas went to the SEC. The Big 12 would need up to 4 more teams. Let's say Texas and ESPN want to stay put in the Big 12. The Big 12 could add Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis and USF to get to 12 and a Championship game. What if the Big 12 and the ACC form a scheduling agreement as well? All of a sudden ESPN has some quality tier 1 in exchange for some Fox eastern exposure.

Texas would rule and get some more games on the LHN with some more $ from the added states. The Big 12 could drop down to an 8 game schedule and Texas could still play Oklahoma and another game of their choosing. Perhaps ND at the end of the year.

Temple > Wake Forest

Das, drawing board.

(07-13-2015 08:05 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  This site shows an interactive map of ACC schools media footprints through it's radio affiliates. http://www.freqseek.com/ncaa/acc-radio-networks.aspx

It's a tad out of date as MD is gone and Louisville is now here. It might be interesting to know that VT has the widest, most diverse market footprint - broadcasting from stations in NC, Va, TN, MD, WVA, and DC and thereby reaching into Delaware and PA. The state of Georgia is crisscrossed by GT, Clemson, and Florida State stations. Syracuse is broadcast by stations located in NY, VT, and NJ, reaching into PA, NYC, Connecticut and Ontario. ND is in almost all major markets nationwide in 32 states on 146 stations. Philadelphia is covered by Pitt, VT, and ND broadcasts. Along the Gulf Coast, west of Mobile, and in the mid-South west of a line between Chattanooga and Bowling Green is where the ACC is missing some coverage.

Now some may dismiss radio, but radio indicates an audience. Might not be the top audience in the market, but it's in the market.

If you want to expand the ACC's geophysical market the most you go with Texas. Then comes Tennessee, Illinois, Oklahoma, Ohio, Alabama, Louisiana, and last Mississippi.

Being the number one draw in the market is great. Ohio State in Ohio is the best example, but there are another 21-30 hours of college football to be filled, even in Columbus Ohio each week. Who do the denizens of central Ohio watch before of after their Buckeyes play? No one? Hardly.

They watch Michigan and pull for them to lose. They watch ND and pull for them to lose. They watch PSU and pull for them to lose. They watch Cincy, They watch Louisville. They watch the top game in the SEC. They watch the top 10. They flip the channel as see Indiana or Purdue winning and the quit surfing in order to see how Indiana or the Boilermakers blow it. If they have insomnia they watch something in the PAC 12 or Mountain West.

In Philly, no matter how bad Pitt may be, Pitt will be on TV unless Penn State is playing another team at the same time, AND, ND is playing another team at the same time. I admit Pitt has no real draw in SW Jersey and in the Pinelands, but if your cable of over the air comes from Philly, you will see them if you want to.

How does Duke have a radio affiliate in Colorado?

(07-15-2015 03:13 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 08:05 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  This site shows an interactive map of ACC schools media footprints through it's radio affiliates. http://www.freqseek.com/ncaa/acc-radio-networks.aspx

It's a tad out of date as MD is gone and Louisville is now here. It might be interesting to know that VT has the widest, most diverse market footprint - broadcasting from stations in NC, Va, TN, MD, WVA, and DC and thereby reaching into Delaware and PA. The state of Georgia is crisscrossed by GT, Clemson, and Florida State stations. Syracuse is broadcast by stations located in NY, VT, and NJ, reaching into PA, NYC, Connecticut and Ontario. ND is in almost all major markets nationwide in 32 states on 146 stations. Philadelphia is covered by Pitt, VT, and ND broadcasts. Along the Gulf Coast, west of Mobile, and in the mid-South west of a line between Chattanooga and Bowling Green is where the ACC is missing some coverage.

Now some may dismiss radio, but radio indicates an audience. Might not be the top audience in the market, but it's in the market.

If you want to expand the ACC's geophysical market the most you go with Texas. Then comes Tennessee, Illinois, Oklahoma, Ohio, Alabama, Louisiana, and last Mississippi.

Being the number one draw in the market is great. Ohio State in Ohio is the best example, but there are another 21-30 hours of college football to be filled, even in Columbus Ohio each week. Who do the denizens of central Ohio watch before of after their Buckeyes play? No one? Hardly.

They watch Michigan and pull for them to lose. They watch ND and pull for them to lose. They watch PSU and pull for them to lose. They watch Cincy, They watch Louisville. They watch the top game in the SEC. They watch the top 10. They flip the channel as see Indiana or Purdue winning and the quit surfing in order to see how Indiana or the Boilermakers blow it. If they have insomnia they watch something in the PAC 12 or Mountain West.

In Philly, no matter how bad Pitt may be, Pitt will be on TV unless Penn State is playing another team at the same time, AND, ND is playing another team at the same time. I admit Pitt has no real draw in SW Jersey and in the Pinelands, but if your cable of over the air comes from Philly, you will see them if you want to.

How does Duke have a radio affiliate in Colorado?

Cheap programming. One of the small AM stations around here when it was a talk format was at various times a Georgia, LSU, Ohio State, and even Texas radio affiliate. Fat lot of good it did for them because at it's best you could only hear them within a 10 mile radius of the tower and normally you needed to see the tower to get their signal.

(07-09-2015 10:59 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 03:23 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The more I think about Lumberpack's idea, the more I like it!



(You know I just HAD to make a map!)

Trying to see how this works for Clemson


We get:

1. A school we have a grand total of one year of history with

2. A school we have a lot of history with, but has a grand total of 233 fans

and

3. A school who's entire identity is based upon a coach on the very tail end of his career.

I can hardly contain my excitement /sarcasm

What you do is shift Georgia Tech and West Virginia into the "Appalachian" pod and Wake Forest back to the Atlantic pod. The result:

NORTH
Boston College
Syracuse
Pitt
Notre Dame

ATLANTIC
Virginia
UNC
Duke
NC State
Wake

APPALACHIAN
WVU
Louisville
Virginia Tech
Clemson
Georgia Tech

SOUTH
Miami
Florida St.
Texas
TCU

Sorry - no map

(07-15-2015 06:09 PM)YNot Wrote:  What you do is shift Georgia Tech and West Virginia into the "Appalachian" pod and Wake Forest back to the Atlantic pod. The result:

NORTH
Boston College
Syracuse
Pitt
Notre Dame

ATLANTIC
Virginia
UNC
Duke
NC State
Wake

APPALACHIAN
WVU
Louisville
Virginia Tech
Clemson
Georgia Tech

SOUTH
Miami
Florida St.
Texas
TCU

Sorry - no map

The way to set up football scheduling is:

NORTH - 3 intradivision, 2 SOUTH, 2 ATLANTIC, 2 APPALACHIAN
SOUTH - 3 intradivision, 2 NORTH, 2 ATLANTIC, 2 APPALACHIAN
ATLANTIC - 4 intradivision, 2 APPALACHIAN, 1-2 NORTH, 1-2 SOUTH
APPALACHIAN - 4 intradivision, 2 ATLANTIC, 1-2 NORTH, 1-2 SOUTH

So, NORTH and SOUTH end up playing each other every other year and ATLANTIC and APPALACHIAN in 2 out of 5 years.

ATLANTIC and APPALACHIAN play each other in 2 out of 5 years and NORTH and SOUTH in 3 out of 8 years.

More likely scenario in the Texas expansion would be to remove Notre Dame and WVU from the equation and shift Louisville to the NORTH and Virginia to the APPALACHIAN = 4 equal divisions of four teams.

(07-15-2015 06:19 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 06:09 PM)YNot Wrote:  What you do is shift Georgia Tech and West Virginia into the "Appalachian" pod and Wake Forest back to the Atlantic pod. The result:

NORTH
Boston College
Syracuse
Pitt
Notre Dame

ATLANTIC
Virginia
UNC
Duke
NC State
Wake

APPALACHIAN
WVU
Louisville
Virginia Tech
Clemson
Georgia Tech

SOUTH
Miami
Florida St.
Texas
TCU

Sorry - no map

The way to set up football scheduling is:

NORTH - 3 intradivision, 2 SOUTH, 2 ATLANTIC, 2 APPALACHIAN
SOUTH - 3 intradivision, 2 NORTH, 2 ATLANTIC, 2 APPALACHIAN
ATLANTIC - 4 intradivision, 2 APPALACHIAN, 1-2 NORTH, 1-2 SOUTH
APPALACHIAN - 4 intradivision, 2 ATLANTIC, 1-2 NORTH, 1-2 SOUTH

So, NORTH and SOUTH end up playing each other every other year and ATLANTIC and APPALACHIAN in 2 out of 5 years.

ATLANTIC and APPALACHIAN play each other in 2 out of 5 years and NORTH and SOUTH in 3 out of 8 years.

More likely scenario in the Texas expansion would be to remove Notre Dame and WVU from the equation and shift Louisville to the NORTH and Virginia to the APPALACHIAN = 4 equal divisions of four teams.

No thanks.

General objection.