(07-14-2015 12:51 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

Quote:According to the US Criminal Code, the buying or selling human body parts is a federal felony. The commercial traffic of body parts from an aborted baby is punishable by up to 10 years in prison and/or a fine of up to $500,000.

Fact: The decision to abort the pregnancy was made by the mother. Regardless of your opinion or beliefs there is no legal issue here.

Fact: The "mother" gave her signed informed consent allowing the tissue to be used for research. The law would only be broken if they did this without her permission.

Fact:While selling of body parts is illegal, reasonable cost recovery for the collection, processing, storage and linked clinical, demographic and related data for research is legal.

Other than highly edited, illegal "gotcha-moment" candid camera video....exactly what laws were broken?

BTW...I am a pro life in the values I teach my family but I also believe that Americans should have the right to make their own decisions.

So you buy the bs "highly edited" too.

The videos in their entirety are available.

(08-01-2015 09:40 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-01-2015 09:00 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Liars, everyone of these feckless idiots.

Yeah tell me about it. Secretly recording a conversation in a state where it is illegal to do so without the consent of all parties involved. Obtaining information that was given to them only after signing a non-disclosure agreement. Publishing said information despite a court order saying not to do so. Selectively editing the videos to put things in the worst context possible.
I'm glad you agree. Where is the f**king honesty with these guys?

What part of all that alters the substance of what was said?

(08-01-2015 05:57 PM)Paul M Wrote:  So you buy the bs "highly edited" too.

The videos in their entirety are available.

Edited or not....the facts are clear and the right's spin just shows a clear misunderstanding for the law.

(08-01-2015 06:15 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(08-01-2015 05:57 PM)Paul M Wrote:  So you buy the bs "highly edited" too.

The videos in their entirety are available.

Edited or not....the facts are clear and the right's spin just shows a clear misunderstanding for the law.

Difference between you and me is i dont care what the law says. This sickening practice should be illegal. I still think we'll see that laws were in fact broken.

(08-01-2015 05:46 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 12:51 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

Quote:According to the US Criminal Code, the buying or selling human body parts is a federal felony. The commercial traffic of body parts from an aborted baby is punishable by up to 10 years in prison and/or a fine of up to $500,000.

Fact: The decision to abort the pregnancy was made by the mother. Regardless of your opinion or beliefs there is no legal issue here.

Fact: The "mother" gave her signed informed consent allowing the tissue to be used for research. The law would only be broken if they did this without her permission.

Fact:While selling of body parts is illegal, reasonable cost recovery for the collection, processing, storage and linked clinical, demographic and related data for research is legal.

Other than highly edited, illegal "gotcha-moment" candid camera video....exactly what laws were broken?

BTW...I am a pro life in the values I teach my family but I also believe that Americans should have the right to make their own decisions.

Fact: If you are only interested in reasonable cost recovery for the collection, processing, storage and linked clinical, demographic and related data your conversation wont include these gems..

“I want a Lamborghini”
“You know, in negotiations whoever throws out the figure first is at a loss, right?”
“I don’t want to lowball, because I’m used to low things, $75 a specimen.”

If she was truly within the law she would have said this is what it costs us to do this work so we expect x per specimen.

If I volunteer at my kids school and they ask me how much it would cost for me to give a computer to them I would open up the Best Buy catalog and say "which one".. Thats what I would charge them...

If I am running a business I will look at what others in the market are doing and find the right place on the supply / demand curve.

They were / are selling baby parts for profit.

(08-01-2015 06:15 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(08-01-2015 05:57 PM)Paul M Wrote:  So you buy the bs "highly edited" too.

The videos in their entirety are available.

Edited or not....the facts are clear and the right's spin just shows a clear misunderstanding for the law.

You should probably watch the unedited 2+ hour videos before speaking any more on the subject.

(08-01-2015 07:07 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-01-2015 06:15 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(08-01-2015 05:57 PM)Paul M Wrote:  So you buy the bs "highly edited" too.

The videos in their entirety are available.

Edited or not....the facts are clear and the right's spin just shows a clear misunderstanding for the law.

Difference between you and me is i dont care what the law says. This sickening practice should be illegal.

is their really a difference?

Bible says Shall not kill....yet we find ways around God's law to some how rationalize what we believe and what kind of killing get's around his ire. Right?

Hardly a new argument...but my point is that the faux election time outrage is based on all hype and no substance where no laws have been broken.

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(08-01-2015 07:13 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(08-01-2015 07:07 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-01-2015 06:15 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(08-01-2015 05:57 PM)Paul M Wrote:  So you buy the bs "highly edited" too.

The videos in their entirety are available.

Edited or not....the facts are clear and the right's spin just shows a clear misunderstanding for the law.

Difference between you and me is i dont care what the law says. This sickening practice should be illegal.

is their really a difference?

Bible says Shall not kill....yet we find ways around God's law to some how rationalize what we believe and what kind of killing get's around his ire. Right?

Hardly a new argument...but my point is that the faux election time outrage is based on all hype and no substance where no laws have been broken.

Sigh. In the original Hebrew that verse says "thou shall not murder." The word Retzach is what the Hebrew is used in the original text in place of kill Basically meany to kill without reason. Google it.

The Bible goes on to speak on murder and capital punishment plenty of times. It's wrong to take innocent life, period. Children are innocent.

(08-01-2015 07:13 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(08-01-2015 07:07 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-01-2015 06:15 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(08-01-2015 05:57 PM)Paul M Wrote:  So you buy the bs "highly edited" too.

The videos in their entirety are available.

Edited or not....the facts are clear and the right's spin just shows a clear misunderstanding for the law.

Difference between you and me is i dont care what the law says. This sickening practice should be illegal.

is their really a difference?

Bible says Shall not kill....yet we find ways around God's law to some how rationalize what we believe and what kind of killing get's around his ire. Right?

Hardly a new argument...but my point is that the faux election time outrage is based on all hype and no substance where no laws have been broken.

You really want to make such definitive statements without all the facts out yet? Still more tapes. And upcoming investigations. You just another who dismisses the videos out of hand, as though those conversations never happened?

(08-01-2015 07:13 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(08-01-2015 07:07 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-01-2015 06:15 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(08-01-2015 05:57 PM)Paul M Wrote:  So you buy the bs "highly edited" too.

The videos in their entirety are available.

Edited or not....the facts are clear and the right's spin just shows a clear misunderstanding for the law.

Difference between you and me is i dont care what the law says. This sickening practice should be illegal.

is their really a difference?

Bible says Shall not kill....yet we find ways around God's law to some how rationalize what we believe and what kind of killing get's around his ire. Right?

fun fact:

The "kill" which is put in the Bible is רָצַח (ratsach) which literally means "murder" not "kill"... It's why the ten commandments are followed by a lot of other laws and penalties. Some of those penalties were of course death.

You're wasting your time with these Libtards. They have more sympathy for a lion than they do a human fetus.