(07-08-2015 08:57 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 02:30 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  ....or else, FSU and Clemson should bolt

You might want to have some conversation with the Clemson administration, if there is any bolting to be done, you might find that the 'noles will be bolting alone.

I wouldn't be so sure. The anti-athletics regime of Chapel Hill lackey Barker is over. In the year and a half Jim Clements has been President he's been more involved in athletics more than Barker was in the 14+ years he held the post.

(07-08-2015 07:33 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 05:22 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 02:30 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  ....or else, FSU and Clemson should bolt

If the ACC did give Texas a non-football membership, and took TT and Baylor as part of it, I would immediately join some of the other FSU fans on here rooting for the immediate demise of the ACC and any way out for FSU. In other words, back where I was 4 years ago.

If I was FSU and I got wind of that, I'd immediately put a stop to it by pledging to go to the Big 12, with UCONN if need be, at the end of the GOR or the earliest conceivable moment. And that would give FSU years to try to pull Clemson, Louisville, etc with it, if it didn't send other schools scrambling to the arms of the B1G or SEC immediately.

I've been very open minded and cautiously optimistic and think the ACC has some reasonable future potential if they play their cards right.

But two things to me are non-negotiable...any school besides ND to a partial membership (I actually don't have a problem with ND's current membership), and allowing anyone to play for a conference title with less than a full conference schedule. There is simply no reason to go there.

On those to items, if I'm FSU, I'm absolutely ready to pull the pin and bring down the building.

Once again, agree on all points. ND in the ccg with a partial schedule is an unpardonable sin. I would hope Clemson and FSU would bolt for the big12 in that case.

Where is this stuff coming from? ND has no interest in being part of the ACC championship game.

(07-08-2015 07:12 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 06:23 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Where are these Texas rumors or thoughts coming from?

Which ones?

Any of em..... It all smells like BS

Are you supposed to tickle Elmo while he poops?

And both Terry and Clairton know where these rumors are coming from and they know they aren't from anyone in an actual authoritative capacity.

(07-09-2015 01:22 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Are you supposed to tickle Elmo while he poops?

And both Terry and Clairton know where these rumors are coming from and they know they aren't from anyone in an actual authoritative capacity.

Absolutely.....

And yea, these rumors are coming from speculators that have nothing better to do on a July day.

(07-09-2015 01:24 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 01:22 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Are you supposed to tickle Elmo while he poops?

And both Terry and Clairton know where these rumors are coming from and they know they aren't from anyone in an actual authoritative capacity.

Absolutely.....

And yea, these rumors are coming from speculators that have nothing better to do on a July day.

True...but there is a lot of heat around Oklahoma's satisfaction or lack thereof with the Big 12. IF that amounts to anything, and there are a lot of reasons why it probably won't, Texas' game plan is a very hot topic.

So it is purely 100% speculation for sure...but it at least has a catalyst, and that is Boren's comments about the Big 12, and the ensuing discussion. It's not out of nowhere.

Lou, people on this board have been talking about adding Texas in this capacity long before this recent OU beef.

It's stupid as sh*t to me. Talk to me in 2023.

If Oklahoma, Texas & friends leave the Big 12 would there be a Big 12 for FSU to jump to? If there were anything left it would be G5 level at best.

IF Texas were to join the ACC in one form or another it would be with ESPN help meaning a network & an increased TV contract. FSU would be getting the extra $ that they want. The ACC would get the Sugar Bowl spot & better bowls to boot. I find it hard to believe that FSU would get everything they ask for & still leave.

(07-09-2015 02:54 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  It's stupid as sh*t to me. Talk to me in 2023.

Dang, dude -- bitter much?



Welcome back, though...

(07-09-2015 03:50 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  If Oklahoma, Texas & friends leave the Big 12 would there be a Big 12 for FSU to jump to? If there were anything left it would be G5 level at best.

IF Texas were to join the ACC in one form or another it would be with ESPN help meaning a network & an increased TV contract. FSU would be getting the extra $ that they want. The ACC would get the Sugar Bowl spot & better bowls to boot. I find it hard to believe that FSU would get everything they ask for & still leave.

If one or both joined the ACC and FSU faced them more often than once every 6 years (hi, VT/GT) and the ACC had a network comparable to BTN/SECN revenue, then there's no real reason to leave.

But if the ACC does not get at least one, while FSU fans may no longer consider the Big 12 an option, that doesn't mean they'll want to remain in the ACC. Because the ACC would likely be further behind the Big Ten, SEC and/or Pac 12 in that case.

And that's if OU and Texas even leave. If they don't, then FSU fan still want out and any conference east of the Rockies is a potential option.

(07-09-2015 03:50 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  If Oklahoma, Texas & friends leave the Big 12 would there be a Big 12 for FSU to jump to? If there were anything left it would be G5 level at best.

IF Texas were to join the ACC in one form or another it would be with ESPN help meaning a network & an increased TV contract. FSU would be getting the extra $ that they want. The ACC would get the Sugar Bowl spot & better bowls to boot. I find it hard to believe that FSU would get everything they ask for & still leave.

My premise was that if I was FSU, and I got wind that Texas was being entreated as a PARTIAL member, I'd call Texas and OU and say "hold up...not so fast...we'll come to you."

Which would effectively end it there, because OU and Texas would much rather keep the Big 12 and add FSU + whoever FSU could manage to drag along, then leave the Big 12 for anything else. Even if they had to wait a few years.

I'm not saying that would happen, but that's what I would do if I were king of FSU. That's how strongly I feel about that garbage.

(07-09-2015 02:36 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Lou, people on this board have been talking about adding Texas in this capacity long before this recent OU beef.

Oh, I know that, it goes back to Texas acknowledging talks with the ACC back in the last go-round, if not before. So there is some basis for it. I thought people were wondering why talk was heating up more lately.

(07-09-2015 06:05 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 03:50 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  If Oklahoma, Texas & friends leave the Big 12 would there be a Big 12 for FSU to jump to? If there were anything left it would be G5 level at best.

IF Texas were to join the ACC in one form or another it would be with ESPN help meaning a network & an increased TV contract. FSU would be getting the extra $ that they want. The ACC would get the Sugar Bowl spot & better bowls to boot. I find it hard to believe that FSU would get everything they ask for & still leave.

My premise was that if I was FSU, and I got wind that Texas was being entreated as a PARTIAL member, I'd call Texas and OU and say "hold up...not so fast...we'll come to you."

Which would effectively end it there, because OU and Texas would much rather keep the Big 12 and add FSU + whoever FSU could manage to drag along, then leave the Big 12 for anything else. Even if they had to wait a few years.

I'm not saying that would happen, but that's what I would do if I were king of FSU. That's how strongly I feel about that garbage.

I would agree with that but I would assume Texas would be coming to the ACC to make more money. IF it was a partial membership then I would assume that would be by their request. I would assume that ESPN would have negotiated the terms to everyone benefit or I would assume that it wouldn't happen. If my assumptions are wrong then I hope that Louisville would be apart of the new FSU & Texas conference.

(07-09-2015 03:50 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 02:54 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  It's stupid as sh*t to me. Talk to me in 2023.

Dang, dude -- bitter much?



Welcome back, though...

I'm not bitter. I just find this discussion worthless until early/mid next decade.

What's the chances of 2/3 of the Big XII dissolving the media deal just so Texas and Oklahoma can go to a better conference? What's the chances of FSU buying out the remainder of the ACC deal to go to another conference? Just pointless chatter in the middle of July.

And the other option is Texas playing in the ACC under the Big XII deal or FSU playing in the SEC under the ACC deal.... How exactly does that really encourage those named schools to part ways with their current conferences?

(07-09-2015 09:26 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 03:50 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 02:54 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  It's stupid as sh*t to me. Talk to me in 2023.

Dang, dude -- bitter much?



Welcome back, though...

I'm not bitter. I just find this discussion worthless until early/mid next decade.

What's the chances of 2/3 of the Big XII dissolving the media deal just so Texas and Oklahoma can go to a better conference? What's the chances of FSU buying out the remainder of the ACC deal to go to another conference? Just pointless chatter in the middle of July.

It's not about Oklahoma and Texas going to a better conference. They are going to do that regardless. It is about everyone dissolving the conference in return for the Networks to pay the conferences enough to take in everyone.

It's not about Oklahoma and Texas, nor even Kansas. It's about everyone else.

If they wait till after the GoR, then it gets very ugly with schools being left behind.

Derp..... Why would schools like Iowa State vote to dissolve w/ no where to go, other than the MAC; as opposed to making 10's of millions more for the next 10 years delaying the inevitable?

(07-09-2015 10:58 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Derp..... Why would schools like Iowa State vote to dissolve w/ no where to go, other than the MAC; as opposed to making 10's of millions more for the next 10 years delaying the inevitable?

You must be saying derp about yourself because you don't seem to understand.

I will explain, because I like you and I realize this is all confusing you and causing you to be agitated.

Right now, the GoR IS enough to bind everyone due to how much of their rights they wouldn't take along with them to another conference. The school doesn't lose anything as the big 12 would still pay them. The new conference DOES lose a lot though by taking them because the new conference wouldn't have their home game rights.

Therefore for ANYONE to leave anytime soon, which the networks most likely want, major negotiations and deals will have to be made in order to gain the dissolution votes of every big 12 school. Some folks think 8 schools would be enough but the monetary damages caused upon the other two schools would be massive and they absolutely would seek damages.

All 10 have to find a landing spot, even Iowa State. I don't think you understand how value in this instance can be complex and different for each conference.

Follow?

I completely understand the situation. I just don't foresee this happening anytime soon...