(07-09-2015 10:38 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 10:16 AM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  If Oklahoma leaves (and I don't pretend to understand all the implications of the grant of rights) what keeps Texas in the conference? Without Texas and Oklahoma, would a Big 12 leftover / Best of the Rest be able to attract BYU or Boise St?

Absolutely. Keep in mind that as long as the Big XII continues to exist in some form it will (presumably) have all of the benefits of being a P5 conference. So even if it's only for a few years, I think ANY G5 team would jump at a "Big 12 leftover" invitation. Better a short term job that pays $25 million/year for 10 years than a long-term job that pays $5 million/year... and who knows what happens in 10 years?

I doubt they'll keep the conference as a power conference and $25 million/year. The G5 would be G6. They may be able to keep a somewhat better TV contract, but as BSU found out with the Big East...things fall apart fast and TV numbers slide dramatically.

(07-09-2015 10:38 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 10:16 AM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  If Oklahoma leaves (and I don't pretend to understand all the implications of the grant of rights) what keeps Texas in the conference? Without Texas and Oklahoma, would a Big 12 leftover / Best of the Rest be able to attract BYU or Boise St?

Absolutely. Keep in mind that as long as the Big XII continues to exist in some form it will (presumably) have all of the benefits of being a P5 conference. So even if it's only for a few years, I think ANY G5 team would jump at a "Big 12 leftover" invitation. Better a short term job that pays $25 million/year for 10 years than a long-term job that pays $5 million/year... and who knows what happens in 10 years?

Agreed. Plus a Big 12 that has the 12 or 14 or even 15 best of the rest schools may prove worthy enough on the field to hang around beyond that. A conference with say BYU, Boise, Kansas State, Okie State, Texas Tech, Iowa State, WVU, TCU, Cincy, UConn, UCF, ECU, Fresno and UNLV could prove formidable enough to be at least in a situation like the old Big East where they're guaranteed an Access Bowl slot. Maybe its 15 and you've brought aboard San Diego State or Colorado State as well. Different scenario as the Rose, Orange and Sugar have locked matchups (in this scenario the Sugar would release the Big 12 and have an open slot), but a rotation of the Fiesta, Cotton, the Sugar's open slot and the Peach could provide a guaranteed Access Bowl slot to them.

For something like basketball divide into 3 pods for scheduling:
West - BYU, Boise, Fresno, UNLV, San Diego State
Central - K-State, Okie State, Iowa State, Texas Tech, TCU
East - Cincy, WVU, UConn, ECU, UCF

Play everyone in your "pod" double round-robin for 8 games. Then 10 games against everyone else, 5 home and 5 away. This would limit the cross-country travel somewhat in basketball and other such sports. Baseball a similar approach can be used to limit cross-country travel.

If OU and the SEC are talking, then OU and the Big 10 are probably talking too.

Maybe OU wants to leave. Or maybe OU wants to lend credibility to their threats to leave if the Big 12 doesn't expand.

Either way, OU is not messing around. And the Big 12 is playing with fire.

(07-09-2015 03:44 AM)goofus Wrote:  All this "smoke" is starting to feel a lot like all that nonsense a couple years ago about Florida State leaving the ACC.

Even if its true that they are talking, its all going to lead to nothing and nobody going nowhere.

At least FSU wasn't bound by a 10 year GOR. So something actually could have happened before the smoke cleared...and a new forest grew and it burned again.

(07-09-2015 10:33 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 10:31 AM)YNot Wrote:  http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/showthr...t-up-a-bit

So, a post that intentionally "stirs it up a bit" and admits that it is a hypothetical is the uncited source. Yay!

No - it came from Landthieves.

Here's the take from the imminently reasonable SoonerLawyer29:

"Big 12 break-up rumors running rampant over at LandThieves. Some of it from posters who aren't crazy."

Kind of like those WV posters who were almost all firmly convinced they were on their way to the SEC despite all evidence Missouri was going instead. Not all of them were crazy.

(07-09-2015 10:33 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 10:31 AM)YNot Wrote:  http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/showthr...t-up-a-bit

So, a post that intentionally "stirs it up a bit" and admits that it is a hypothetical is the uncited source. Yay!

No - it came from Landthieves.

Here's the take from the imminently reasonable SoonerLawyer29:

"Big 12 break-up rumors running rampant over at LandThieves. Some of it from posters who aren't crazy."

As noted, the information is coming from a different, more reliable source. The trick is to distinguish between agenda-driven propaganda spreaders and the truthtellers.

While this is about Oklahoma, the implications spread far and wide. Of note, supposedly a Baylor insider is lending credence to the Oklahoma position,so this isn't being contained.

Not a lot of equivocation in this post:

Today 11:21
awr90

"MU board member tell me OU and SEC have an offer outlined yesterday....planes flying from Norman to SEC land= ***** going down."[/align]

(07-09-2015 11:06 AM)BE4evah Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 10:33 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 10:31 AM)YNot Wrote:  http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/showthr...t-up-a-bit

So, a post that intentionally "stirs it up a bit" and admits that it is a hypothetical is the uncited source. Yay!

No - it came from Landthieves.

Here's the take from the imminently reasonable SoonerLawyer29:

"Big 12 break-up rumors running rampant over at LandThieves. Some of it from posters who aren't crazy."

As noted, the information is coming from a different, more reliable source. The trick is to distinguish between agenda-driven propaganda spreaders and the truthtellers.

While this is about Oklahoma, the implications spread far and wide. Of note, supposedly a Baylor insider is lending credence to the Oklahoma position,so this isn't being contained.

Which one and got a link? I haven't seen any of our guys saying this

(07-09-2015 10:38 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 10:16 AM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  If Oklahoma leaves (and I don't pretend to understand all the implications of the grant of rights) what keeps Texas in the conference? Without Texas and Oklahoma, would a Big 12 leftover / Best of the Rest be able to attract BYU or Boise St?

Absolutely. Keep in mind that as long as the Big XII continues to exist in some form it will (presumably) have all of the benefits of being a P5 conference. So even if it's only for a few years, I think ANY G5 team would jump at a "Big 12 leftover" invitation. Better a short term job that pays $25 million/year for 10 years than a long-term job that pays $5 million/year... and who knows what happens in 10 years?

I still think OU and OSU will continue on in the B12 into the next decade.

However, if OU were to leave for either the SEC or the B1G, I am not sure I agree with what you state above.

What makes the P5 the P5 is that they have NYD bowls outside of the committee's jurisdiction - Rose, Sugar, and Orange - when those bowls are not part of the CFP.

Does the Sugar have to maintain the B12 connection without OU contractually? That is the real question to me.

Cheers,
Neil

(07-09-2015 10:38 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 10:16 AM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  If Oklahoma leaves (and I don't pretend to understand all the implications of the grant of rights) what keeps Texas in the conference? Without Texas and Oklahoma, would a Big 12 leftover / Best of the Rest be able to attract BYU or Boise St?

Absolutely. Keep in mind that as long as the Big XII continues to exist in some form it will (presumably) have all of the benefits of being a P5 conference. So even if it's only for a few years, I think ANY G5 team would jump at a "Big 12 leftover" invitation. Better a short term job that pays $25 million/year for 10 years than a long-term job that pays $5 million/year... and who knows what happens in 10 years?

If Texas and Oklahoma are gone, WVU's voice and power within the Big 12 will only increase - which means that the Big 12 would look at the AAC candidates first.

I do think the Big 12 would be foolish not to seriously consider BYU and Boise St. for expansion. Still, I'm not convinced that the BYU decision-makers would jump at the opportunity. They might look to remain independent and align more with Texas, Notre Dame, and the ACC. Personally, my first instinct is to take the Big 12 affiliation if it's there, even if Oklahoma and Texas are gone. But, I haven't completely wrapped my head around either scenario yet.

Man, if this really happens, and someone other than the PAC lands OU, it will be the biggest blunder since the Big East turned down Penn State.

(07-09-2015 04:10 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Man, if this really happens, and someone other than the PAC lands OU, it will be the biggest blunder since the Big East turned down Penn State.

Anyone tracking private flights out of the Bay Area towards Oklahoma? Larry Scott could still make a splash with OU and friends - and the FOX connection with the P12 and B12 could help smooth over negotiations....

(07-09-2015 04:17 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 04:10 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Man, if this really happens, and someone other than the PAC lands OU, it will be the biggest blunder since the Big East turned down Penn State.

Anyone tracking private flights out of the Bay Area towards Oklahoma? Larry Scott could still make a splash with OU and friends - and the FOX connection with the P12 and B12 could help smooth over negotiations....

Seriously...I can't help but think this is Oklahoma doing things to get Larry back to the table, if legit.

(07-09-2015 04:19 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 04:17 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 04:10 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Man, if this really happens, and someone other than the PAC lands OU, it will be the biggest blunder since the Big East turned down Penn State.

Anyone tracking private flights out of the Bay Area towards Oklahoma? Larry Scott could still make a splash with OU and friends - and the FOX connection with the P12 and B12 could help smooth over negotiations....

Seriously...I can't help but think this is Oklahoma doing things to get Larry back to the table, if legit.

Although, I do question whether Sooner Nation gets more excited about playing Nebraska, Iowa, and Wisconsin versus Arkansas, A&M, LSU, and Missouri versus Arizona, Colorado, and USC? My guess is that a move to the SEC is the only move that Oklahoma would make without bringing along some Lonestar-state friends.

(07-09-2015 04:47 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  It could be a control leak to see what Texas will do. Losing the top Big 12 schools of Missouri, Texas A&M and Nebraska hurt the conference. Losing Oklahoma and Kansas will kill Big 12 for sure.

What Texas will do is hold a The Bachelor style contest where the B1G, P12, and ACC jump through hoops to see which conference Texas wants to join.

I wonder if Texas could make a deal with the PAC that it will go to the PAC, but it has to take all the Big 12 Orphans as part of the deal, but the Orphans can also be free to go to another conference if they want.

For example, Oklahoma and Kansas sign a deal with the Big Ten-16, WV + Baylor to ACC-16, TCU + OkSU to SEC-16.

So the PAC-16 would have to take Tex, TT, KSU, and ISU.

(07-09-2015 01:02 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  Who is saying something?

Miko

(07-09-2015 04:52 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  I see "BE4Evah" has branched out. All you B12 fans are in for a treat!

You have to expand your brand or wither on the vine.

Maybe Texas wants the B12 mortally wounded by OU leaving, so it can say it wasn't there doing and look like the bad guy, sorry fella's we tried to make it work, but.

(07-09-2015 04:54 PM)goofus Wrote:  I wonder if Texas could make a deal with the PAC that it will go to the PAC, but it has to take all the Big 12 Orphans as part of the deal, but the Orphans can also be free to go to another conference if they want.

For example, Oklahoma and Kansas sign a deal with the Big Ten-16, WV + Baylor to ACC-16, TCU + OkSU to SEC-16.

So the PAC-16 would have to take Tex, TT, KSU, and ISU.

What happens if there are more Big Orphans than you give credit for? Just grow to the PAC 20? I don't think the ACC and SEC are all that interested in the Big Orphans.

And, wouldn't UT want to select who its carry-over partners are? For instance, they might prefer TCU and Baylor as part of the PAC rather than further competing for Texas recruits with the ACC and SEC.