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(07-13-2015 08:20 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(07-13-2015 08:01 AM)reagan Wrote:  Sorry I haven't responded earlier. I've been re-reading some articles about all the ODU students who have been assaulted/robbed near campus. Now what were you saying about the great job Fraim is doing?

How is Fraim responsible for ODU students getting robbed?
That is on the individual committing the crime, the campus police, the Norfolk police, Rhonda Harris and (ultimately) Pres. Broderick. They are the ones responsible for keeping the campus safe. Fraim isn't responsible for overworking and understaffing the ODU police.

There is this thing called a budget. The budger determines how much each department (like say, police) get each year. City Council votes on the budget. The City Council can increase or decrease a department's budget and can express to the City Manager if they have concerns regarding the operations of a department.
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(07-13-2015 08:24 AM)First time Long time Wrote:  
(07-13-2015 08:01 AM)reagan Wrote:  Friam's only real challenge would be if an African American ran for office... someone who is like Obama.

Because African American Harvard law graduates turned constitutional law professors are a dime a dozen in Hampton Roads. Are you 17?

And you might learn something here: http://hamptonroads.com/2014/04/muhammad...challenger

Your reply makes utterly no sense. I've heard better responses from a two year old.
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Please note that I was not the first to get personal and make insulting comments. But if y'all want to get in the gutter and get personal, well, I've never been one to back down either.
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(07-13-2015 08:44 AM)reagan Wrote:  
(07-13-2015 08:20 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(07-13-2015 08:01 AM)reagan Wrote:  Sorry I haven't responded earlier. I've been re-reading some articles about all the ODU students who have been assaulted/robbed near campus. Now what were you saying about the great job Fraim is doing?

How is Fraim responsible for ODU students getting robbed?
That is on the individual committing the crime, the campus police, the Norfolk police, Rhonda Harris and (ultimately) Pres. Broderick. They are the ones responsible for keeping the campus safe. Fraim isn't responsible for overworking and understaffing the ODU police.

There is this thing called a budget. The budger determines how much each department (like say, police) get each year. City Council votes on the budget. The City Council can increase or decrease a department's budget and can express to the City Manager if they have concerns regarding the operations of a department.

ODU police aren't under Norfolk's budget. And they are the force that is understaffed and overworked.
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What is interesting is that I will concede that Fraim has been good for downtown/Ghent area. But no one has refuted my comments about Military Circle, the high tax rate or some of my other comments. A good intelligent discussion will acknowledge the points of both sides of the discussion, and can state a conclusion without resorting to personal attacks. Why have you resorted to such attacks?
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Who is lobbing personal attacks?
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(07-13-2015 08:57 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(07-13-2015 08:44 AM)reagan Wrote:  
(07-13-2015 08:20 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(07-13-2015 08:01 AM)reagan Wrote:  Sorry I haven't responded earlier. I've been re-reading some articles about all the ODU students who have been assaulted/robbed near campus. Now what were you saying about the great job Fraim is doing?

How is Fraim responsible for ODU students getting robbed?
That is on the individual committing the crime, the campus police, the Norfolk police, Rhonda Harris and (ultimately) Pres. Broderick. They are the ones responsible for keeping the campus safe. Fraim isn't responsible for overworking and understaffing the ODU police.

There is this thing called a budget. The budger determines how much each department (like say, police) get each year. City Council votes on the budget. The City Council can increase or decrease a department's budget and can express to the City Manager if they have concerns regarding the operations of a department.

ODU police aren't under Norfolk's budget. And they are the force that is understaffed and overworked.

Most (if not all) of the attacks have occurred off campus, which is under the jurisdiction of Norfolk Police. ODU officials are very quick to point that out when a crime occurs. And if you ask any Norfolk cop, they will tell you that their department is underfunded.
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(07-10-2015 08:21 AM)reagan Wrote:  As someone who lived in Norfolk for close to forty years, I will vote for anyone but Fraim. He is only concerned about downtown and the Ghent area. The rest of the city has gone down the tubes.

Military Circle was once the premier shopping mall and now is ready to close. All over the rest of city the roads are terrible, the schools worse, crime on the upswing and the taxes just keep going up and up. But the worst thing is his support for the light rail. Light rail has bled and continues to bleed vast amounts of money just so his developer buddies can get rich and he can get in front of the camera and get his name on a bronze plaque. Light rail does nothing to lessen traffic and the ridership numbers are inflated because so many get to ride for "free". Of course, it is not free as taxpayers are forced to pay. For example, our water rates increase every year. But the City raids the revenues from the water fund to pay of other city services like Light Rail. There are many ways that Norfolk bleeds its citizens, especially the ones who own their homes. I can't wait to move out of Norfolk.

You seem to be a curmudgeon who is trying his best to stir the pot and bring up topics (such as your opinion of Obama's performance) which have nothing to ido with the op.

Here are some statements refuting your's.

1. Downtown and Ghent are receiving all benefits and the rest of the city is going down the tubes.

Wards Corner, Riverview, Ocean View, just to name three, are all areas of the city which have received both city and private inveatment on Fraim's watch, and are doing quite well as campared to when he first took office.

2. "Military circle was once the premier shopping mall."

03-lmfao
Very debatable, and if so it was not even close to that at the time Fraim was first sworn in.

3. "Because so many get to ride (the Tide) for "free."

Large numbers of people do not ride the Tide free. I have ridden the Tide and have witnessed, more than once, people being ticketed, and removed because they had nit paid their fare. The fine is pretty steep, and the NPD does a good job of weeding out scofflaws. You, among many others, never account for the fact that the current configuration of the Tide; with a termini at Newtown Rd. and at Colley Ave. is a starter line, and ridership numbers are therefore much lower then they will be when the line reaches into more heavily populated areas like VB, and large employment destinations like NOB.

4. The city raids the "water fund" to pay off light rail.

Could you please substantiate this assertion.
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Actually all of ODU is under the jurisdiction of Norfolk Police. ODU police are granted police authority to the campus and certain neighboring areas.
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(07-13-2015 09:32 AM)paintedblue2 Wrote:  
(07-10-2015 08:21 AM)reagan Wrote:  As someone who lived in Norfolk for close to forty years, I will vote for anyone but Fraim. He is only concerned about downtown and the Ghent area. The rest of the city has gone down the tubes.

Military Circle was once the premier shopping mall and now is ready to close. All over the rest of city the roads are terrible, the schools worse, crime on the upswing and the taxes just keep going up and up. But the worst thing is his support for the light rail. Light rail has bled and continues to bleed vast amounts of money just so his developer buddies can get rich and he can get in front of the camera and get his name on a bronze plaque. Light rail does nothing to lessen traffic and the ridership numbers are inflated because so many get to ride for "free". Of course, it is not free as taxpayers are forced to pay. For example, our water rates increase every year. But the City raids the revenues from the water fund to pay of other city services like Light Rail. There are many ways that Norfolk bleeds its citizens, especially the ones who own their homes. I can't wait to move out of Norfolk.

You seem to be a curmudgeon who is trying his best to stir the pot and bring up topics (such as your opinion of Obama's performance) which have nothing to ido with the op.

Here are some statements refuting your's.

1. Downtown and Ghent are receiving all benefits and the rest of the city is going down the tubes.

Wards Corner, Riverview, Ocean View, just to name three, are all areas of the city which have received both city and private inveatment on Fraim's watch, and are doing quite well as campared to when he first took office.

2. "Military circle was once the premier shopping mall."

03-lmfao
Very debatable, and if so it was not even close to that at the time Fraim was first sworn in.

3. "Because so many get to ride (the Tide) for "free."

Large numbers of people do not ride the Tide free. I have ridden the Tide and have witnessed, more than once, people being ticketed, and removed because they had nit paid their fare. The fine is pretty steep, and the NPD does a good job of weeding out scofflaws. You, among many others, never account for the fact that the current configuration of the Tide; with a termini at Newtown Rd. and at Colley Ave. is a starter line, and ridership numbers are therefore much lower then they will be when the line reaches into more heavily populated areas like VB, and large employment destinations like NOB.

4. The city raids the "water fund" to pay off light rail.

Could you please substantiate this assertion.

1. Drive down Princess Anne Road from the VB line to Hampton Blvd, Drive down Military Hwy.
2. It was the premier shopping mall. I've lived in Norfolk for 40 years, so I remember it. Must be before your time. Either way, can you dispute that Military Circle has gotten worse under Fraim?
3.ODU, TCC, Norfolk State, Norfolk City employees, Norfolk Public School employees and other various agencies are given free passes. I know, I used to have one. Other businesses are provided tickets to at vastly reduced rates to keep the ridership numbers looking good.
4. Its in Norfolk's budget. Page 448. It is in the line called "Department Specific Appropiation". The wastewater fund has one as well, but not nearly as much. The Pilot mentioned it in a story a few months back. But it didn't get much play as it is really boring accounting stuff that causes most people's eyes to glaze over. If you really want to know more, you will have to FOIA Norfolk, as it is something they don't like to release.
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(07-13-2015 09:31 AM)reagan Wrote:  
(07-13-2015 08:57 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(07-13-2015 08:44 AM)reagan Wrote:  
(07-13-2015 08:20 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(07-13-2015 08:01 AM)reagan Wrote:  Sorry I haven't responded earlier. I've been re-reading some articles about all the ODU students who have been assaulted/robbed near campus. Now what were you saying about the great job Fraim is doing?

How is Fraim responsible for ODU students getting robbed?
That is on the individual committing the crime, the campus police, the Norfolk police, Rhonda Harris and (ultimately) Pres. Broderick. They are the ones responsible for keeping the campus safe. Fraim isn't responsible for overworking and understaffing the ODU police.

There is this thing called a budget. The budger determines how much each department (like say, police) get each year. City Council votes on the budget. The City Council can increase or decrease a department's budget and can express to the City Manager if they have concerns regarding the operations of a department.

ODU police aren't under Norfolk's budget. And they are the force that is understaffed and overworked.

Most (if not all) of the attacks have occurred off campus, which is under the jurisdiction of Norfolk Police. ODU officials are very quick to point that out when a crime occurs. And if you ask any Norfolk cop, they will tell you that their department is underfunded.

How many city employees anywhere are going to tell you they are overfunded or even funded at the correct level? None. In addition, ODU is responsible for the safety of its students. The city of Norfolk has and will continue to partner with ODU and their police force. However, they can do nothing about a police chief who is in over her head.

http://hamptonroads.com/2015/02/odu-poli...oor-morale
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(07-13-2015 09:32 AM)paintedblue2 Wrote:  
(07-10-2015 08:21 AM)reagan Wrote:  As someone who lived in Norfolk for close to forty years, I will vote for anyone but Fraim. He is only concerned about downtown and the Ghent area. The rest of the city has gone down the tubes.

Military Circle was once the premier shopping mall and now is ready to close. All over the rest of city the roads are terrible, the schools worse, crime on the upswing and the taxes just keep going up and up. But the worst thing is his support for the light rail. Light rail has bled and continues to bleed vast amounts of money just so his developer buddies can get rich and he can get in front of the camera and get his name on a bronze plaque. Light rail does nothing to lessen traffic and the ridership numbers are inflated because so many get to ride for "free". Of course, it is not free as taxpayers are forced to pay. For example, our water rates increase every year. But the City raids the revenues from the water fund to pay of other city services like Light Rail. There are many ways that Norfolk bleeds its citizens, especially the ones who own their homes. I can't wait to move out of Norfolk.

You seem to be a curmudgeon who is trying his best to stir the pot and bring up topics (such as your opinion of Obama's performance) which have nothing to ido with the op.

Here are some statements refuting your's.

1. Downtown and Ghent are receiving all benefits and the rest of the city is going down the tubes.

Wards Corner, Riverview, Ocean View, just to name three, are all areas of the city which have received both city and private inveatment on Fraim's watch, and are doing quite well as campared to when he first took office.

2. "Military circle was once the premier shopping mall."

03-lmfao
Very debatable, and if so it was not even close to that at the time Fraim was first sworn in.

3. "Because so many get to ride (the Tide) for "free."

Large numbers of people do not ride the Tide free. I have ridden the Tide and have witnessed, more than once, people being ticketed, and removed because they had nit paid their fare. The fine is pretty steep, and the NPD does a good job of weeding out scofflaws. You, among many others, never account for the fact that the current configuration of the Tide; with a termini at Newtown Rd. and at Colley Ave. is a starter line, and ridership numbers are therefore much lower then they will be when the line reaches into more heavily populated areas like VB, and large employment destinations like NOB.

4. The city raids the "water fund" to pay off light rail.

Could you please substantiate this assertion.

You state that River View, Wards Corner are doing quite well under Friam's watch. Please provide substantiation. Real estate assessments and business revenues will suffice.
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(07-13-2015 10:35 AM)reagan Wrote:  
(07-13-2015 09:32 AM)paintedblue2 Wrote:  
(07-10-2015 08:21 AM)reagan Wrote:  As someone who lived in Norfolk for close to forty years, I will vote for anyone but Fraim. He is only concerned about downtown and the Ghent area. The rest of the city has gone down the tubes.

Military Circle was once the premier shopping mall and now is ready to close. All over the rest of city the roads are terrible, the schools worse, crime on the upswing and the taxes just keep going up and up. But the worst thing is his support for the light rail. Light rail has bled and continues to bleed vast amounts of money just so his developer buddies can get rich and he can get in front of the camera and get his name on a bronze plaque. Light rail does nothing to lessen traffic and the ridership numbers are inflated because so many get to ride for "free". Of course, it is not free as taxpayers are forced to pay. For example, our water rates increase every year. But the City raids the revenues from the water fund to pay of other city services like Light Rail. There are many ways that Norfolk bleeds its citizens, especially the ones who own their homes. I can't wait to move out of Norfolk.

You seem to be a curmudgeon who is trying his best to stir the pot and bring up topics (such as your opinion of Obama's performance) which have nothing to ido with the op.

Here are some statements refuting your's.

1. Downtown and Ghent are receiving all benefits and the rest of the city is going down the tubes.

Wards Corner, Riverview, Ocean View, just to name three, are all areas of the city which have received both city and private inveatment on Fraim's watch, and are doing quite well as campared to when he first took office.

2. "Military circle was once the premier shopping mall."

:lmfao:
Very debatable, and if so it was not even close to that at the time Fraim was first sworn in.

3. "Because so many get to ride (the Tide) for "free."

Large numbers of people do not ride the Tide free. I have ridden the Tide and have witnessed, more than once, people being ticketed, and removed because they had nit paid their fare. The fine is pretty steep, and the NPD does a good job of weeding out scofflaws. You, among many others, never account for the fact that the current configuration of the Tide; with a termini at Newtown Rd. and at Colley Ave. is a starter line, and ridership numbers are therefore much lower then they will be when the line reaches into more heavily populated areas like VB, and large employment destinations like NOB.

4. The city raids the "water fund" to pay off light rail.

Could you please substantiate this assertion.

You state that River View, Wards Corner are doing quite well under Friam's watch. Please provide substantiation. Real estate assessments and business revenues will suffice.

To understand if Wards Corner has improved of late, all one has to do is drive down Little Creek and Granby. New Harris Teeter, new Towne Bank, new Sam's Club, new everything. Riverview has seen new investment in restaurants like Umo and Charlie's. The Riverview theater is on the verge of being brought back to life. And the Stuart school is about to be reborn as apartments. Restaurants filling the formerly vacant spots on North Colley (Chow, LeGrand, Cogans North, Dirty Buffalo, Lou's) , show investment is occuring in Norfolk outside of downtown and Ghent.

Again, all one has to do is drive around these areas to see the positive change that has occurred in the last few years.
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My substantiation is my eyesight. I have lived here for 52+ years and I know the differences. The city is investing in many infrastructure projects in other areas of the city than downtown and Ghent. Pump stations and sewage upgrades in OV, overhauled interchanges on Tidewater Dr. and Military Hwy., Wards Corner improvements, the new bridge on EOV (near East Beach), etc. which are resulting in major private investments and increasing property values, and quality of life.

I have now wasted more time on you and your opinions than either warrant. Take care.
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(07-13-2015 10:27 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(07-13-2015 09:31 AM)reagan Wrote:  
(07-13-2015 08:57 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(07-13-2015 08:44 AM)reagan Wrote:  
(07-13-2015 08:20 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  How is Fraim responsible for ODU students getting robbed?
That is on the individual committing the crime, the campus police, the Norfolk police, Rhonda Harris and (ultimately) Pres. Broderick. They are the ones responsible for keeping the campus safe. Fraim isn't responsible for overworking and understaffing the ODU police.

There is this thing called a budget. The budger determines how much each department (like say, police) get each year. City Council votes on the budget. The City Council can increase or decrease a department's budget and can express to the City Manager if they have concerns regarding the operations of a department.

ODU police aren't under Norfolk's budget. And they are the force that is understaffed and overworked.

Most (if not all) of the attacks have occurred off campus, which is under the jurisdiction of Norfolk Police. ODU officials are very quick to point that out when a crime occurs. And if you ask any Norfolk cop, they will tell you that their department is underfunded.

How many city employees anywhere are going to tell you they are overfunded or even funded at the correct level? None. In addition, ODU is responsible for the safety of its students. The city of Norfolk has and will continue to partner with ODU and their police force. However, they can do nothing about a police chief who is in over her head.

http://hamptonroads.com/2015/02/odu-poli...oor-morale

How many employees, public or private, are going to tell you that they are overfunded or even funded at the "correct" level? The City is also responsible for the safety of ODU students. It cannot leave its responsibilities for the safety of ODU students entirely with ODU. That is why when a crime is committed against an ODU student near campus, the local news media takes it up with both. But you seem to want to have it both ways. If Fraim is responsible for all the good things (and there have been some good things) then he must be held accountable for the bad as well. Yet no one on this board will even acknowledge some of the things that have gone wrong under his watch. Waterside and Granby Towers are two more that come to mind. Are you related to him?
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There's really only one way to resolve this -- a McCabe v. Fraim free-throw shoot off at the last ODU men's or women's home basketball game before the election. Winner gets my vote.
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(07-13-2015 10:13 AM)reagan Wrote:  3.ODU, TCC, Norfolk State, Norfolk City employees, Norfolk Public School employees and other various agencies are given free passes. I know, I used to have one. Other businesses are provided tickets to at vastly reduced rates to keep the ridership numbers looking good.

http://gopass365.com/about/

You do realize that ODU, TCC, NSU, and the City of Norfolk (along with other employers) paid for that perk right? It is not the epic freebie you are making it out to be.
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(07-13-2015 12:15 PM)ODU2K1 Wrote:  
(07-13-2015 10:13 AM)reagan Wrote:  3.ODU, TCC, Norfolk State, Norfolk City employees, Norfolk Public School employees and other various agencies are given free passes. I know, I used to have one. Other businesses are provided tickets to at vastly reduced rates to keep the ridership numbers looking good.

http://gopass365.com/about/

You do realize that ODU, TCC, NSU, and the City of Norfolk (along with other employers) paid for that perk right? It is not the epic freebie you are making it out to be.

Norfolk City and school employees did not pay for the perk. Nothing was deducted from their paychecks. City officials gave it to them, because, well, they already built the light rail and what the hell?
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(07-13-2015 12:15 PM)ODU2K1 Wrote:  
(07-13-2015 10:13 AM)reagan Wrote:  3.ODU, TCC, Norfolk State, Norfolk City employees, Norfolk Public School employees and other various agencies are given free passes. I know, I used to have one. Other businesses are provided tickets to at vastly reduced rates to keep the ridership numbers looking good.

http://gopass365.com/about/

You do realize that ODU, TCC, NSU, and the City of Norfolk (along with other employers) paid for that perk right? It is not the epic freebie you are making it out to be.

You are making my point! Fraim wants light rail to be perceived as a success by pointing to the number of riders. To increase ridership, he is willing to use tax payer dollars to buy tickets to a tax payer paid light rail for tax payer paid public employees.
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Guys-

I do not see anything over the line here, sans some emotion resulting in some minor personal slights. However, as a rule, we do not facilitate political discussions on this main Board. I am going to move this to the Off-Topic Forum just to be consistent. Same posting rules apply, so please be careful of turning political discussion into personal attacks. Thanks.
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